High-Capacity .410?

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Besides, nine 2+ inch shells would be longer than the barrel.
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You're right. I was thinking an unfired 2.5" .410 was about 2" long, but I just measured one and it's closer to 2.25".
 
well, I'm off of work today, and provided our little spur-of-the-moment Coyote Hunt last night(Wharton County has a $50 a head bounty on any and all coyotes for obvious reasons), didn't hurt his neck too bad, I plan on dragging him out to the gun store. His little 10/22 won't cut it if we come across a feral hog(vicious buggers, not to mention we saw several hog trails).
 
Well, My dad and I noticed something about the Saiga, and that is that the shotgun itself seemed a tad small for him(He's a big guy, 6'4", 300 pounds)
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They will feel a little small but when you convert it to AK form you'll swap the stock anyway and can get a more American sized stock instead of the one made for communist pigmys.
 
We spotted one in a neighbor's plowed field, but by the time we identified what it was he done ran for the hills. You could hear them yipping all night, though. Just never got a chance for a clear shot.

and yes, I do plan on keeping you guys updated. I feel the Circuit Judge may be a good choice, once we get the chance to let him get a feel for it at the gun shop. On the opposite end of all this, how bad is the recoil on a .45 Long Colt? If its too much for him to handle, We can always use rifled slugs for nabbing coyotes, but I'm a tad curious to see if he can handle it.
 
In a revolver, the .45 Colt generates just about the same recoil as a .45 ACP. Of course the Circuit Judge is considerably heavier than a revolver so the felt recoil is going to be significantly less.

Standard loading for the .45 Colt is about 950 fps. from a revolver; it'll be somewhat faster out of the Circuit Judge. It comes in MUCH higher loadings and much greater recoil to go with it, but not jor use in the Judge.

The Standard loading would be good out to 100 yards from a gun zeroed at 50 yards. It'd still have plenty of punch.

One good thing about the .45 Colt is that your dad could shoot cowboy loads which go out at about 710-750 fps. Felt recoil from those rounds would be in the .22 magnum range; very light.

The problem with .45 Colt is that in most areas ammo is scarce. Cowboy loads are somewhat more plentiful than standards but still hard to find.

If you reload, then ammo availability becomes a non-issue.
 
NoobCannon said:
I feel the Circuit Judge may be a good choice, once we get the chance to let him get a feel for it at the gun shop. On the opposite end of all this, how bad is the recoil on a .45 Long Colt?
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Don't worry about the recoil in 45 Colt. You'll soon find you can't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside with one in a Judge. That's the problem with the Judge; it doesn't work as a rifle because of the too long cylinder and it doesn't work as a shotgun because of the rifled barrel. It would make a mediocre shotgun with the smoothbore barrel, but then it would be really inaccurate as a 45 Colt.

Tell your dad he's absolutely right about the Plinkster, but it's not the same with the 500s.
 
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This hasn't been suggested yet - but there is a .410 SG upper for a standard AR lower receiver. Comes with a 5-round mag, additional 14 round capacity mags are available.
 
Natman have you done any hunting with a Circuit judge? Its actually not just a rifled barrel it comes in smooth or rifled your chioice. it used too anyhow the one in the picture is a smoothbore anyways. And from vids i saw at 25 yards (close range) the 45 colt performed pretty good. there are other choices other than what you feel are best. The circuit judge brings something different to the table. Sometimes something different is little more fun. hey if it sucks you can always sell it and start again sometimes thats the fun part also, checking out stuff.
 
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Natman have you done any hunting with a Circuit judge? Its actually not just a rifled barrel it comes in smooth or rifled your chioice. it used too anyhow the one in the picture is a smoothbore anyways. And from vids i saw at 25 yards (close range) the 45 colt performed pretty good. there are other choices other than what you feel are best. The circuit judge brings something different to the table. Sometimes something different is little more fun. hey if it sucks you can always sell it and start again sometimes thats the fun part also, checking out stuff.
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No, I've never hunted with a Circuit Judge; I don't own one and wouldn't even if it were free.:) I have heard many reports of poor accuracy and even keyholing with 45 Colt ammo in Judge handguns. That is a LONG freebore in that cylinder and the rifling is designed for minimal effect on shot, not maximum effect with a bullet. It may be that the rifled barrel performs better in the Circuit Judge, but the OP wants a shotgun. That being the case, he should definitely go with the smoothbore option.

