Here's why Ron Paul can't win.....

[helpless]

To many threads like this to keep up on, I am not getting any work done. They all start out different enough but all seem to go the same route. They all end up being a tug of war about this candidate or that and why this guy cant win so this guy wont even vote and he is a nut because he...

Ron Paul has my support and anyone and everyone who cares to listen to me for 5 minutes usually ends up seeing why he is the only choice.

 

[Marshall]

After seeing and hearing Ron Paul talking about cover ups last night, he's digging a bigger hole.

 

[helpless]

After seeing and hearing Ron Paul talking about cover ups last night, he's digging a bigger hole.

Why? Is it because you do not believe that cover ups happen? or is it because you do believe that they happen but just talking about them makes you sound crazy to the mainstream? If so, dont discount Paul because I am noticing a majority of Americans are starting to wake up to the fact that things are often not what they seem, and talking about cover ups and conspiracy is not as taboo as it once was.

I give Ron Paul credit for speaking about what he believes even if a few think it sounds crazy or believe it painful to hear.

Does anyone else here feel this way?

 

[High Planes Drifter]

I dont subscribe to the theory that the government had any direct involvement in the 9/11 attacks. If there was a government cover up, I believe it was what led up to the attacks, the "Blowback" theory, if you will, and the enormous failure of the government in stoping someone they knew was a threat years and years in advance. I believe they attempted to cover these facts up in the aftermath of the attacks.

That being said, Paul still has my support, and I dont think that video of him making those comments will affect his campaign one way or the other. He hasnt been caught on camera doing anything worse than the transvestite, or potty mouth Mccain. The media will blow it out of perportion because it seems as tho they loath Paul.



It is cool that he invites college students over for house parties tho.

 

[MrRezister]

I give Ron Paul credit for speaking about what he believes even if a few think it sounds crazy or believe it painful to hear.

Does anyone else here feel this way?

Guilty.

So far as I have seen Paul hasn't said anything that isn't perfectly logical, or even obvious. He has not looked like a "conspiracy nut" or an extremist in any way. Nonetheless, a lot of people seem to be in a hurry to sweep him out to the fringe. I want to hear more from him, but as of right now he's my favorite in the lineup.

 

[BigG]

Nonetheless, a lot of people seem to be in a hurry to sweep him out to the fringe.

Whaddaya mean sweep him out to the fringe? He's already at the fringe. He needs to find a way to appeal to VOTERS not the intellectual ideologically pure; he already has that hundred thousand or so votes nationwide sewn up.

 

[.41Dave]

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

Seems to me we are somewhere between the "Ridicule" and "Fight" stages.

Ron Paul 2008

www.ronpaul2008.com

 

[Marshall]

Whaddaya mean sweep him out to the fringe? He's already at the fringe. He needs to find a way to appeal to VOTERS not the intellectual ideologically pure; he already has that hundred thousand or so votes nationwide sewn up.

Exactly. Talking conspiracy/cover up regarding 9-11 and talking the same regarding the Kennedy assassination isn't going to take him anywhere but backwards. He's already got the vote of his followers. If Hillary or Obama were speaking the same points Ron Paul is right now, they would be tossed on their ears and be painted nuts and deservedly so. In doing so, Ron's associating himself with the likes of Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell, etc. That's not the best company to be sharing if you want to win a primary or become President. Whether I agree with Ron Paul or not is not important, how he deals his own cards is what's important. You can't help gun owners from the Presidents seat unless you get there.

 

[Chui]

Yes, Obama and Hillary may very well be tossed on their ears for discussing the things that Paul is discussing but certainly NOT "deservedly so".

The things he's discussing are much more important than "just" the Second Amendment.

 

[HiroProX]

Now, who thinks we can trust Ghouliani?

 

[Marshall]

If Hillary or Obama were speaking the same points Ron Paul is right now, they would be tossed on their ears and be painted nuts and deservedly so.

When I said deservedly so, I meant because they're nuts anyway. My bad, I didn't phrase that well.

With that said, the idea that we staged or directly had something to do with 9-11 is indeed nuts. Ron can say whatever he wishes, he has the right. He's nuts for doing it though if he wants to be President.

 

[MrRezister]

With that said, the idea that we staged or directly had something to do with 9-11 is indeed nuts. Ron can say whatever he wishes, he has the right. He's nuts for doing it though if he wants to be President.

That's true, if he said it. But so far I haven't seen any place where he has. I'm not omniscient, obviously, but I have followed him for the past few months, and so far I don't believe he ever said the .gov was directly involved in the attack. If I am wrong, please show me.

Thanks,

Ron Paul Unexposed

 

[Marshall]

He was caught on tape while unaware he was being recorded, saw it yesterday, saying something about 9-11 and cover ups by the US government, just like the Kennedy assassination. I don't have the exact words but it didn't look good.

I can't say what he was suggesting.

 

[D.S. Ambrose]

You're misrepresenting what he said. He said there were cover-ups in the investigation. he doesn't say that "we staged or directly had something to do with 9-11", you're twisting what he said to support how you feel about him, that seems a little dishonest. Maybe you just heard what made sense to you and you ran with it, hell, we all do that.

