High Court Rules Gov'ts Can Seize Property

[Simon76]

Teotwawki

Well, the proverbial Fat Lady may not have sung yet, bit she's warming up her voice, and her performance will be an Opera in the classic Shakespearian Tragedy genre. Of course, someone COULD put one between her eyes before the steps onto the stage. But then, they'd just get her backup Fat Lady to do it.

I guess we'll just have to keep shooting 'till they run out of Fat Ladies.

(If anyone doesn't get this, please PM me. I tend to lay on sarcasm and metaphore quite heavily at times.).

Saw ya!

Simon.

 

[longeyes]

Think Bush will have anything to say about this one?

SCOTUS is on a roll. Too bad they're going home. This is getting fun.

Fat ladies don't sing any more, they get elected to high office or preside, unofficially, over America from the telly.

 

[dolanp]

Interestingly enough, they announced the Texas one separately from the Kentucky on, and ruled that the Texas monument outside the courthouse had some legal and historical context and thus was okay.

I don't think the decisions themselves are public yet but that will be an interesting read.

 

[Gung-Ho]

SCOTUS is on a roll.

It's like they are trying to get a lot of their agenda through before Bush changes the makeup of the court. Question.....Once the court has more conservatives on it, can they revisit something like this on their own?

 

[Waitone]

Can anyone say with a straight face this was unexpected? Yup, what we need is an up or down vote on the Second Amendment. Yup, we need it>

 

[Derek Zeanah]

I'd go for an up/down vote on the second.

I want to know once and for all if the courts are going to protect this right, or whether we'll need to find other means.

I think a non-wishy-washy vote on the issue will save a decade, at least.

 

[dolanp]

I don't want this court anywhere near the 2nd, they have already pissed on a few other amendments.

 

[johnster999]

Freedom of the press to oppress?

Many newspapers are financially tied to eminent domain abuse. Two examples:

Back in my home town of Tulsa, the local paper has long been the propaganda arm of city tax and spend initiatives. They have a financial stake in many of the city projects currently being foisted on the all-too-trusting populace. Couple this with our spineless TV media and many recent cases of eminent domain abuse by the city have gone unreported or lightly reported.

Looks like New York Times is a big eminent domain lover too. A story from last year:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/60minutes/main575343.shtml

Excerpt:

And this isn't happening just in small towns. In New York City, just a few blocks from Times Square, New York State has forced a man to sell a corner that his family owned for more than 100 years. And what's going up instead? A courthouse? A school? Nope. The new headquarters of The New York Times.

The world's most prestigious newspaper wants to build a new home on that block, but Stratford Wallace and the block's other property owners didn't want to sell. Wallace told 60 Minutes that the newspaper never tried to negotiate with him. Instead, The Times teamed up with a major real estate developer, and together they convinced New York State to use eminent domain to force Wallace out. How? By declaring the block blighted.

“I challenge them,” says Wallace. “This is not blighted property.”

But New York State's Supreme Court disagreed and ruled that the newspaper's new headquarters would eliminate blight - and that even though a private entity (The New York Times) is the main beneficiary, improving the block would benefit the public.

Executives from The New York Times wouldn't talk to 60 Minutes about it on camera.

Nothing like an objective press.

999

 

[hoppinglark]

does anyone know where I can get a list of how each justice voted?

 

[bjbarron]

does anyone know where I can get a list of how each justice voted?

Conservatives Rehnquist, O'Conner, Scalia and Thomas dissented (voted against).

Kennedy joined liberals Stevens, Breyer, Souter and Ginsburg in favor.

Once the court has more conservatives on it, can they revisit something like this on their own?

Courts reverse themselves all the time...they did it today on something or other, and recently reversed themselves on that 'death penalty for 18year olds' ruling.

I'm not much interested in putting teeth-gritting paleo-conservatives on the court. What I would like to see is just guys who can READ THE CONSTITUTION. Want to make changes? That's what the amendment process is for.

Getting an up or down vote on the 2nd Amendment would be enticing...we would know for sure one way or another. This court would choose it a 'collective right' rather than an individual, and I'm sure the majority opinion would recommend getting rid of 2A all together. Notice that they avoid the 2A like a plague...might be interesting to think why?

Oh, and don't depend on the conservatives on the court for a good 2A ruling...Scalia may look conservative, but he believes in SC precedents (even if wrong)...Thomas is the only one that votes how the founder's language intended, an originalist.

This is constitutional ``originalism'' in pure form. Its attractiveness is that it imposes discipline on the courts. It gives them a clear and empirically verifiable understanding of constitutional text -- a finite boundary beyond which even judges with airs must not go.

And if conditions change and parts of the originalist Constitution become obsolete, amend it. Democratically. We have added 17 amendments since the Bill of Rights. Amending is not a job for judges. - Charles Krouthammer

 

[fjolnirsson]

Second: I live on a main highway in this little burg. Tourist traffic and such and lots of trucks. My idea is to build a gallows in the front yard, hang the dishonorable five in effigy in black robes and all and have a knife blade and handle protruding from each one's back. The name of each bastid would be mounted in big letters over each one and along the bottom of the gallows it would say: "We stabbed America in the back. Now justice prevails." Or some such thing. I could take a pix or two with my trusty digital Kodack and put it on the wire for the fun and frolic of all.

Anyone know of any legal reason this shouldn't be done? Then maybe we could ALL build such a rig. I do think that SCOTUS should never hear the end of this crap and neither should the rest of the country.

