HK UPS-C v. Colt Commander

HK USP-C v. Colt Commander

  • HK USP-C .45

    Votes: 29 34.5%
  • Colt COmmander .45

    Votes: 45 53.6%
  • HK UPS-C in another caliber (prob .40)

    Votes: 10 11.9%

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care-less,

TAKE THE SAFETY OFF!!!!!! You can engage the safety of a USP with the hammer down. In which case THE HAMMER WILL COME HALF WAY BACK, BUT WON'T QUITE FALL.!!!!!! Why would anyone shoot with the high thumb position? Just plain dumb!

This is making me wonder if you know exactly what "high-thumbs" means or what Cruiser was talking about...
 
know exactly what the "games" player technique is, know what he was describing also--just don't think he knows. Is the air thin up there?:neener:
 
Why would anyone shoot with the high thumb position? Just plain dumb!

High thumb isn't dumb, it is the correct technique.

By "High Thumb" I assume you all mean putting your thumb on the top of the frame mounted safety. If so, this is the correct way to go. If one were to place the thumb under the safety of a 1911, USP, CZ-75, etc., one could accidentally engage the safety while shooting.

In the case of the USP, no thumb position is ideal. If you go high thumb, you could decock it like Cruiser describes. If you go low thumb, you could engage the safety.
 
Deltaelite;
Would you please give me a time reference as to when all these problems with the issue H&K's were happening? Something specific like between Aug 1998 and Feb 1991 would be nice. Those dates were just an illustrative example. An anecdotal reference such as: From the time we got 'em till last Wednesday, really isn't information, you understand. Thanks 900F
 
It's a hot night. The mind races. A 17 hour flight to La Paz etched in red traces on my eyeballs. I had packed my HK USP .40S&W with its captured recoil buffer system and Peters Stahlish lock up. I had two of its priceless magazines in a futuristic custom Bladetech retention system. Sweat trickles down the small of my back, saturating my black lock-knit HK polo shirt and threatens to soak my Royal Robbins Khaki travel pants. Good thing I am carrying strong-side. My feet are resilient in my Himalayan walking shoes. I thumb the decocker--or is it the safety? I can never tell and in the thin air I vow once again to never admit to anyone it might bother me.

Against a haze of air starved bugs and the cacaphony of a strange tongue clawing its way into the oxygenless atmosphere, I feel the Hostile Environment finish on the lever of the USP where I have it hidden from prying eyes. I try to reassure myself about my beyond top secret assignment. I feel the stippled black polymer--never call it plastic--and it feels like money--or at least like a credit card chewed upon by a teething kitten.

Nevertheless I feel better now. If I ever have to shoot from the bottom of an outhouse, the inside of a fish processing ship, Pamela Lee's boudoir--any repellant place at all--I have been reassured by the Company and literally thousands of internet street pros that I carry the final say in handguns. Tension is in the air, maybe I will torture my pistol before the dawn breaks. Maybe I will be tortured myself. . . .

Thirty hours later, lost near the Rio Camblaya following the coup attempt, a welcoming smile. Thank God she spotted the epaulettes on the Norwegian ice-fishing vest concealing my USP. I climb aboard the helo on my way to my next exotic assignment, my HK having proven itself in "combat" once again without firing a shot in anger. . . .

The World of Compromise Uncompromisingly cries out to my inner poseur. . . beckoning to me to tell the world of the superiority of my sidearm.:neener:
 
CB900F,
We had the HK USP40's from 1994 until just a month ago in 2003.
The problem with the mag release was in the first year, the magazine problems and jamming were throughout the life of the weapon, up to their retirement just a month or so ago.

I don't expect anyone to believe me, it is the errornet afterall. :D

Contact the armorers at Tucson Police Dept in Tucson, Arizona.
They will be happy to tell you the problems with the HK USP weapon system.

