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Has Tactical Gone Too Far?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by M.E.Eldridge, Jan 14, 2006.

  1. M.E.Eldridge

    M.E.Eldridge Well-Known Member

    I want to know your opinions on the matter. Has the tacti-cool fad gotten out of hand? At every gun show I see ARs decked out in all sorts of fancy lights, lasers, collapsable stocks, holographic scopes, grips, mag couplers and other junk. Now I could see the use of a light or laser on a pistol or carbine, in fact I want to put one on a Hi-Point .40 S&W Carbine, but what they got now seems to much to me. Any other thoughts?
  2. Harry Paget Flashman

    Harry Paget Flashman Well-Known Member

    It's all a matter of disposable income and taste. Some people like to trick out cars with mud flaps, curb feelers and spoilers. Where's the harm?
  3. joab

    joab Well-Known Member

    Has Tactical Gone Too Far
    And it ain't done yet
  4. gezzer

    gezzer Well-Known Member

    Yep at least 5 years ago:what:
  5. Black Majik

    Black Majik Well-Known Member

    When I think about tactical I think of the AR market. Some of those M4's weigh as much as an M249!

    In short, yes I think its gone too far. Practicality has been overrun by gadgets. And in most AR15 fan's defense, MOST of those add-on's are NECESSARY. Yeah rite....

    Whats the point of the red dot with zoom, plus NVD behind it and BUIS sight behind that. Kinda cool to look thru those picture threads though, but quite a bit much.
  6. gbran

    gbran Well-Known Member

    My son-in-law hunts and shoots with me a lot. He always looks like a Navy Seal when we go out. Even his Ruger 10/22 rifle looks tactical. It's almost embarassing to take him along. Trust me, all that tactical equip and looks don't seem to bring him any mor results, but he sure looks cool.
  7. M.E.Eldridge

    M.E.Eldridge Well-Known Member

    Thank god I'm not alone in my way of thinking. Whenever I make my proclivities know to the dealer types they look at me like I'm a whackjob. Oh, well no harm done
  8. thereisnospoon

    thereisnospoon Well-Known Member


    It really depends...

    There is A LOT of stuff we do to our guns because its (tacti)cool or we like the looks or we just plain can't find anything else to spend our money on.

    However, that being said...

    Having a light on a home defense shotgun,carbine or pistol could mean the difference between shooting a loved one and an intruder. Having a "laser" can be intimidating and can stop a hostile in their tracks. Having a Holographic Weapon Site (HWS)....or as you say "scope" can mean faster target acquisition and mean the difference between being dead ir alive.

    Most of us will never need ANY of the stuff we have, heck, some people never practice with their "tacticool" gear, but tis better to have and not need than need and not have...
  9. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    What's "tactical" and "toy" for one might not be for another.

    A light on the weapon? A red dot sight?

    I'd really put those as sort of standard equipment for any defensive weapon, along with backup iron sights in case something breaks.

    Beyond that it can get pretty silly. I saw a guy on another board post a picture of his 7.5" shorty AR, but it had a 2x magnifier and a bipod. :scrutiny:
  10. Glockman17366

    Glockman17366 Well-Known Member

    Yep...although I'm guilty of it myself!

    Mainly, the police have gone way, way overboard with this "Tactical" crap. IMHO, SWAT teams were a bad idea 20 years ago and a worse idea today. The SWAT teams are brought in for every instance it seems. Just as an example..that kid in Florida who was shot...and the kid had a pellet gun.
  11. hksw

    hksw Well-Known Member

    Eh, if you don't like to even look at them, don't pay them any attention and move along. Personally, I don't care for them myself but others do. If you don't like it enough to complain, get an FFL and sell and display the guns the way you think would be ideal.
  12. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    I like sticking lights on carbines because they're helpful. But it can go too far. Some of the tricked out AR's weigh more than ten pounds, not to mention the decked out semi pistols that weigh as much as a magnum revolver. At some point your returns start to diminish.
  13. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    I think that's a bit unfair. A kid in a school with a gun, unknown type of gun at the time, calls for SWAT in my opinion.

    If MY kid was in school and some nut was walking around the building with a gun I'd want a SWAT team to take him out just exactly like they did.
  14. Chris Rhines

    Chris Rhines Well-Known Member


    The whole anti-tactical thing has gone too far, though. It's based on the idea that someone else knows whats best for me, and for my kind of shooting.

    Join me at the range sometime, and I'd be happy to show you what all the gadgets and doo-dads have bought me. ;)

    - Chris
  15. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member


    Simply because no one makes a drink can coozie that can be put on a picatinny rail.

  16. Bridger

    Bridger Well-Known Member

    Some of it is too far and some of it makes sense. The "uninitiated" ;) won't necessarily understand all of it and so lump it all together as "excessive" when it's something as simple as a red dot. But if you actually have something like a red dot or a good rail system, and use your rifle for more than just bump firing, you might be more attuned to what is useful, and what is junk. Personally, I'm not sure yet if a bipod is a valuable attachment for my AR-15.

    A lot of the stuff in the "cheaper than dirt" catalogue etc is pretty junky, as well as a lot of stuff I've seen at gun shows.
  17. M.E.Eldridge

    M.E.Eldridge Well-Known Member

    I never said that no one would ever need any of the tactical shtuff. I also said that a light or a laser could be useful. I don't really consider a red dot scope tactical. While the holographic sights might mean faster target aquisition, the ones I have seen all interfere with iron sights(or vice versa). I also think that to many people now have to rely on doo-dads to for basic firearms skills. Iron sights are on a gun for a reason. Learn to use them effectively and the need for fancy scopes for quick close range shooting won't be nearly as great.
  18. taliv

    taliv Moderator

    my take on it is as follows:

    if you've decked your baby out with all the gadgets you can afford, and over the course of firing 5000 rnds or more, those gadgets are still attached and you're happy, then more power to you. rock on.

    otoh, if you've loaded it up and stuck it on your mantle without putting more than a few hundred rounds through it, all the while thinking it's the perfect tactical configuration, i reserve the right to snicker.
  19. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Yeah, they are there to use if the primary sight goes down. Sure they won't be as fast since you have to align three different objects (rear sight, front sight, target) in three different focal planes. They also require a consistent cheek weld unlike a holographic or red dot sight.

    As to the rest of the stuff, buy what you need and want. Don't buy the rest. Most of that stuff has very practical applications; but if you do most of your shooting at fixed targets from the bench, you won't really get much chance to appeciate what they add. Also in a lot of cases, some gear is very specific and is good for a certain role and not so good for others. If you have made the wrong trade-off you may not be happy with that gear; but it doesn't mean it has no purpose.
  20. Sam

    Sam Well-Known Member

    Tactical went to far the minute someone picked up a spray can and started in with the black Krylon.

    That's just fine with me. You want it, I'll sell it, you'll pay for it and it'll go in my wallet.:evil:
    When tactical is done for, I'll sell chrome!:neener:


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