fallout mike
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Bull, you need to read!!! The hose clamps holds it together!!! Pay attention dude!!
hunting rifle from a mosin nagant
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Clark
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When I read of the 1" 5 shot group at 100 yards = 1 moa on the internet use net rec.guns [ before www gun forums] I started on my quest to get one. It took me years.
Everyone on the internet seemed to be able to do it, but all the ranges I visited, no one could do it. After years I found two:
1) A tall young man who never went to work, just went to the Issaquah range with his Win M70 Coyote .223, and said he could only do it with Federal Gold Match ammo and his rabbit eared rear bag.
2) The guy I mentioned above at the Tacoma Sportsman club at Puyallup, with a an old Mosin Nagant, 18X Redfield, and a horrible looking sewer pipe bore that he said he made a bore guide and a Lead lapp and lapped out a tight spot. He said he had to use Outer's Foul Out after every so many rounds.
I felt like I was on a snipe hunt. I was being tricked by the world. How could that old Mosin Nagant shoot so well?
Then in 2002 I put a Lothar Walther .257 light varmint barrel on a VZ24 and with a 40X scope, I got a 1" group and two weeks later a 0.45" group.
I have rebarelled a couple dozen more rifles since and some of them shoot even better.
At this time I do not believe nor disbelieve docsleepy's post.
I would bet even money I could shoot 2 moa with a 4X scope mounted with hose clamps and wood.
I try to keep a discipline on my posts that I do for consulting engineering:
Try to find out what they know in the most polite way.
Joshua M. Smith
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Hello,
1. Adjustable sights.
2. Shims.
3. Handloads.
4. Finn M39-type trigger (available on Gunbroker for not a lot; I make mine so I can use bearings for an even better trigger).
45 grains Varget, pulled surplus 147 grain bullets. 10 shots. Square is 1"; circle is 2". 60 yards, prone, front support, fire five, stripper clip, five more, as fast as I can BRASS, about every two seconds:
Prior to that, a 174 grain Hornady o.312" Match over 51.2 grains H4350, same distance:
These zap coyote in the vitals every time out to 200 yards. For further, I mount a Brass Stacker scout scope combo.
Josh
1. Adjustable sights.
2. Shims.
3. Handloads.
4. Finn M39-type trigger (available on Gunbroker for not a lot; I make mine so I can use bearings for an even better trigger).
45 grains Varget, pulled surplus 147 grain bullets. 10 shots. Square is 1"; circle is 2". 60 yards, prone, front support, fire five, stripper clip, five more, as fast as I can BRASS, about every two seconds:
Prior to that, a 174 grain Hornady o.312" Match over 51.2 grains H4350, same distance:
These zap coyote in the vitals every time out to 200 yards. For further, I mount a Brass Stacker scout scope combo.
Josh
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+1^, please!
Steel Horse Rider
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Good thing this place is called the High Road or you might read all sorts of insulting things....... 
It takes a bit to see throught he veil but this place is on a road no higher than any other, it is just that the ego's are much higher than most......
It takes a bit to see throught he veil but this place is on a road no higher than any other, it is just that the ego's are much higher than most......
jeeptim
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Really
Wood love to see pix
Wood love to see pix
R.W.Dale
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Back on topic somewhat here's a picture of a sporterized SCW mosin I used to own back when I collected this sort of thing
Texan Scott
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Seriously, I have seen the pics he posted when he did this... awesome, just awesome hillbilly ingenuity. I told him he's made his highschool shop teachr, wherever he is, PROUD... and I stand by my assesment.
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SmokeySam81
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Wooden scope mounts sonds pretty hinky. But my hunting hand loads do 1.5 moa on a scoped m44
Sorry. Didn't realize I'd stirred up a controversy. I'm at work and computers here won't permit me to upload the photos.
Scope front mount 2x4 slice with hole cutter hole to match receiver. Hose clamp replaces the band that commercial device uses.
Rear mount is piece of metal from home depot affixed to T-nuts in stock.
Goals were:
Spend almost no money
Leave barreled action as close to stock as possible
Ill put a 4" spread 200yd target on when possible.
Hand loads. 174gn fmjbt .3105 hornady bullet. Varget.
Fairly consistent shooter. Got two hogs. Lots of fun. Very little cost. Shot it yesterday. Very rarely cleaned. At 200 yard first shot was 3" directly below the target center. Holds pretty good zero I'd say.
And I drilled hole in wood so iron sights still usable---- this allows you to CHECK the zero fairly easily from notes by comparing the two sights while in a rest.
Scope front mount 2x4 slice with hole cutter hole to match receiver. Hose clamp replaces the band that commercial device uses.
Rear mount is piece of metal from home depot affixed to T-nuts in stock.
Goals were:
Spend almost no money
Leave barreled action as close to stock as possible
Ill put a 4" spread 200yd target on when possible.
Hand loads. 174gn fmjbt .3105 hornady bullet. Varget.
