Hurricane EVAC Rifle?

[crowsnest2002]

Personally I would take an old Win 94 in 30-30 or maybe a marlin 30-30, anyway not many people see these as (THE EVIL BLACK RIFLE) In many cases do you ever really see gang members toteing a win 94 or marlin 30-30 around? Also I know it will be brought up that the range isnt very good with a 30-30, but a 7.62x39 isnt much better. Just my opinion.. I know they dont have high capacity mags, but if your a good enough shot you shouldnt need it

 

[DMK]

This kinda concerns me if it is an indication of stereotyping by LEO's-- especially since if there aren't as many AK's in lawful citizen's hands as AR's, the number is close.

Stereotyping someone because of what they choose to defend themselves and their loved ones with is wrong on sooo many levels.
I find it very disconcerting that any LEO or NG would negatively stereotype me for having an AK.

Now guys, don't go bashing the LEO types. He gave some good advice and his honest comments. He also did say this:

All the police I worked with and my fellow soldiers did not bother the good guys one bit after they were identified as such other than ask if they needed anything, besides, most were better armed than us, LOL.... The only people we physically searched were the ones trying to enter shelters and the ones that were giving us trouble.

I'd certainly take a hard look at anyone with any deployed gun. There's nothing wrong at all with being cautious as long as they weren't giving a guy a hassle just because of his choice of defensive weapon.

 

[glockamolee]

For an AK, I'd go the Saiga route. The saiga brown furniture is not "AK'ish...", the black furniture gives it more of a good guy look.

It is even available in .308, of course, that does not help concealability aka the tennis racket carry.

 

[Lonestar.45]

Stereotyping someone because of what they choose to defend themselves and their loved ones with is wrong on sooo many levels.
I find it very disconcerting that any LEO or NG would negatively stereotype me for having an AK./

If by "loved ones" you mean, you're with your wife, 4 yrd old, and 2 yrd old kids, and you've got an AK on your back and the only reason the LEO's question/stop you is because you have an AK and not an AR, then you might have a point.

Something tells me that kind if situation is not exactly what the original poster you accuse of sterotyping experienced.

 

[JWarren]

Lonestar.45 wrote:

If by "loved ones" you mean, you're with your wife, 4 yrd old, and 2 yrd old kids, and you've got an AK on your back and the only reason the LEO's question/stop you is because you have an AK and not an AR, then you might have a point.

Something tells me that kind if situation is not exactly what the original poster you accuse of sterotyping experienced.

reppondj wrote:

Having had quite a bit of experience in the matter, anyone we came across with an AK was automatically suspect, bottom line, no questions. Many citizens we came across were armed with just about any imaginable firearm. It was only the AK's and the really cheap pistols that really aroused our suspicion.

Not a whole lot of ways to interpret that. Sorry, but an AR is as lethal as an AK. The implication is what is the characteristics of a person that would have an AK verses an AR. An attitude like that is no better than the Brady Campaign.



DMK wrote:

I'd certainly take a hard look at anyone with any deployed gun. There's nothing wrong at all with being cautious as long as they weren't giving a guy a hassle just because of his choice of defensive weapon.

There is a HUGE difference between "taking a hard look at anyone" and

anyone we came across with an AK was automatically suspect

-- John

 

[teombe]

Honestly - I'd prefer to use a Krinkov with the stock folded, packed away in something that appears to be a backpack.

I like flying under the radar, so I wouldn't leave it up to the populace or LEOs to determine which rifle I looked the least offensive holding.

You don't get to quickly deploy it, but that's what a pistol is for.

 

[jaholder1971]

Something to think about: Some of us live in areas where bugout isn't an option.

Here in Kansas, we're cleaning up one town completely obliterated by a tornado. The town's residents got 20 minutes warning, which for a tornado is an eternity.

There's a 30 foot trailer somewhere the Incident Command Post over there full of firearms and gun safes found strewn all over the rubble.

What to carry is a good question: The better question is what are doing with the rest you leave behind????


