Have You Given Up On a SD Caliber?

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Not so much given up on any particular caliber, just the hype that goes along with them. I've carried the 9mm, .40 and .45 over the last 30 years and have found that it's hits that matter. When I went back to carrying a gun for myself I chose the 9mm; I can shoot it straight and fast. I couldn't do that quite as well with either of the other calibers. These days I find myself choosing between my Glock 19 and my S&W Model 10 and I don't feel undergunned with either of them.
 
The moral of the story. With handguns the only thing that really matters is what you hit and to believe otherwise is actually funny deluded pathetic bit.
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No, this is just not true.

This notion is counter to everything mankind has learned about ballistics over the centuries, which is this:

Not all rounds perform equally well at quickly stopping aggressive humans.

To believe otherwise is seriously deluded and pathetic.
 
easyg said:
No, this is just not true.

This notion is counter to everything mankind has learned about ballistics over the centuries, which is this:

Not all rounds perform equally well at quickly stopping aggressive humans.

To believe otherwise is seriously deluded and pathetic.
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It may not be that fun to discuss and not have much hype but its still absolutely true.

A jhp or fmj through the nervous system or a major blood carrying organ will be resoably effective.

A fmj or jhp through the thigh is not going to yield outstanding results.

Yes bullets have improved but to to the point they magically make bad shot placement good.




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Looking at it from the other side of the BARREL, I'd not want to be shot by any caliber, from .22 up, so I figure any gun you'd carry is better than any gun in the safe.

I normally carry a Glock 26 9MM because I like the size and capacity and I shoot it pretty well, which is what makes the decision easy for me. But I am also a .40 SW fan.
 
Looking at it from the other side of the BARREL, I'd not want to be shot by any caliber, from .22 up, so I figure any gun you'd carry is better than any gun in the safe.
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Again looking at it from the other side of the barrel....

If you had to be shot with a handgun, but you could choose the caliber and load to be shot with, what would you choose?


Yeah, we all know that handguns aren't magic death rays.
But certain calibers do perform better than other calibers when it comes to quickly stopping aggressive humans.
Even a small increase in my favor is worth exploiting in my opinion.
Handguns already suck at stopping threats...why choose a caliber than will make them suck even more?
 
I shot .38 Super primarily for over 10 years. Its a great round but is expensive to shooy. Its because of my Super that I started reloading. After I stopped competing my series 70 Colt 1911 in .38 Super has been regulated to the safe.
 
I can't really say that I 'gave up' on .380 as I still have the PPK/S that I carried daily for 17 years... and once in a great while I'll carry it as a backup to the XD45C that I now carry as my primary. I would still carry the PPK/S as a 'tuxedo gun' if I ever wore a tux or suit again but I can't see it ever going back into daily service.

At the time I bought my XD I was starting to think I wanted a carry weapon with more power but I trained quite a bit and was of the "shot placement is everything" mindset. Then a really big kitty (cougar) started wondering through my yard on a regular basis. That pretty well made the decision for me and I've carried the same loads (HST +P) that the local game warden does ever since. :)
 
Doc It looks like your biggest problem here is you read and absorb everthing but seem to have little or no real world time killing anything .
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If you're talking to me, this isn't about reading. This is about 32 years of seeing what went to the ER and what went to the coroner. This is about actual first hand experience with human gunshot victims. This is about actually seeing the effects of different calibers and bullet configurations both inside and outside of the body. This is about having seen people with multiple gunshot wounds to the torso walk to the truck and people with a single gunshot wound to the torso laying in their living room with a sheet over their face. I know what consistently works, and I know what doesn't.

You know some hunting to see how different bullets calibersl designs really work would help. You can not get a full understanding unless you have seen first hand how different bullets types work on live game.
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I have seen first hand how different bullet types work on the only live game that is relevant to this thread. Haven't you been reading?

If you can show me a direct correlation between handgun rounds at handgun velocities fired out of self defense handguns, and hunting rounds fired out of longer barreled handguns or rifles I'm listening.

Until then, shoot what you want. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. Just don't criticize me when I tell you what my choices are and why. I have chosen .40 S&W ball and .45 ACP ball for a very good reason. My decision is based on the type of target I will face in an SD confrontation, and what I need to happen to that target to end the confrontation.
 
No!:) there are better options. .22 loaded with shotcells will be my first choice if I have a say in it:D

Just a question to you, with obvious experience in the field. Lets take a .40S&W. Does the bullet when its a HP always stay in the person shot, or does it always penetrate fully? If not do you have any kind of persentages?
 
Well I did it I sold my Seecamp and bought a nice 1903 Colt pocket hammerless, so I guess I've given up on everything smaller than 38+p or 9mm for EDC.
 
I just new before I even clicked submit that a link to BB's non saami overloads would get posted.

That's just what folks do nowadays to try to represent a cartridge as doing something it can't

Here's what 38 does with non clarktastic loads

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/38special.html

Note that in a 2" revolver bbl 110 g bullets dont even make 1000




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Hunter2011

Good call on the shotshell 22. I didn't even consider it, but that is a great choice.

To answer your question on the .40 S&W I can't say it won't leave an exit wound on a torso hit, but of the dozen or so I've seen shot with the .40 JHP I haven't seen one. As a side note, none of them were dead, but most of them were unconscious.
 
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^Dale,
You're funny. I just provided you a link to over the counter +P's that are known to do what professed.
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You provided a link to ONE load obviously loaded beyond 18k psi that still doesn't make the 1100+ from a 2" bbl you cited

Like I said find three examples and come back.




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R.W.Dale said:
You provided a link to ONE load obviously loaded beyond 18k psi that still doesn't make the 1100+ from a 2" bbl you cited

Like I said find three examples and come back.




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Why on earth why would I want to do that? It certainly seems an odd request.
 
Certaindeaf said:
Why on earth why would I want to do that? It certainly seems an odd request.
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You make the supposition so its up to you to support it with evidence of it being factual.

You just know that without Buffalo bore, double tap or similar boutique overloads you wont find it



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Doc3402 said:
Umm, would that be considered a +P or +P+ load? Did I mention either one of those? Refresh your memory and read my post again. My statement stands.
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Those +P .38's are "safe to shoot in all .38 Specials.. yada".
You said .38 Special. .38 Special is a revolver, don't you know.
If you've got an old clunker, you might stick to lighter loads.
 
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