Fairly consistent shooter. Got two hogs. Lots of fun. Very little cost. Shot it yesterday. Very rarely cleaned. At 200 yard first shot was 3" directly below the target center. Holds pretty good zero I'd say.
And I drilled hole in wood so iron sights still usable---- this allows you to CHECK the zero fairly easily from notes by comparing the two sights while in a rest.
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You are not going to achieve 2 MOA at200 yards. what I consider usable for hunting is able to hit a styrofoam plate at 100 yards. With quality ammo yes, the mosin will hit a plate at 100 yards. If your only experience with a Mosin Nagant is with spam can ammo you really haven't shot a mosin nagant. Try it with ammo it was designed to shoot, 200gr or larger soft point ammo. Silver tip milsurp ammo is for suppression fire, not accuracy.
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What wood is best for scope mounts?Do you use standard hose clamps or windage adjustable?
Carl N. Brown
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Now I know what to do with my spare Weaver base and left-over 2x4 sections from my last home project. Will cable ties substitute for the hose clamp?
"You are not going to achieve 2 MOA at200 yards. what I consider usable for hunting is able to hit a styrofoam plate at 100 yards. With quality ammo yes, the mosin will hit a plate at 100 yards. If your only experience with a Mosin Nagant is with spam can ammo you really haven't shot a mosin nagant. Try it with ammo it was designed to shoot, 200gr or larger soft point ammo. Silver tip milsurp ammo is for suppression fire, not accuracy."
Sorry -- didn't transfer the photo last nite. Was late on call and then took an HOUR to get thru the line at Chicfila. Forgot. All computers here at hosp are locked out of "weApons" sites and I can't get the photo uploaded d
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1. I get two moa without that much difficulty. Apparently many others do also.
2. Handloaded Ammo. Hornady 174gn .3105 fmjbt. Varget. Front rest. Shoulder. 4x scope. (can't see target without that at 200 yard range!)
3. Suggest yellawood I used very dry looking old 2x4. Stained it afterwards.
4. Large automotive screw tightening hose clamp around wood and receiver Tighten enough to dent wood, give flat surface for rail to mount on.
5 I actually tried tyewraps--does not work
6 requires rear support to be stable enuf. Mount to stock.
If you didn't mind drilling receiver it makes it easier but I didn't want to.
Rc-- only half as accurate (or less) than my 7mmo8 or ar15 but was great fun and I have several newly minted firearm owners because of the low cost of. Mosin. Rail was about $10 and set of cheap rings.
Sorry -- didn't transfer the photo last nite. Was late on call and then took an HOUR to get thru the line at Chicfila. Forgot. All computers here at hosp are locked out of "weApons" sites and I can't get the photo uploaded d
From iPhone
1. I get two moa without that much difficulty. Apparently many others do also.
2. Handloaded Ammo. Hornady 174gn .3105 fmjbt. Varget. Front rest. Shoulder. 4x scope. (can't see target without that at 200 yard range!)
3. Suggest yellawood I used very dry looking old 2x4. Stained it afterwards.
4. Large automotive screw tightening hose clamp around wood and receiver Tighten enough to dent wood, give flat surface for rail to mount on.
5 I actually tried tyewraps--does not work
6 requires rear support to be stable enuf. Mount to stock.
If you didn't mind drilling receiver it makes it easier but I didn't want to.
Rc-- only half as accurate (or less) than my 7mmo8 or ar15 but was great fun and I have several newly minted firearm owners because of the low cost of. Mosin. Rail was about $10 and set of cheap rings.
200 yard target shot with 4x scoped cheapie mosin
Attached is a 200 yard target shot several weeks back.
174 grain Hornady FMJBT, Varget, brass from some S&B ammo I purchased.
Front rest, rear on shoulder.
( The bullet in the picture is, I believe, a Sierra .308 180grain soft point that I was planning to use for some hog hunting. They don't do quite as well in my particular Mosin, but I certainly havent done any ladder tests or really anything more than handload and try to hold the rifle still during that incredibly long trigger pull!)
docsleepy
Attached is a 200 yard target shot several weeks back.
174 grain Hornady FMJBT, Varget, brass from some S&B ammo I purchased.
Front rest, rear on shoulder.
( The bullet in the picture is, I believe, a Sierra .308 180grain soft point that I was planning to use for some hog hunting. They don't do quite as well in my particular Mosin, but I certainly havent done any ladder tests or really anything more than handload and try to hold the rifle still during that incredibly long trigger pull!)
docsleepy
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Some photos of the cheaply made mount. I had only hand tools and it was a pretty crappy job at first. With just a bit better carpentry than me, you can do much much better.
the beauty of the hoseclamp is that you can set it tight and get it out of the way. I tried to make a "band" like the commercial version, but could not figure a way to get it to stay tight. I don't have real metalworking capabilities (no mill or lathe) so I was stuck with building in wood.
Note that the piece of metal I used for the rear support is some kind of strap used in home construction, from home depot or Lowes. It has built-in ridges that give it a lot more rigidity, which is what I wanted. I bent it on a vise to make it into the shape I wanted and sawed with hacksaw to size it.
