High-Capacity .410?

[cfullgraf]

Mossberg 500 in .410 is a nice pump shotgun. I have one for a critter getter around my farm.

Not inexpensive, get a 12 ga over/under and a set of .410 tubes. Heavier gun, no recoil shells. Current tubes come with interchangeable chokes as well.

 

[6x6pinz]

I am a small bore shotgun fanatic. My Saiga 410 is one of my favorite guns for a high cap 410. It is difficult but a Remington 11-48 can be found for under $500. I really enjoy hunting with my 11-48 and with the recoiling barrel it is a very light shooter, alot like shooting a 22 rifle. Pumps are going to be the cheapest way to go for a higher capacity 410. The autos for what ever reason seem to draw larger price tags. Almost all are made in adult size just need to watch the lengths.

Don't rule out 28ga, cost of shells is identical to the 410 and availability of the shells is increasing daily. JG has them in magtech for $9 a box in hunting loads.

 

[NoobCannon]

Well, My dad and I noticed something about the Saiga, and that is that the shotgun itself seemed a tad small for him(He's a big guy, 6'4", 300 pounds). Our local gun shop had a Taurus Circuit Judge on sale before new years, but it disappeared in Stock Liquidation, and we haven't been back around since the first of the year to see if they got another in.

And I must reiterate that my dad is stubborn on the no-Mossberg rule, unless it was made at least 20 years ago. One of the first rifles he ever let me shoot was a Mossberg Plinkster that he picked up at Wal-Mart. We put 50 rounds through the rifle before the firing pin SHATTERED. He took it apart and it was made out of plastic. Not to mention I was told by a Gun Store Owner whom I trust on his word, that Mossberg shotguns in general are only good if you plan on shooting less than 50 rounds through it. I'm not here to start an argument on the quality of Mossberg products, since one of the first .410s we got for my dad was an old Mossberg bolt-action, and that little gun just would not die, no matter what load or how many boxes of shells we ran through it.

We just wanna get him something that'll hold more than 2+1.

Which brings me to another question. For the pump action and traditional semi-autos, do they make magazine extensions?

 

[JohnBT]

"magazine extensions?"

In a .410? I doubt it.

Regarding his neck. Pay the money and get a gas gun like a Remington 1100. The heavier the gun the better. Add weight to it if you have to soften the recoil even more.

I don't particularly like Mossbergs at all, but that gun store owner is an idiot.

John

 

[merlinfire]

We put 50 rounds through the rifle before the firing pin SHATTERED. He took it apart and it was made out of plastic.

Wait, for real? A plastic firing pin? Are you sure.....because that would be the stupidest thing I ever heard.

 

[LiENUS]

I've shot a couple hundred through my mossy 500A and maybe 50-75 through my 930 spx. 500A is working great still the 930 spx hasn't shot enough to truly "prove" itself but its working great too and I can assure you the 930 spx does not have a plastic firing pin, I've torn that one down far enough to see the firing pin. The 500A I doubt has a plastic firing pin either. I really don't see how a plastic firing pin could activate the primer reliably. Maybe some kind of retainer for the firing pin is plastic on the 500 and that's what he saw shattered? In which case likely a manufacturing flaw in that one gun, remember glocks have plastic guide rods and they are pretty much the definition of reliable. A proper design might include some plastic components but they'll be designed such that they don't see forces necessary to destroy them.

The only reliability issue I ever had with a Mossberg is my 930 spx got left for a month and a half with someone who was unfamiliar with it. Apparently they tore it apart and reassembled it wrong leading to a ftf situation. But once I realized what was wrong it was easily fixed with no new parts just a proper reassembly.

 

[BBroadside]

First thing I have to say is, HAIL to both of you for being persistent about shooting in the face of your dad's delicate condition. Softer men would have just given up.

Have you thought about bolt-actions? They are about the size and shape of .22-caliber rifles, and a lot of them are repeaters with 4-rounds at least, in a vertical-detachable or a tube. Western Field is in the former category. The Stevens 39 is good-looking with a 3+1 capacity. None are in production but they extant ones are dirt-cheap; some of them must be pretty well preserved.

If there is a gunsmith or other type of sage around, can you tell us if it is generally hard/easy to extend a box magazines? I've heard it rumored that "xxxx magazine can be extended with a little solder and a longer spring" but I don't know if that's a $50 job or a $500 job.

There was a Winchester 9410 lever gun a while back - I didn't see anyone mention it. Of course I salivated at that one and didn't buy it. The Circuit Judge is SO cool looking but again, is it really in my budget? My guess is, with practice you could shoot real skeet with anything except a bolt-action, but I haven't tried it.

 

[451 Detonics]

I would recommend an 1100 as well. The gas system will reduce felt recoil even more making it kick less than a pump.

 

[oneounceload]

A gas gun will typically weigh more than a pump - that reduces actual recoil.
The gas system helps extend the recoil pulse over time - that reduces the felt (aka "kick").

A gas gun that FITS perfectly will have the benefit of both. The 1100 is one that should do the trick - whether in 28 or 410

 

[bob9125]

The Browning BPS Hunter also comes in 28 gauge which might be an alternative to the .410. Both goes way about the same. The recoil is about the same, but the 28 should provide more lead on target.

