Has anyone (or 'why hasn't anyone') applied a Glock or DAO trigger to a long gun?

[Skribs]

I think you should read and learn more about how the various types of firearms work

If you knew me, you'd be laughing at your own joke. As far as I'm concerned, pulling the trigger signals a magic fairy to shoot exploding dust at the primer*. Hence why I was asking if the problem was mechanical, popularity, or some other reason. I figured out that other reason, though

*I know that's not how it works. But I am terrible with mechanical objects, and in DIY stuff I am generally the person handing tools to the person who is actually doing it.

 

[ugaarguy]

The difference is that absent a trigger pull, the Glock will not fire.

Neither will an AR15.

I'm sorry, but AR-15s are not drop safe.

 

[Owen Sparks]

There is a lot of difference in the long heavy double action trigger pull of a revolver and that of a Glock.

 

[Robert]

I have never been ok with the trigger, either the pull weight or some hinky gizmo mounted on it, being part of the "safety" of a firearm. My finger will not touch the trigger until I am ready to shoot. And when it does I want a nice clean crisp break, not something that feels like dragging a dead mule through mud.

 

[Captain Brown Beard]

What shotgun is that, and is it available in the United States? Double action trigger or not, I really like the look of that one.

It's a Russian MTs-255. I don't know if anybody imports them, but they come in all gauges from 12-.410.

 

[JohnBT]

"There is a lot of difference in the long heavy double action trigger pull of a revolver and that of a Glock."

Of course there is. Let's put a 5.5 pound Glock-style trigger on a shotgun. Of course you might as well just go ahead and use the regular 5.0 pound shotgun trigger and leave the safety off while you walk around waiting to snag the trigger on something.

I've never known anybody who actually dropped a shotgun or even knocked one over. Now, one of my great-uncles pulled his Winchester 97 from behind the seat of his pickup and snagged the trigger, but all he did was blow a bigger hole in the rusty side of the truck, but he never dropped it. The safety on that old 97 was a bit iffy as it turned out, but a Glock-style trigger wouldn't have made a difference. Lesson one, don't pull the gun by the barrel.

John

 

[EddieNFL]

I carry an "obsolete" 1911.

You can probably guess my postion on manual safeties and proper training...

We've become a nation of "dependers." We depend on our cars to protect us if we crash while texting (most recently, we want them to park without our assistance). Now we want our firearms to prevent negligent discharges.

but whether or not the safety is on is just one extra thing to remember. Just like whether or not there's one in the chamber.

Like remembering to draw or pull the trigger?

I never "remember" to disengage the safety...it's built into the presentation.

 

[Skribs]

Now we want our firearms to prevent negligent discharges.

All firearms do their part to prevent NDs. Do they make single action autoloaders without a manual safety? It's just that different firearms protect from NDs in different ways.

Like remembering to draw or pull the trigger?

I never "remember" to disengage the safety...it's built into the presentation.

It's built in because you've trained that way. If you hadn't trained, it wouldn't be built in. Like I said, adding one more step might not make it a whole lot more complex. But the more steps you add, eventually that "just one more step" becomes "holy crap I'd rather solve a rubix cube." That's my philosophy anyway. KISS principle. Regardless, both methods involve some sort of safety, whether its the thumb safety or the trigger safety.

As to clays and long range accuracy - those are some uses for long guns. Other uses are HD, where expected ranges are generally measured in feet instead of yards. Different pistols are made for different things - some are desgined for targets or competition, others are designed for deep concealed carry or duty guns. That's where I was going with this idea - something designed more for HD duty, less for targets. The design would have been accurate enough for that, but the safety issue (that the trigger guard isn't covered) is what makes it a bad idea. And the possible mechanical issues that people who understand the mechanisms claim exists.

 

[orionengnr]

Hmm...well the Glock style trigger is typicall (sic) a lot better than a DAO trigger.

No...the Glock trigger is a DAO trigger, by execution if not by "defintion".

Very, very, very...(pick your number of "veries") few riflemen want a long action, mushy trigger.

If you are trying to hit an animate (or inanimate) target at a moderate to long range, it has been long established that a short, crisply-breaking trigger is a significant advantage.

The basics apply at all ranges...as do the erors; the errors magnified at longer ranges, and as the range increases, the magnification increases exponentially.

 

[EddieNFL]

All firearms do their part to prevent NDs.

I know Ruger stamps a warning on the barrel, but the gun is not capable of doing anything without human interaction.

It's built in because you've trained that way.

If a person isn't willing to train, he should not own a firearm..of any type.

If you hadn't trained, it wouldn't be built in. Like I said, adding one more step might not make it a whole lot more complex. But the more steps you add, eventually that "just one more step" becomes "holy crap I'd rather solve a rubix cube."

Everyone should be aware of their limitations. For those (mentally) incapable of mastering the controls of a SA auto, I suggest 911.

 

[Skribs]

If a person isn't willing to train, he should not own a firearm..of any type.

It's the same idea someone in the shotgun section said about his shotgun. Because he hasn't practiced with his shotgun from the condition he stores it in, he often times fumbled with getting it ready, even though he was very proficient with his handguns. If you train for one platform, that doesn't equate to training for the other. I didn't say Glocks don't require training, its just there's one less step in learning the draw. It's also a lot more intuitive to draw a Glock style weapon if you're not trained on the 1911, just grip, pull, point.

Everyone should be aware of their limitations. For those (mentally) incapable of mastering the controls of a SA auto, I suggest 911.

That was rather rude. I never said I was incapable. I said I preferred the simplest method. KISS is a good principle.

 

[Walkalong]

Closed at OP's request.