Guns in the movies: you gotta be kidding.
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Missourigunner
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Guns in Movies
Sorta like the "AK-47's" in the First Shootout scene in S.W.A.T when the 2 Phony Police Officers release Alex off the Bus.
Sorta like the "AK-47's" in the First Shootout scene in S.W.A.T when the 2 Phony Police Officers release Alex off the Bus.
red_devil1469
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Johnny Dangerously.
Punkermonkey
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Matrix - First movie
Remember the shoot out in the lobby of the office building with Neo and Trinity. Neo is firing 2 Tec-9's at the guards. It's in slow motion and brass are falling to the ground. .223 brass...... from a Tec-9....
Remember the shoot out in the lobby of the office building with Neo and Trinity. Neo is firing 2 Tec-9's at the guards. It's in slow motion and brass are falling to the ground. .223 brass...... from a Tec-9....
heypete
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Punkermonkey -- I thought they were Skorpions? Either way, definitely the wrong casings.
jobu07
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Interesting... But, even cheesier is the first XXX. If you watch, you'll notice that his "rocket launcher" is naught more than a sony camcorder with a bunch of stuff glued onto it!
Punkermonkey
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Heypete - you are probably right!
Eightball
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A slightly different point....
Has anyone ever noticed how hollywood also doesn't care about historical accuracies? In most any movie set outside of the present day, they seem to love using anachronisms. In westerns, its easy to pick out the 1873 Colts, especially in movies set pre-1873. Though, since the general point seems to be the whole "hollywood makes any movie do anything" kinda thing.......is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that there is basically*never*recoil to anything? even the pitifully undertrained housewife in horror films can fire the prerequisite shotgun into the required zombie/mutant/thief/whatever, held out from the hip, with a very loose grip, and always perfectly hit whatever she was aiming at. No recoil, no "wow, that kicked more than the movies i've watched seem to make things kick" . And dont even get me started on false weapon IDs......... Makes me want to 
at the prop guy responsible for it all.
Has anyone ever noticed how hollywood also doesn't care about historical accuracies? In most any movie set outside of the present day, they seem to love using anachronisms. In westerns, its easy to pick out the 1873 Colts, especially in movies set pre-1873. Though, since the general point seems to be the whole "hollywood makes any movie do anything" kinda thing.......is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that there is basically*never*recoil to anything? even the pitifully undertrained housewife in horror films can fire the prerequisite shotgun into the required zombie/mutant/thief/whatever, held out from the hip, with a very loose grip, and always perfectly hit whatever she was aiming at. No recoil, no "wow, that kicked more than the movies i've watched seem to make things kick"
. And dont even get me started on false weapon IDs......... Makes me want to at the prop guy responsible for it all.BlackCat
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Justin
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Could also be that the scene was shot with a wide-angle lens.
No matter how screwed up the internal politicking of the film biz is, at the end of the day, it's still a business. If everyone involved in making a film went to all of the greatest lengths to ensure the absolute, beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt historical accuracy of a movie, you'd have a massive historical epic so bloated and inaccessible that hardly anyone would go see it. That is, of course, assuming that it would even be possible to secure financing for the thing in the first place. The perfect example would be the attempt Stanley Kubrick made to produce a historically accurate epic about Napoleon. He got so bogged down in minutae and detail that the movie never made it past an initial screenplay.
Going to a movie theater and expecting a history lesson is like going to the Indy 500 and expecting to learn how to drive on the street.
Stevie-Ray
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Obviously you don't remember Mattie firing the Colt Dragoon in True Grit.
Normally, you're right. I even remember ultra bad guy Lance Henricksen in an absolutely pitiful piece of garbage (so forgettable the name escapes me) where he is using a T/C Contender in .45-70. Even shooting it one-handed at times.
para.2
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Glenn:
They should be "concussion grenades" or Flash-bangs, or flash/crash, etc.
They should be "concussion grenades" or Flash-bangs, or flash/crash, etc.
jason10mm
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Will Smith demonstrated some nice recoil FROM AN ENERGY WEAPON in "Men in Black"!
With the new love of FX muzzle flashes and impacts (added in post-production so they don't have to use blanks or stunt men AT ALL) I expect a new low in weapon skills for most Hollywood pics. If the director doesn't have to use blanks, then he won't have to have stuntmen (because the regular actors can mimic a fight), which means he won't have to have a firearms trainer either, just a propsman with lots of rubber guns. The only movies that will have decent handleing will be ones with a director who cares, and there are about 3 of them working ATM. Michael Mann, perhaps James Cameron [if he ever does another movie], and the director of "Way of the Gun" [McQuarry? if he ever does another movie].
