Here's why Ron Paul can't win.....

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Thanks for the help Jeff, looks like I need all I can get. If my current level of sarcasm is keeping my message from getting through then I guess I have no choice but to start laying it on REALLY thick!

Service: I'm on your side, but as soon as I dared to begin supporting Dr. Paul on here, I was laid low by a number of posters who refuse to vote for him since ihe "can't win". I keep rolling my eyes at them as hard as I possibly can, but so far I've only received grief and insults for my efforts!
 
Neo-Cons like to live in a dreamworld where the morality, and the consequences of one's actions aren't connected. Where people enjoy being invaded, and their country's natural resources looted by companies that can't negotiate for them in a free market.

They and their supporters don't like RP because he speaks the truth. He also talks about the state, and using of force. He is a Conservative in the spirit of Goldwater, and they don't want to be reminded of who the real Conservatives are.

They sometimes just choose not to believe truths. They don't want to believe the Patriot Act, and Military Commissions Act can put a Conservative in prison if we have the wrong politicians in office. They don't want to believe that the Republicans will only stand a chance in the next election if they are anti-war. They don't want to believe that our foreign policy causes blowback.

If you criticize them, especially concerning the war, or other things, they wrap themselves in the flag, and declare you a traitor. In so doing they cheapen the flag, and do disservice the real patriots.

They will end up destroying the Republican Party splitting it into competing camps. The proof is RP winning, or coming very close in these polls.
 
40 years ago Ron Paul would sound like a completely normal and reasonable man. How is it that this short time later he is an extremist? Our country has deteriorated rather quickly. Todays generation of kids are totally lost if not for their parents guidance.
 
I was laid low by a number of posters who refuse to vote for him since he "can't win"
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I don't have a problem with any of ya'll supporting Ron Paul, and I won't belittle you or anything like that.

But the problem is that unless he is gets the Republican nomination, or a whole lot of "voters" change their proven habits of voting for whoever their favorite party nominates and go for the third party, he will not win. The sad fact that I tried to make earlier in this thread is that far too many people don't give a damn about who they actually vote for, instead they vote for a party. They just do not care.

And the comments that have been all over the news,mark him as a nutcase in in the eyes of the general population.
 
Service: I'm on your side, but as soon as I dared to begin supporting Dr. Paul on here, I was laid low by a number of posters who refuse to vote for him since ihe "can't win". I keep rolling my eyes at them as hard as I possibly can, but so far I've only received grief and insults for my efforts!
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Ya, sorry about that. You had your sarcasm button off. :D The funny thing is I have converted 5 people this week alone. They unanimously agreed to vote for Ron Paul; especially if he is the Republican candidate. So when people tell me that he is “unelectable” I can’t look the other way because I have seen my personal grassroots success, proving that Ron is electable.
 
They don't want to believe the Patriot Act, and Military Commissions Act can put a Conservative in prison if we have the wrong politicians in office.
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Can anyone PLEASE cite a personal experience whereby the patriot act adversely affected your life. Are any of your relatives in prison because of it? Let's see, the only thing that I can no longer do is make those phone calls to my al-Qeada buddies when I want to touch base (hey, I made a pun). Oh wait, I have no al-Qeada buddies, oh yeah, and neither should any of you. So what the hell is the big deal of the gov't wants to tap the phone of suspected terrorists?
 
Can anyone PLEASE cite a personal experience whereby the patriot act adversely affected your life.
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So violating the Bill of Rights is OK just as long as it doesnt affect my daily life eh? Just give it time.

So what the hell is the big deal of the gov't wants to tap the phone of suspected terrorists?
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Funny you say that, as we saw some state governments believe tax protesters and gun rights activists fit into that category. You want to try again?
 
Tell you what, since I have nothing to hide, the day the government comes after me for being a suspected terrorist, I'll go on the O'Reilly factor and let the whole damn world know of my plight. But honestly, the Patriot Act is 95% fluff. But as President Bush stated in a press conference, "If you're making phone calls to al-Qeada, we'd like to know why". I happen to agree. We're at war, we need to safeguard against domestic attacks. Gun ownership plays one part of the safeguarding equation, phone-tapping potential terrorists plays another. It's common sense, you want to know what terrorists are saying, you listen into their phone conversations.
 