Sounds good to me. I have a perfect spot for this. My house faces a 12 acre public park. It's been getting a lot of use since the weather warmed up. Lots of exposure.
Anybody schooled in legalese want to weigh in on this? Ordinarily, I would say it's protected by free speech, but last week, I would have said the city can't take my house for a new minimall, too.

 

[R.H. Lee]

IANAL, but that may constitute 'making terrorist threats' under the Patriot Act(s). You might find yourself at Gitmo.

 

[2nd Amendment]

I believe I would have the knives protruding from their chests.

 

[hoppinglark]

I don't speak legalease but I think you can do it as long as you aren't promoting that someone actually go out and do it.

The websites that had the names and addresses of the abortion clinic doctors were held liable, but if they had just been paradoies I think they would have been okay. Your making a parody not a plan, to my understanding that's the difference.

 

[R.H. Lee]

You would probably be vindicated under the the 1st. But if we lived in a police state, you could be arrested, held without charges or trial, and have your assets seized.

Good thing we're Americans with constitutional protections.

 

[ravinraven]

The problem with the Ten Commandments.

The 10C create an "uncomfortable" atmosphere in a work place. Mentioning Thou shalt not lie and Thou shalt not steal where lawyers and politicians see them everyday is taumatic to these poor souls.

rr

 

[ravinraven]

"You might find yourself at Gitmo."

Probably the only way I'd ever get a Caribbean vacation.

rr

 

[Beethoven]

Since we've already been openly discussing tactics (as has been pointed out already) I'd like to add a few points of my own.

1) Buy and read Unintended Consequences and Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

UC: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...102-6737716-9180917?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

EF&D: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...102-6737716-9180917?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Both are filled with TONS of ideas, tactics, and other stuff that is more than useful and incredibly interesting.


2) Here are some other titles that I think may be of use/interest to many given our current state of affairs:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...80917?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...r/102-6737716-9180917?_encoding=UTF8&v=glance


3) Most everyone here has talked about destroying your own land, destroying whatever gets built on top of your stolen land, etc.

Why?

Why not be more proactive and defend what is rightfully yours?

Some big, rich developer rolls in and marks your property as his? How hard do you think it would be to get his home/office address?

The city "officials" that OK the whole deal: How hard you think it is to get THEIR home/work addresses?

Be proactive is my point.

 

[dasmi]

Some big, rich developer rolls in and marks your property as his? How hard do you think it would be to get his home/office address?

The city "officials" that OK the whole deal: How hard you think it is to get THEIR home/work addresses?

Not hard at all. While I am not suggesting violence against these people, it would be a relatively easy matter to make their lives uncomfortable. But, that we do no good at all unless they understood why their lives suddenly have become unpleasant.

 

[Beethoven]

Not hard at all. While I am not suggesting violence against these people, it would be a relatively easy matter to make their lives uncomfortable. But, that we do no good at all unless they understood why their lives suddenly have become unpleasant.

I of course am not advocating nor suggesting violence either.

 

[dasmi]

I of course am not advocating nor suggesting violence either.

At least not yet. It may come to that, but I hope is does not. By the way, interesting books.

 

[DRZinn]

Wow! It took me fifteen pages to catch up!

The only way to stop this is make sure that NOBODY who does it profits in the end.

Pure prescience.

La Jolla, CA, as well as the rest of the California coast, has some wonderful views of the Pacific and great access to I-5. For a developer that would be a great place to have some property condemned. Considering the high cost of coastal real estate in California, getting a bunch of it for 50 cents on the dollar would be a really good deal. Some of those homes and residents have been there a long time, meaning that they're old. Renovating this area would be good for the State coffers because Proposition 13 hasn't allowed the state to raise taxes on long term homeowners. This proposal would definitely be in the "public interest", razing this "blighted" area and increasing the tax revenue for the state -- it's time to renovate

And there's that big university up there that eats up taxes... What if they redeveloped that? Think of all the revenue that place could bring in!

Your configuration file contains settings (root with no password) that correspond to the default MySQL privileged account. Your MySQL server is running with this default, is open to intrusion, and you really should fix this security hole.

Anyone know any hackers?

This is the worst thing to come out of the Supreme Court since 1934, at least.

IS IT F--KING TIME YET?????

 

[Beethoven]

From an earlier post:

New London Development Corporation
165 State Street, Suite 313
New London, CT 06320

Phone: (860) 447-8011 -- Fax: (860) 447-3833

nonstock, nonprofit corporation, exempt from federal income tax under § 501(c)(3)


Re-organized September 1997


Michael Joplin, President, NLDC

Bio : http://www.sectwomensnetwork.org/more/m_joplin.htm
Bio : http://www.ctmainstreet.org/speakers-profiles.pdf (Page 7)

Pamela S. “Pam” Akins, Treasurer, NLDC

Bio : http://www.rotary7980.org/district/...t/pam_akins.htm


David Goebel, COO, NLDC
Christopher D. Riley, Spokesman, NLDC



SEE ANYTHING INTERESTING????

 

[dasmi]

He is a general contractor and developer living in Chester, CT, and is owner and operator of CT Valley Custom Builder. He also has interests in AME, LLC and Kipling, LLC, the owners of several significant buildings in downtown New London that he has recently renovated. Mr. Joplin has served on the Planning & Zoning Commission in Chester since 1988 and as its chair for the past four years.

Yep. Shouldn't be hard to track that guy down.

 

[mpthole]

I see they've at least changed the the websites home page. You don't get MySQL's admin page anymore.