Has anyone sent in a Rem 700 for the bolt safety modification?

[abc7]

Roklok
Thanks for your post. We are finally getting something constructive to think on and maybe apply as we see fit. I was wondering about applying that screw to the connector. How much of a bite of the connector does the screw hole take? Is there lots of material left and how hard is the connector itself. I was wondering what the chances were of a breakage at the hole for the screw? Appreciate your post and your opinion. abc7

 

[natman]

Natman
That was a good post. Gives some members a good view of the trigger and should help some who are not familar with the inner workings. Sure is an issue that gets gun owners upset. Dont see the need of getting so worked up about it. It's not rocket science.

There is another question I would like to hear from you on if you would. Regarding the safety ball under spring pressure. As it is rolled from the upper detent in the Safety "on' position to the lower detent hole in the Safety "off' position, the trigger itself is directly under the ball and on one web site it shows where the Ball has actually caused a little scuffing of the trigger. If this is so it can also be a secondary problem which could cause the rifle to fire when the safety is released. I found this site under "Remington model 700 trigger assembly". appreciate your input. abc7

Is this the site you had in mind?

http://darnellsbeep.beep.com/

It does look as if the rear of the trigger shoe has been contacted by the ball on that particular trigger. This could cause the shoe to move forward, possibly enough for the gun to fire. It doesn't have to move far.

 

[abc7]

Natman
Yes that is the site. I never heard any comments on this from gun owners, not even Gunsmiths. It seems like a factor that is well worth considering since these triggers tripp fairly easy the way most of us like them so if in some cases the ball or even a little foreign material gets in there it could cause a malfunction. Have you had any experience your self or heard of this before? abc7

 

[abc7]

Natman

You have provided us with such a good working reference to the Walker trigger I would like to bring in something else that is a potential problem. Obviously for the connector to be free under that light spring pressure and the connector probably moves in and out under the recoil of each shot there has to be proper clearance at top and bottom. Whatever the clearance needs to be under different temperatures it seems to me if that clearance is not adequate on certain rifles because of a lack of Quality control it could cause a binding of the connector and a failure to take its intended position. Obviously if the connector is secured to the main trigger body the potential problem should disappear. Thanks again for that excellent post. abc7

 

[roklok]

abc7,

I first epoxy the connector to the trigger. I use a dremel to rough up the mating surfaces of the trigger and connector to improve adhesion. I then drill and tap the trigger for the 3-56 screw. I do not drill the connector, I simply use the hole that is already there for the overtravel screw. So the connector is not weakened at all. The connector is HARD, and would be exceedingly difficult to drill anyway. I use a 3/32 bit first, to just start the hole in trigger, drilling to a depth of about 1/16", using hole in connector as a guide. This ensures that the smaller # 46 drill will be centered. DO NOT drill deep with the 3/32, just deep enough so that the #46 will center itself. Then tap the hole and install the 3-56 screw with epoxy or red locktight. After cured, cut off excess and file head smaller. You can see in the picture, the trigger on the right is ready to reinstall in rifle.

The overtravel screw will need the "tit" broken off, as it will no longer need to go through the connector to engage trigger, it will now engage the head of the 3-56 screw. This can be done with a small punch without removing overtravel screw.

If you decide to do this, YOU DO THIS AT YOU OWN RISK !!!

I have done this with most of my 700 triggers, and am very happy with results. It overcomes the weak point of the design without spending over $100 a pop on aftermarket triggers. This in conjunction with lighter trigger springs (Wolff) makes a very nice trigger without spending big bucks.

 

[abc7]

Roklok
Thanks for the details. I will examine the whole proceedure Later. My son and I will decide whether we go that route or not. Appreciate the input. abc7

 

[Motega]

Your safety should not come off until your muzzle is pointed at something you intend to shoot. That solves most of the problem.

 

[Average Joe]

I am still not convinced that the 700 has a problem. It may just be that some people tinkered with the trigger( there are many web sites that will tell you how to adjust the trigger) or just operator error, like the Toyota's that drive by themselves.... Its just a convenient excuse when somebody does something stupid, so they don't have to take the responsibility , they just blame something else for their error.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Your safety should not come off until your muzzle is pointed at something you intend to shoot. That solves most of the problem.

What about the other guy taking his safety off?

After all, most of the people who have been shot by rifles that went off when the safety was released were not the person holding the rifle.

 

[abc7]

AVERAGE JOE

I personally do not want to be in disagreement with my fellow Gun owner and I assume you are just sceptical because you have lots of good reasons to be. Some of those legitimate reasons you have already given in your post and I could add a few more. I could also write for a half hour of the many other things that need to be considered as well. I dont see anyone denying the things you have pointed out, but when you apply them in every case it will not stand up. Just to make this brief because in order to cover all the ground of evidence it would be a small book I will just give this one. On March 5, 1980 out of 133 rifles sent in with the complaint in Question Remington 44 of the 133 was confirmed. That is a Memo from that date. That does not necessarily mean that the remaining 89 did not malfunction but that they were not able to verify it.

That is from Remington's own records. That is a pretty good percentage since we all know this is a real hard one to get to repeat when we want it to.
If Remington had found all the triggers had been tampered with they would have come to a completely different conclusion and their records would have read differently. As I said there is just too much for a forum so I just make it brief. The trigger designer agreed that the problem existed. That is very strong verification indeed. That does not make Remington Rifles a piece of junk, it just means one item they manufactured did not meet their original intensions. Remember no one is saying the problem is rampant, it is quite rare. It is only because it is so dangereous when it happens because no one is expecting it. Hope this response is ok. Regards. abc7