Hk91 hkg3 ptr-91 ar-10 m1a siaga fal cetme club

[Ignition Override]

15Guns:

There so many dozens (or hundreds) of serious complaints on six websites about Century CETMEs, and maybe some of their FALS (?), that I decided to instead buy a CMP Garand (my first) from a friend.

This might help explain-in addition to western "Battle Rifle" ammo costs-why so many CETMEs are available, not just at "GB" and other auctions, but at gun stores, pawn shops, and last week's Memphis gun show. It looks as if Century was probably run by bean-counters who believed in quantity over quality? I will never buy one of their products, even at a 50-80% discount.

The other factor is that reloading 30-06 (non-corr.) Greek M2 ammo should be easier than .308.

 

[15guns]

Ignition the sales lady claimed that they sell like 100,000 guns a year and don't have time to check them all out right. Yeah quanity instead of quality is their standards which is total crap to me. I bet if they went for quality instead of quanity their prices would be as a high as PTRS' is for the PTR-91. I wish someone that believes in qaulity over qaunity like me would take over century arms.

 

[ifit]

heres my FAL
before


after

 

[15guns]

Looks like most prefer a FAL over a HK91 type gun. Why do you people prefer the FAL design over the HK91 type design?

 

[Sunray]

"...for ease in optics mounting..." Battle rifles don't need optics.

 

[salvo]

15guns, the last two pictures are the same H&K91, just different furniture. That's one big plus for the G3 based rifles.

 

[Sunray]

"...It looks as if Century was probably run by bean-counters who believed in quantity over quality?..." No QC. When they were still in Canada, they assembled thousands of Lee-Enfields out of parts bins. No checking the headspace to ensure the rifles were safe to shoot. Ditto for the assorted FAL's they built with a mixture of inch and metric parts. How they've survived without being sued is beyond me.
They imported all the Cetmes.
Wouldn't touch any rifle Century had anything to do with myself.

 

[15guns]

Salvo why the change? You got bored with it? Lol.

 

[15guns]

Yeah Sunray I would never buy a century made or built gun ever. If the gun shop can't get my gun fixed right then I'm going to return it and get a saiga. I really haven't heard anything bad about those yet.

 

[15guns]

Hello FAL Lovers. I just got my cetme back today. One of the owners of the gun shop I got it from believes my gun should work right now. He said the gun smith was hammering away on it and he test fired it. We shall see. I gotta buy me a new front handgaurd pin and then a g3 mag for it. I gotta buy 20 more rounds of ammo then I'll go and see if it works right or not. Cross your fingers. Century Arms told me today that a warranty on a new gun is good for 1 year.

 

[eastbank]

i have been shooting a hesse h91 and russian vepr in 308 and they both run fine. eastbank.

 

[15guns]

Hesse? I never heard of that one. I'll google it when I have time. I might try putting a picture of mine up sometime.

 

[happygeek]

Springfield Armory NM M1A
M1 Garand (hey, it's .30 cal)



I love that M1A to death, it was my first rifle, and it might very well still be my favorite. Since then though, I've been buying rifles in calibers I can actually afford to shoot, i.e. 22LR, 5.56, 5.45. Hope to add a 7.62x54R soon.

Speaking of semi-auto 7.62 NATOs, is the FN 17S out on the market yet? Everyone seems to like the FN Mk17.

 

[15guns]

I test fired my gun again today. It jammed after the first round again. I knew that gun smith at my local gun dealer was no good. I hope I can get a exchange on it. I want to exchange it for a new saiga ak 308 win 16inch. That gun smith won't be able to get my gun right, I'm not sending my gun back to century for a new one because every new one they send me will probably be crap and I don't want to pay big money to have a good gun smith fix it right. I might was well see if I can exchange it for a saiga ak in 308.

 

[iamkris]

looks like most prefer a FAL over a HK91 type gun. Why do you people prefer the FAL design over the HK91 type design?