Regards,
Mike
 
Daniel--- high thumb is not the correct technique! It is like holding your little pinkie up while drinkiing coffee. The thumb works only one way; wrapped around whatever, to get a good grip on it. Too many "Jeff Cooper Comic Book Series" readers out there. As far as new shooters reading this site for advice: I would advise "Don't". The High Road is a pretty muccy muddy ditch! It can be very comical to read all the **** if you know better, but for a beginner, it must be tough. Maybe we should all remember that.:mad: A small number just have to keep dragging everything down.:barf:
 
But the "high thumb" method works for me. It allows for a higher hold on the grip, and creates pocket for the weak hand to slip right under the safety lever in a two hand grip. Also promotes the disabling of the safety lever when engaging from a C&L position.

No chance at all to accidentally decock the pistol, which if at all, only leads to a less than ideal DA shot, just as accurate for me, nonetheless...

The low thumb method HURTS! At gripping & recoil, the weak hand thumb tends to pinch the strong hand thumb against the lever, which may actually lead to accidental locking of the safety.

BUT.. I use low thumb for single hand shooting. Allows for a stronger hold and better stability. ;)
 
Speaking of thin air at high altitudes; I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't a hard vacuum between the ears & operating on radio waves from Mars. Snrk! 900F
 
care-less- So where do you keep your thumb at then? And why?

His thumb is wetted and firmly in the breeze. He is busy determining the direction from which tomorrow's best handgun will arrive when his HK is rendered "old school" by the latest tactical hyperbole.:D

The position is known as the "ninjitsu intermediate tactical wind indicator thumb," or NITWIT for short.:p
 
Daniel, I keep my them down and wrapped around the grip in such a way that the tip of my thumb rests on the top side of the tip of my middle finger. Darn, not sure I didn't put in too many tips! Hope i described it right. All I know is that you can't hold onto anything without using the opposing thumb the way it was designed to be used. Also, high thumb often leaves grip safety not properly depressed, just barely, if at all. Oh, you can get a grip safety with a built up pad I know. Best Regards.:) Boats, I see no reason for smart alec, insulting comments; but I guess that is just the only way you know how to respond. Too bad.
 
Aw schucks, I just thought that HK owners and their pistols were bombproof.:(

I was just having a little fun with the stereotype. Nothing personal. These types of boards are already so full of latter day, Mad Dog wielding, high speed-low drag, Shaolin monks who lack a sense of humor, that I have a hard time staying serious in these disinformation "debates.":D

I apologize if you feel personally attacked by anything I have written.
 
care-less- Hmm...I see how you do it but I prefer a high grip for better recoil control. When I hold it as you describe, the gun feels really high in my grip, almost like I can't really control it as well. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
 
Boats, my apologies to you also; sometimes my sense of humor doesn't keep up with reality. Thankyou for reminding me to bring it along. Daniel Flory, it really shouldn't feel too high, I don't get that one; but as you say, to each his own. As long as we all hit the target right? :) PS: by the way Boats; I really did get a kick out of your creative writing. got to admit
 
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All I know is that you can't hold onto anything without using the opposing thumb the way it was designed to be used. Also, high thumb often leaves grip safety not properly depressed, just barely, if at all.
Perhaps high-thumb doesn't work for you. But it works for me (and many other 1911 shooters). And I've never, ever had any problem with the grip safety not being properly depressed.
 
This topic is still active? Wierd.

P.S. Everyone's grip is wrong but mine. And I'm not telling what mine is. :neener:
 
Daniel--- high thumb is not the correct technique! It is like holding your little pinkie up while drinkiing coffee. The thumb works only one way; wrapped around whatever, to get a good grip on it. Too many "Jeff Cooper Comic Book Series" readers out there.


odd. jeff cooper has fired more shots in anger than you, is responsible for more pioneering work in combat pistol shooting than you, and is only about half as condecending as you.


untill such time as a firearms company makes a pistol that actually fits my hand, i'll use the 1911, since with a short MSH and trigger, it seems to fit me the closest. (funny how such an outdated design has design elements in it that were considered "revolutionary" when they appeared on guns like the p99)
 
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