To directly quote him, "Well, I never automatically trust anything the government does when they do an investigation because too often I think there's an area that the government covered up, whether it's the Kennedy assassination or whatever."

What he is sayig here is that, the government covers things that they don't want people to know (faulty intelligence, government blunders or mistakes, illegal conduct etc...). Who is this news to? Of course the government lies or misrepresents things when it is in their best interest, who doesn't know this?

 

[MrRezister]

He was caught on tape while unaware he was being recorded, saw it yesterday, saying something about 9-11 and cover ups by the US government, just like the Kennedy assassination. I don't have the exact words but it didn't look good.

Sorry, but I've seen everything the guys at ronpaulexposed have, and it's not much. The "scholars for 9/11 truth" video is an obvious set up to make Paul look bad for daring to give time to nutcases at a fundraiser. He never even suggests that the government had any involvement in the attack or Kennedy's assassination. He suggests that the government is frequently less-than-forthcoming with information gained during the investigation of such incidents.

Therefore, I judge him guilty of expecting more transparent investigations into catastrophies.

We should erase all memory of him.

 

[Marshall]

Geeze, keep up. I'm not misrepresenting anything. I said I don't have the exact words and said I can't say what he was suggesting.

What you quoted is what I said, not what Ron Paul said.

My words about what Ron Paul said were, that he was........."saying something about 9-11 and cover ups by the US government, just like the Kennedy assassination. I don't have the exact words but it didn't look good.

I can't say what he was suggesting."


I'll say it again, he's committing political suicide.

Hopefully I'm wrong. And when he doesn't win the primary because of it, I'll be quite.

 

[Chui]

Yes, it's dangerous to question the facts of the gov't... and you could lose a lot of people who still think that the gov't is here to help us.

If this is the case then at least RP can say, "I TRIED!" which is far more than one can say about the average American nowadays.

 

[pcosmar]

Marshall said,

After seeing and hearing Ron Paul talking about cover ups last night, he's digging a bigger hole.

Exactly. Talking conspiracy/cover up regarding 9-11 and talking the same regarding the Kennedy assassination isn't going to take him anywhere but backwards.

He was caught on tape while unaware he was being recorded, saw it yesterday, saying something about 9-11 and cover ups by the US government, just like the Kennedy assassination. I don't have the exact words but it didn't look good.

I can't say what he was suggesting.

I can say what you are suggesting. How about What Ron Paul said.

Reason: What did you mean when you told the Scholars that "the [9/11] investigation is an investigation in which there were government cover-ups"?

Paul: I do think there were cover-ups, and I think it was mainly to cover up who was blamed, who's inept. See, they had the information. The FBI had an agent who was very much aware of the terrorists getting flight lessons but obviously not training to be pilots. He reported it 70 times or whatever and it was totally ignored. We were spending $40 billion a year on intelligence. It wasn't a lack of money or a lack of intelligence, it was a lack of the ability to put the intelligence together. Even the administration had been forewarned that something was coming, the CIA had been forewarned. So it was a cover up of who to blame. I see it more that way.

Reason: The position of the Student Scholars is that 9/11 was executed by the U.S. government. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Paul: I'd say there's no evidence of that.

Reason: So what did you mean when you told Student Scholars you'd be open to a new 9/11 investigation?

Paul: Well, I think the more we know about what we went on is good. But I don't think there's any evidence of [an inside job] and I don't believe that. The blame goes to bad policy. And a lot of times bad policy is well-motivated. The people who believe in a one world government are well motivated, but they disagree with me.

 

[obxned]

The sheeple are easily herded by the media, who are just slightly to the left of Karl Marx and about as sane as Daffy Duck. Some days I'm not near this optimistic.

 

[Marshall]

I don't have the exact words but it didn't look good.

I can't say what he was suggesting.

I can say what you are suggesting. How about What Ron Paul said.

No need to, I already said it. It doesn't look good. It still doesn't look good.

 

[MrRezister]

pcosmar said:
I can say what you are suggesting. How about What Ron Paul said.

There you go again, with your "facts" and your "direct quotes". When are you going to get the hint? It doesn't matter how popular his views may be, it's already been established that he's unelectable. Thus you are wasting your time pointing out where he stands on your so-called "issues". If his ridiculous stand on the Constitution doesn't get him swept away, then surely his ridiculous stand on American foriegn policy will. Go cry in a corner for your lost liberties, and throw yourself off that doomed Ron Paul bandwagon!

 

[Marshall]

It doesn't matter how popular his views may be, it's already been established that he's unelectable

Oh, I have an inkling it matters greatly how popular his views are. Right now, not too popular.

 

[ArmedBear]

Oh, I have an inkling it matters greatly how popular his views are. Right now, not too popular.

What do you mean, not popular?

There are at least 5 people who got Internet access and signed up on this forum just to push Ron Paul (note very low post counts and astounding ignorance about prominent libertarians on the Web).

If that's not popularity, what is?!?

 

[ServiceSoon]

Marshall said: I'm not misrepresenting anything.

After reading the posted quote by Ron Paul it appears that you are misrepresenting what he said and to that a major misrepresentation. You are doing exactly what the media does. Please stop it.

 

[Jeff]

ServiceSoon,

Mr. Rezister is a Paul supporter. He is being sarcastic.