With the new love of FX muzzle flashes and impacts (added in post-production so they don't have to use blanks or stunt men AT ALL) I expect a new low in weapon skills for most Hollywood pics. If the director doesn't have to use blanks, then he won't have to have stuntmen (because the regular actors can mimic a fight), which means he won't have to have a firearms trainer either, just a propsman with lots of rubber guns. The only movies that will have decent handleing will be ones with a director who cares, and there are about 3 of them working ATM. Michael Mann, perhaps James Cameron [if he ever does another movie], and the director of "Way of the Gun" [McQuarry? if he ever does another movie].
Justin
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This is another one that always causes my eyes to loll back about 180 degrees.
Basic Newtonian physics. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Since there are no bullets in a blank cartridge, there is no recoil when the blank-adapted firearm is fired.
You could, of course, tell the actor to fake like there's recoil, but that usually looks even worse on screen.
Oh, and Steven Seagal should never be allowed near another movie set ever again. His movies are utter dreck.
As far as I am aware, they often may be called concussion grenades but, they have also long been referred to as percussion grenades, that is if you are talking about flash/bangs. The bang part is indicative of the word percussion. Note they are called flash/bangs not flash/knocks! The word percussion is often used in place of the word concussion because of the less likely inflamatory nature of the word percussion as opposed to concussion. Concussion implies someone or something being slammed, knocked into with force, or injured whereas percussion indicates sound in this case would be indicative of sound. This way their use is more amenable to the politicians, the press and the public.
Of course, there is another type of percussion grenade, one that was ignited by way of percussing the primer. I don't know if any modern grenades are ignited this way but some old timers were set off with what sort of amounted to a percussion cap.
All the best,
Glenn B
Of course, there is another type of percussion grenade, one that was ignited by way of percussing the primer. I don't know if any modern grenades are ignited this way but some old timers were set off with what sort of amounted to a percussion cap.
All the best,
Glenn B
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Hard Target.
Pretty sure those were Skorpions.
Clint Eastwood usually made a point to fake the recoil in his Dirty Harry movies. But generally, yeah, 9's shoot like 22's in movies.
KriegHund
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Their was some wierd movie about southern horse thieves. They were tkaen into the desert and shot at.
One of the mexican police officers had a revolver. After his six or eight shots were up he continued to fire the gun and fake a recoil.
One of the mexican police officers had a revolver. After his six or eight shots were up he continued to fire the gun and fake a recoil.
BluesBear
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As for the term percussion grenade. It's actually an old term dating back to the beginnings of grenades. A true percussion grenade is simply a grenade that explodes on impact instead of relying on a fuse or other timing device.
If you correct the aspect ratio in that T2 photo in post #59 the mag tube/barrel porportions seems much more realistic.
Of course something as simple as using the incorrect barrel/mag clamp could cause the extension to become askew.
If you correct the aspect ratio in that T2 photo in post #59 the mag tube/barrel porportions seems much more realistic.
Of course something as simple as using the incorrect barrel/mag clamp could cause the extension to become askew.
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Twycross
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I liked the scene in 'Shark Attack 2' (not that I liked the movie) where the Glock (of unknown caliber) is claimed to have an effective range of 20 meters underwater. Said Glock later blows a hole completely through a mammoth Great White shark's head, killing it instantly. This is after a shotgun fails to even slow it.
CAS700850
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Ever see the movie "Lone Wolf McQuade"? I swaer that there is a scene in the movie where Chuck Norris points a Smith 29 (nickle plated) at the head of the dwarf/crime lord with a cocked hammer. When he goes to put the gun away, I swear I saw the hammer fall, like he pulled the trigger on an unloaded gun. Anyone else ever notice this? Too bad I have it on tape. On DVD, I could do a frame by frame with a clear picture to be sure.
bigun15
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I saw Mr. and Mrs. Smith also. If percussion is what you say it is (explode on impact) then the movie would be BS and here's why. Pitt was asking her how she didn't hear him arrive via helicopter to some kind of anniversary or something and she said a percussion grenade went off next to her head. So what she should have said was flashbang, because if a grenade blew up next to your head, you no longer have a head. But the part I thought was funny in that movie is Jolie was fighting Pitt in the house, and she has a silenced MP5 in one hand and a shotgun in the other. I acutally laughed at that scene.
peacefuljeffrey
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Greaaaat...
All we need now is movies that appeal to homies, telling homies that there are better, more accurate ways to shoot.
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