Tell you what, since I have nothing to hide, the day the government comes after me for being a suspected terrorist, I'll go on the O'Reilly factor and let the whole damn world know of my plight. But honestly, the Patriot Act is 95% fluff. But as President Bush stated in a press conference, "If you're making phone calls to al-Qeada, we'd like to know why". I happen to agree. We're at war, we need to safeguard against domestic attacks. Gun ownership plays one part of the safeguarding equation, phone-tapping potential terrorists plays another. It's common sense, you want to know what terrorists are saying, you listen into their phone conversations.
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"If you are making phone calls to Al Qeada, we'd like to know why."

I love that "I and got nothing to hide" attitude.

We are screwed.
 
Ya, sorry about that. You had your sarcasm button off. The funny thing is I have converted 5 people this week alone. They unanimously agreed to vote for Ron Paul; especially if he is the Republican candidate. So when people tell me that he is “unelectable” I can’t look the other way because I have seen my personal grassroots success, proving that Ron is electable.
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Respectfully, while you've converted 5, you've turned off more people than that. Keep it up but, I would change the collective attitude in doing so if you want it come out on the positive side.
 
Respectfully, while you've converted 5, you've turned off more people than that. Keep it up but, I would change the collective attitude in doing so if you want it come out on the positive side.
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Who did I turn off and how did I turn them off?

I don't necessarily mean to attack you as part of a group. I am only trying to rationalize my opinion and others happen to share my views, so it appears that we are a team.
 
Ron Paul won't win because there simply aren't enough kooks to elect him. He's still at 0%.

I'm a fairly devoted Republican and I can tell you if somehow all the real candidates were killed and all the logical voters were exterminated so that only the Ron Paul kooks were left, I'd write in Joe Lieberman.
 
So violating the Bill of Rights
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The Patriot Act has NOTHING to do with the Bill of Rights. NEVER in history has even one case extended an "constitutional rights" to anything (telephone conversation, bag of luggage, container of cargo) that crosses the border. It's all subject to search. The Patriot Act reversed some ill conceived Democratic statutes, nothing more, nothing less.

I'd guess that the majority of you no nothing about what was really in the bill, and just blindly parrot what Rosie O'Donnell and Pon Raul say.
 
Ron Paul doesn't really have to win to make an impact although I certainly hope he does win. His greatest impact is to expose the flaws and unpatriotic nature of neo-con foreign policy and of the neo-cons themselves. The time is long past due for other Republicans to take on the neo-cons.
 
Can anyone PLEASE cite a personal experience whereby the patriot act adversely affected your life?
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The majority of the population of Iraq never had their lives adversely affected by Saddam: he didn't torture them, gas them, rape them or in any other way do anything to them. Saddam did those things to a minority of the population. The same can be said of Soviet Russia: the majority were never arrested or sent to the gulag.

So counting heads and saying, "Look how few people are actually affected!" is just wrong-headed.

We no longer have the right of habeas corpus, speedy trial, a jury of our peers, or any of the rest of it--but ALMOST EVERYONE will still get those things. Only when the government decides to call you an "enemy combatant" and strip those rights do you suffer personally.

Which brings us to José Padilla. He might be guilty of the "dirty bomb" plot he was accused of, or he might not--we'll never know, since he has been denied a fair trial. Instead, that American citizen was arrested and held for years without charges, without habeas corpus, and under conditions of torture, such as sleep deprivation, loud noises, bright lights, prolonged exposure to cold, etc.

--Len
 
Ron Paul won't win because there simply aren't enough kooks to elect him. He's still at 0%.

I'm a fairly devoted Republican and I can tell you if somehow all the real candidates were killed and all the logical voters were exterminated so that only the Ron Paul kooks were left, I'd write in Joe Lieberman.
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nemoaz ~

I would like to draw your attention to the THR Code of Conduct, which reads, in part

"4.) Spamming, trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are prohibited. You can disagree with other members, even vehemently, but it must be done in a well-mannered form. Attack the argument, not the arguer."