 

[NoobCannon]

1) yes, the bolt-actions do provide a viable alternative for him, provided I can find a used one down here. I talked to a coworker last night about .410s, and the last bolt-action one he's seen was one that his dumb little buddies cut down and thoroughly abused, to the point of the locking lugs on the bolt breaking. A case of laugh at the little idiots, IMO.

2) He's beginning to lean more and more towards the Judge carbine, which in turn is making me take an interest in the Judge pistols...this may prove to be a fun little hobby in the making.

3) I talked to him about the 28-Gauge, and frankly, the only ones we've seen down here are the ridiculously pretty over-and-under affairs behind the counter at the gun shop that cost more than my truck did. Haven't seen much in the way of ammunition on the shelves for it, either.

4) I'll approach him about the semi-auto .410, and maybe I can talk him into a trip to the gun shop to see if they can special order one for him.

Thanks for the help guys, it's gonna feel good to get back into sport shooting with my dad again.

 

[lobo9er]

He's beginning to lean more and more towards the Judge carbine, which in turn is making me take an interest in the Judge pistols...this may prove to be a fun little hobby in the making.

they look pretty sweet to me Watch the GUNBLAST review its pretty good

 

[natman]

Don't waste your time and money on that revolver nonsense:

9 shot home security 410:

http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Guns/930/NEW/50359.jpg

Look for "SPECIAL PURPOSE SHOTGUN - 500® hs410™ HOME SECURITY" halfway down:
http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=5&display=specs

 

[lobo9er]

except he doesnt want a mossberg

 

[NoobCannon]

yeah, therein lies the problem. I tried explaining to him that the Plinkster incident was an isolated one, but you know how stubborn old guys can be sometimes.

 

[lobo9er]

yeah i do buts its about knowing what you want and being confident in what you are buying regardless of what it is guns, cars, tv's, etc. I would guess all of have certain products that we wont buy from one company or another because of a bad Experience.

 

[lobo9er]

I hope I wasnt misleading i dont own a circuit judge, its a firearm that i have been looking into since small game hunting has been become a hobby of mine. And if i find other good reviews i will send them your way, be them negative or positive. just dont want to mislead anyone.

 

[toivo]

A Remington 1100 in .410 (or even 28-gauge) is probably going to be the softest-shooting shotgun you can get. If he's into tactical, go Saiga. But semi-auto is the way.

 

[natman]

yeah, therein lies the problem. I tried explaining to him that the Plinkster incident was an isolated one, but you know how stubborn old guys can be sometimes.

Ok, if you are forced to ignore a perfect solution to the stated problem and have to buy a gun on an irrational basis, then one of the Judge variants is perfect.

But you would be a LOT better off with the Mossberg.

 

[bob9125]

I concur with natman, but I would substitute Browning BPS for Mossberg in his statement.

 

[Panzercat]

If he's the hidebound sort you're portraying him as, he'd probably get an absolute kick out of the Rossi Circuit Judge mentioned above. Yes, there are better tools for the job, but that's just a fun little gun that he'd probably appreciate.

 

[NCsmitty]

Although 410 shells do not have much recoil, a gas gun auto in 410 will be the best solution for someone sensitive to recoil.
To save money on ammo, a Mec 600 Mark V press can produce a box of 410 shells for under $4.00, if you save your fired hulls.



NCsmitty

 

[natman]

I concur with natman, but I would substitute Browning BPS for Mossberg in his statement.

The BPS is a very nice gun, but it only holds 4 shots.

BTW, there appears to be a typo on the Mossberg web site. It says the security model 410 holds 9 shots in one place, but 6 in another. Considering the 18.5" barrel, 6 shots seems more realistic.

Still a better choice than the Judge. (BTW, if you do get the Judge, be SURE to get the smoothbore barrel.)

And I must reiterate that my dad is stubborn on the no-Mossberg rule, unless it was made at least 20 years ago. One of the first rifles he ever let me shoot was a Mossberg Plinkster that he picked up at Wal-Mart. We put 50 rounds through the rifle before the firing pin SHATTERED. He took it apart and it was made out of plastic. Not to mention I was told by a Gun Store Owner whom I trust on his word, that Mossberg shotguns in general are only good if you plan on shooting less than 50 rounds through it.

There's Mossbergs and there's Mossbergs. The Plinkster is sold by Mossberg International, which, IMO, imports junk from all over the world, the 702 Plinkster being a case in point. I strongly suspect that the shotguns the gun store owner was referring to were the Silver Reserves, again from Mossberg International.

The Mossberg 500s are another story entirely.

 

[toivo]

BTW, there appears to be a typo on the Mossberg web site. It says the security model 410 holds 9 shots in one place, but 6 in another. Considering the 18.5" barrel, 6 shots seems more realistic.

Could it be the difference between 2.5" and 3" shells? That's the length of the fired case, and the unfired cartridge is actually shorter.

 

[natman]

Could it be the difference between 2.5" and 3" shells? That's the length of the fired case, and the unfired cartridge is actually shorter.

Probably not, since if I started with six 3" shells and replaced them all with 2.5" shells I'd only generate 3" extra room (6*1/2"=3"). That's only enough for one extra shell.

I'm pretty sure it's a typo, especially since it says 6 under TYPE and 9 under CAP in the same row

SPECIAL PURPOSE SHOTGUN - 500® hs410™ HOME SECURITY
6 SHOT 50359 .410 3" BEAD SIGHT, SPREADER CHOKE 9 18 1/2"

Besides, nine 2+ inch shells would be longer than the barrel.