As I said, this was a crappy job. One of the mounts is taller than the other, and I ended up having to shim the daylights out of the scope and it STILL works.
Since then I've bought a drill press and a fellow at the hardware store sold me somthing to help me make square and straight cuts with a circular saw, so I just may re-do the front mount some time and make it RIGHT. But it sure has been fun.
Some photos of the cheaply made mount. I had only hand tools and it was a pretty crappy job at first. With just a bit better carpentry than me, you can do much much better.
the beauty of the hoseclamp is that you can set it tight and get it out of the way. I tried to make a "band" like the commercial version, but could not figure a way to get it to stay tight. I don't have real metalworking capabilities (no mill or lathe) so I was stuck with building in wood.
Note that the piece of metal I used for the rear support is some kind of strap used in home construction, from home depot or Lowes. It has built-in ridges that give it a lot more rigidity, which is what I wanted. I bent it on a vise to make it into the shape I wanted and sawed with hacksaw to size it.
As I said, this was a crappy job. One of the mounts is taller than the other, and I ended up having to shim the daylights out of the scope and it STILL works.
Since then I've bought a drill press and a fellow at the hardware store sold me somthing to help me make square and straight cuts with a circular saw, so I just may re-do the front mount some time and make it RIGHT. But it sure has been fun.
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CHeekrest on a budget.
3/8" bolts for pilars, aluminum cylinder stock for channels. This was a real pain to build since I didn't have a drill press and the holes had to be exactly parallel. I ended up building a jig to drill through to keep the drill in the right planes.
It is adjustable but the lowest setting suffices. Problem is you have to take it out to get the bolt out now.
Y'all have probably noted I bent the stock bolt handle with a oxyacetylene torch and then sanded it a bit to get the shine back. YOu have to heat it to really cherry red to get it to bend very well - scary. I still bang my knuckles on the scope mount. Again, this could be done much better, but it sure was fun and CHEAP. If I'm up to $200 it would be just barely! Left over 4x fixed scope from walmart on top.
CHeekrest on a budget.
3/8" bolts for pilars, aluminum cylinder stock for channels. This was a real pain to build since I didn't have a drill press and the holes had to be exactly parallel. I ended up building a jig to drill through to keep the drill in the right planes.
It is adjustable but the lowest setting suffices. Problem is you have to take it out to get the bolt out now.
Y'all have probably noted I bent the stock bolt handle with a oxyacetylene torch and then sanded it a bit to get the shine back. YOu have to heat it to really cherry red to get it to bend very well - scary. I still bang my knuckles on the scope mount. Again, this could be done much better, but it sure was fun and CHEAP. If I'm up to $200 it would be just barely! Left over 4x fixed scope from walmart on top.
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I have seen scope mounts on a M44 made from the combo dove tail/weaver mounts commonly used on a 10/22. The mount was attached to the rifle by drilling and tapping 3 holes in front of the bolt. I though it would be a disaster but it has held up for a couple years now. The M44 has been sporterized. It has a carbine style stock on it. it's not for me but my friend enjoys shooting the M44.
I have my 1930 Dragoon shooting well. The gun shot high when I purchased it. I could see were someone had already tried to file the elevation adjustment slide. So I just skipped that step and went to it with a belt sander. After sanding a considerable amount of metal from the elevation adjustment it's shooting dead on. No, I didn't get 2 moa accuracy from the rifle. But it will hit at paper plate as far as I can see it with open sights. I will leave the Mosin-Magant alone at this point. It is a capable rifle and it shoot better than most 30/30's I have shot with open sights at extended ranges. People that complain about the trigger on a Mosin-Nagant. My advice for them is to buy a tennis ball. The trigger is just fine. In fact, a couple times the gun went off with just light pressure while I was still acquiring the target. I had the same result with the M-44.
I have since discovered I have a Dragoon. The markings on the 1930 guns are confusing. Here is a picture of my 48 1/2" Dragoon. All the serial numbers are a complete match. Notice it has no 2x4 material or anything else from lumber liquidators attached to it.
I have my 1930 Dragoon shooting well. The gun shot high when I purchased it. I could see were someone had already tried to file the elevation adjustment slide. So I just skipped that step and went to it with a belt sander. After sanding a considerable amount of metal from the elevation adjustment it's shooting dead on. No, I didn't get 2 moa accuracy from the rifle. But it will hit at paper plate as far as I can see it with open sights. I will leave the Mosin-Magant alone at this point. It is a capable rifle and it shoot better than most 30/30's I have shot with open sights at extended ranges. People that complain about the trigger on a Mosin-Nagant. My advice for them is to buy a tennis ball. The trigger is just fine. In fact, a couple times the gun went off with just light pressure while I was still acquiring the target. I had the same result with the M-44.
I have since discovered I have a Dragoon. The markings on the 1930 guns are confusing. Here is a picture of my 48 1/2" Dragoon. All the serial numbers are a complete match. Notice it has no 2x4 material or anything else from lumber liquidators attached to it.
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