Your post is a personal attack.

Ordinarily, I would make this note via PM -- and I apologize now for picking on you in public -- but your post is such a clear representation of something that "everyone" has been doing lately that I felt obliged to point it out in public, for the benefit of "everyone."

Attack the arguments. State your reasons for supporting or opposing whomever you support or oppose.

Leave personal attacks out of this. If you cannot say something nice about another member, don't say anything about them at all, and stick to the argument at hand.

It's going to be a contentious election, and dang, has anyone looked at the calendar recently?? We haven't even started the election cycle yet!

More light, less heat. Please.

pax
 
Edited: Ron Paul, still at 0%.

So I guess it is only a "personal attack" if aimed even generally at the four Ron Paul spammers?

RON PAUL/ROSIE O'DONNELL .08
 
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Budney says:
So counting heads and saying, "Look how few people are actually affected!" is just wrong-headed.
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Right on. How many people in the US were "directly affected" by the Assault Weapon Ban? It's a huge deal on this board and others like it right? But out in the rest of the world? Barely a ripple. That's the way Government works. Take a Right, and fold it into a privilege. Take that privilege, and pile so many conditions on it that it finally doesn't exist any more. I'm tired of taking tiny little steps backwards, I'm ready to take a big step forwards for a change. I think Ron Paul, and others like him (if we can find more) deserve my full support, and I intend to give it every chance I get.

Marshall says:
Respectfully, while you've converted 5, you've turned off more people than that. Keep it up but, I would change the collective attitude in doing so if you want it come out on the positive side.
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I want to know who's "turned off" as well. Refusing to support a candidate because of his stand on any given issue is understandable. But refusing to support a candidate because you're irritated by those who do so is just petty.

In light of Pax's recent gentle reminder, I'd like to point out that I'm not referring to anyone on this board specifically as petty. That said, I keep running into people who seem opposed to Ron Paul because either:
1) theybelieve he can't win (still at 0%!!!!), so they see no point in supporting him, or
2) somone who is excited about Paul's canidacy said something they found obnoxious.
I may be misguided, but both positions seem irrational and pointless if we're supposed to be rooting for a candidate based primarily upon his positions on important issues.
 
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So you buy into the Brady and anti-2nd A groups assertions that the 2nd doesn't say what it says?
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Where the hell did this come from? No, I believe in what the second ammendment says. I merely stated that it was ONE tool that we could use to fight terror. Thanks for twisting my words and trying to make me seem like an anti for not championing Ron Paul. Just because I won't vote for a kook doesn't mean I'm not pro-2A. As I have stated ad infinitum on MANY threads, I am for the unrestricted access to all small arms (ie, machineguns). Yeah, I'm really a Brady mouthpiece. Trying to paint me as anti-2a is really pathetic.

The majority of the population of Iraq never had their lives adversely affected by Saddam: he didn't torture them, gas them, rape them or in any other way do anything to them. Saddam did those things to a minority of the population. The same can be said of Soviet Russia: the majority were never arrested or sent to the gulag.
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And comparing the Patriot Act to the actions of Saddam Hussein is just assenine. Saddam's actions murdered innocents, the Patriot Act taps phone lines of suspected terrorists. Yep, I see a HUGE correlation.
 
nemoaz said: So I guess it is only a "personal attack" if aimed even generally at the four Ron Paul spammers?
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No, its a personal attack when you do things like call people kooks who want to vote for a particular candidate.


nemoaz said: Ron Paul won't win because there simply aren't enough kooks to elect him.
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Chill out and ease off the throttle. Or, don't, and see how it works out for ya.
 
Ron Paul is mostly just shaming the other candidates at this point. This hurts giuliani and helps mccain and thompson. In the long run, his participation is a good thing.

I thought it was funny how McCain and Paul were the only candidates that opposed the use of torture.
 
Hey Nemoaz, there are people with more posts and far more time in forum than you who support Ron Paul.

I am one. Calling me a kook is offensive. It doesn't hurt my feelings, but it does make me want to hurt yours and that is why it is not permitted here on THR. It degrades the quality of the conversation. Flames are so 1990s.
 
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