FAL
Pro

• reliable design
• full power cartridge
• extremely good ergonomics
• cheap mags
• extraordinarily easy to break down, field strip, clean
• adjustable gas system

Con

• sights are adequate but better A2 style sights exist
• triggers not known to be great but they can be improved

HK91/G3/PTR91
Pro

• reliable design
• full power cartridge
• cheap mags
• somewhat easy to break down, field strip, clean
• sights are adequate
  

Con

• no bolt hold open
• abysmal ergonomics - safety selector is near impossible to reach, cocking handle is in terrible place, mag release is hard to reach
• Triggers are absolutely horrible but they can be improved

15guns -- also, early in this thread, you said you can't see why anyone would spend more than $500 for a gun. I hope this little adventure with the Century CETME shows why spending a bit more for quality might be worth it. You could have spent $900 for a good PTR91 and the quality would have been on par with the original HKs. My PTR is flawless.

 

[15guns]

Umm safety lever is hard to reach? I just started using my left hand. Because with my right finger it was kind of hard to reach when my right hand was on the pistol grip. No problem with reaching it with my left hand.

 

[15guns]

The gun shop salesman told me to bring in my gun today and talk with the gun smith myself about my gun. I really doubt he can fix it. I talked with another gun smith on the phone today. He said I need to send my gun to a specialist gun smith that knows how to work on those hk 91 type guns real good.

 

[15guns]

I took my gun in after 1 p.m. today. I was standing around waiting on the gun smith to get my gun fixed. I heard a air tool once and then he fired it 3 different times while I was there. I couldn't stick around to see if he could get it fixed so I'll have to call the gun shop tomorrow and see what happened to it. FALS are good guns but I just don't like the looks of them. That's why I would never buy one. I had a ton of fun using a semi auto FAL on call of duty modern warfare 2 online on free for all matches. I only used it for one map though because most maps need a full auto gun. I used to have a xbox 360 and played that game for like 3 and a half months online until I got bored with the maps. They did come out with new maps but I knew I was gonna get bored with them again in time so I just decided not to play it anymore. I sold my stuff and decided to get another real gun. Something like the FAL I was shooting with in that game. I actually wanted a FAL at first until I seen how they looked and they are higher priced than cetmes. Anyone played Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 2 Online? Karachi is the map I used that FAL on and I used a TAR-21 that was full auto on the skidrow map. Those and the quarry were my favorite maps. I had the first Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 2 but it was for the pc and I couldn't play it online because my pc wasn't good enough and I only had dail up. I did rent that game once and played it online when I had my xbox 360. The graphics and maps weren't as good as the second modern warfare 2 but the guns firepower was more realistic than the second game. I've had many shooter games. Those are my favorite then racing games. I don't play any games right now. I did try playing combat arms online for a bit but you have to pay to get better weapons and gear. Plus you can't go prone and you can't look down the guns sights. If you have a optic or a scope you can look down that though. You can go crouch on that game to.

 

[batteran]

The FAL and the Apple... sound familiar to me.

"Occident' Kalash", a real "battle rifle"...

 

[iamkris]

Umm safety lever is hard to reach? I just started using my left hand.

Yes, it is hard to reach. The point is that you shouldn't have to use your left hand. A battle rifle that requires you to move your support hand to move the selector is not designed with sound ergonomic principles in mind.

Run your gun through a tactical course and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Carter]

This thread makes me sad that I don't have a FAL or M1A =(


I knew I should of bought that M1A Scout instead of the XCR haha.

 

[15guns]

Yes iamkris it would be worth paying the extra money for a ptr-91 rather than paying over 500 for a gun that never works right. Now I see clearly. I have seen the light. I have been saved. Praise the Lord! Ha,Ha. :banghead:

 

[15guns]

Batteran lets see you shoot that apple with your FAL at 25 yards. Ha ,Ha. Tape it and put it on youtube. Lol j/k.

 

[15guns]

I called up my local gun dealer today. The salesman said the gun smith wasn't able to get my gun to cycle right. They are going to send the gun back to Century Arms. He said that Century will fix it or send a new one. I asked him if the gun smith can check it when it comes in to make sure it works right and he said yes. I told him I don't trust Centurys work after this. I'll keep you FAL guys posted on my Century Arms Nightmares. Have a Nice Day. : )

 

[alemonkey]

Darn it you guys, I just finished my AR15 and told myself a CMP Garand would be my next buy, but now you've got me thinking about a FAL. I really like the looks of the DSA's but I could buy 3 M1's for that price. I love Ifit's with the wood furniture.

A question for the HK91 owners - I've heard they really beat up brass due to the fluted chamber. Is that true? The price of the PTR's is a lot cheaper than a good FAL, but since I reload I'd rather not have something that eats brass after one or two uses.