I'm well aware that the Circuit Judge is available with a choice of rifled or smoothbore barrels. That's why I recommended the smoothbore version.:)

It's certainly different and if you want one to play with, be my guest. But it's mediocre at best compared to a real shotgun. I have to assume that the OP does not want to buy one in order to find out what it's like; that's why he asked for advice.
 
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My dad is wanting to get into shotgunning, thanks to my incessant talk of my 12-gauge and my constant ordering of parts and letting him help with the installation.

The problem is, that he has a titanium plate and 4 screws holding his neck together, which has never properly healed. This extremely limits the calibers and kinds of weapons he is able to shoot. One bad recoil kick and he's on the floor in pain and out of commision for a few days. Anything with regular recoil can end up leaving him paralyzed.

SO, we came to the conclusion that a .410 shotgun would probably be the best route for him, considering the state of his neck and back. The problem is that the only .410s I've seen are all low-capacity youth models. Awhile back we bought him a 1956 Mossberg 2-shot bolt-action that he flat-out loved, but we had to sell it during the recession.

I've seen a handful of lever-actions and pump-action .410s from a variety of manufacturers, and that revolver-carbine from Taurus, but what would be the best for him?

I'm thinking at least a 4-shot magazine, and anything not mossberg, unless it's old(He's as stubborn as a mule on that one...)

Max price hopefully is around 500, But that can go up and down a bit as needed.

If ANYONE out there knows of a good .410 with decent or high capacity, please let me know. Thanks in advance.
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Seems like this thread has gone around the world. Only the OP's father can make the final decision of what is best for him. But given the original criteria of

1. At least a 4-shot magazine.
2. Not a Mossberg
3. Price around $500
4. .410

I believe the suggestion of a Browning BPS or used Remington Wingmaster pump (4 shot magazine with 2 1/2" rounds) or a Remington 1100 semi-auto could well be the best solution in this case. I can't see any hybrid gun such as the Circuit Judge being a longterm answer to the problem that was originally presented. While the Circuit Judge may be a fun novelty, it reminds me of the old cliche "Jack of all trades, Master of none".

To paraphrase Oneouncelead from another post, better to spend the money for a good gun on the front end, than to settle for something less only to be dissatisfied in the long run.

There is another thread on the board comparing the 28 to the .410 that should be read and considered before making a final decision. If the OP's father can tolerate the minimal additional recoil of a 28, that may be the better solution to this problem.
 
+1 on the Circuit Judge. If price wasn't an obstacle, I'd recommend the AT-14. AR-15 style gun in .410, comes standard with 5 rnd mags, but 15 rnd mags are available.
 
You said he had a 2-shot bolt action that he loved. If he doesn't really need a capacity of 4 shots, why not consider a double-barrel? There are many manufacturers of .410 O/U and SxS guns.

In the $500 prrice range you can get a new one from Stoeger and possibly Yildz and used ones from many different makers.
 
410 sporting shotgun

Look at the Remington 1100 sporting shotgun. Very nice shotgun with choke tubes. I shoot skeet with mine. Choke tubes in a 410 are hard to find and this one has tubes. Maybe you can find a used one in the $500 range
 
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On the Texas Gulf Coast, the most plentiful shotshells I have seen are 12 Gauge, 20 Gauge, and .410. I've seen 10 Gauge ONCE, 16 Gauge once in awhile, but never 28 Gauge. I must not be looking hard enough.

The 1100 I can't find used, and the new ones are way out of budget. The Circuit Judge, however, has the magazine capacity, and the price. Yes, it may not be the best for the job, but the most shots that will be ran through the weapon will be directed at coffee cans. This isn't so much about shotgun hunting, or rifle hunting, but provided the chance, it will be used for that. This is more for spending time with my dad. We both aren't getting younger, and I would like to spend some sunny afternoons before work out in the woods blasting away cans with my old man....without putting him in a wheelchair from the recoil.
 
For what your looking to do the circuit judge sounds like a nice choice. he might like the throw back to revolvers too, it looks classy to me. would be fun to do some plinking with a 45 too, even if its not a tack driver with the 45 it would still be fun.
 
Because while he loved the little shotgun, he didn't love when things got competitive between me and him at the range and he was forced to reload after two shots while my 870 Express that I had at the time still had 4 down the tube.
 
The circuit Judge looks like a cool gun...........but it appears to hold 5 rounds.
What is the advantage over a pump holding 6 rounds?

Is the Circuit Judge single action or double action?
 
Because then he'd be able to at least keep up when we decide to have our little "lets see who can put more lead downrange" contests.
 
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