Jon

 

[JWarren]

What to carry is a good question: The better question is what are doing with the rest you leave behind????

Well said, jaholder1971


-- John

 

[KINGMAX]

Hand guns only

 

[normal]

Remington 870. I love rifles, especially my AK, but if there is a get-out-of-Dodge situation, I would want a pistol and a shotgun. The shotgun is much more flexible than a rifle. You can load it with birdshot, buckshot, or slugs for any situation that you need it for. You can hunt pretty much any game in the U.S. with it, and it is pretty good for the 2 legged predators also. One thing to consider if you do narrow it down to AK vs. AR is ammo weight. If you go on foot, you can pack more 5.56 than you can 7.62x39. Just a thought.

 

[Tob]

If I had a good feeling my house would still be standing upon my return, I'd leave the rifles at home and only take handguns for evac. If the approaching storm was a huge one, I'd try to take every gun I owned, time permitting.

 

[DutchmanDick]

How about this one: Mauser C96, with the shoulder stock/holster. The 7.63X25 is a pretty hot round (it was the hottest handgun round available until the .357 magnum came out). There are soft point and hollow point bullets available for reloading, so the stock FMJ ammo doesn't have to be used. The gun WITHOUT the stock is fairly handy (especially in the "bolo" variations), and reliable as anything else out there assuming you've gone to the trouble to have it refurbished and new springs installed. And WITH the stock attached, you have a handy little carbine. Stripper clips are readily available, and with practice you can reload almost as fast as with a regular mag change. I wouldn't feel too undergunned with 10 rounds at my disposal. Also, the FMJ rounds will penetrate SOME body armor rated for .357 mag rounds, so an armored crook MIGHT not be quite so much of a problem (and the round is flat-shooting enough to make head-shots viable - barrel relining helps though, since many of the C-96 pistols have oversized bores). And MUCH handier than either an AK or an AR. Outdated, antiquated, and obsolete, you say? NO weapon is EVER obsolete - just ask anyone who has ever been brained with a rock...

 

[sean m]

I would think that an Inglis Hi Power with a legal shoulder stock would make a better choice than the C96. I personally would take either a Ruger GP-100 with a Marlin 1894 or a Ruger P95 and a PC9 carbine.

 

[retrieverman]

My family was in the path of Rita, but we didn't suffer as much damage than inconvenience. We were only out of power for 5 days, but I had prepared for the worst with generators, plenty of fuel, water and food. As for my arsenal, I am a "traditionalist" in terms of my home defense weapons. I have a couple of AR-15's, but I prefer my Benelli Super 90 12ga or scoped Marlin 336 30-30. They are not as apt to draw as much attention as the AR's but are just as deadly in a crisis situation. Handguns are a given for personal defense, and my ever present H&K P7M8 and S&W M38 "bodyguard" are my "go-to" guns for close range defense.

 

[rocinante]

This thread just blows my mind. Some practical advise for sure but this whole AR vs AK stuff is just absurd. To paraphrase if you choose to defend yourself with an AK you are automatic low life scum gang bang subject to immediate arrest while the citizen carrying the AR will get a snap to salute from all good Americans and a thataboy from the admiring LEOs? So in general since an AR cost more money the possessor is more trustworthy and entitled than the man who has the least expensive rifle EVEN if said weapon is just as capable of fulfillings its purpose of defending said poor smucks health and liberty? I guess I got to rethink my ideals. How about I rent a couple of john wayne movies, ape his pilgrim cowboy dudes, and use a lever rifle.

 

[Mike U.]

Just as long as it doesn't look like an AK.

What happened to that guy? I asked some rather pointed questions and haven't seen hide nor hair of him since then.

I believe this issue needs to be addressed. Hopefully he'll step up and clarify his position.

 

[joab]

To paraphrase if you choose to defend yourself with an AK you are automatic low life scum gang bang subject to immediate arrest while the citizen carrying the AR will get a snap to salute from all good Americans and a thataboy from the admiring LEOs?

I think the word you're looking for is rephrase as in twist

 

[Joe Demko]

So in general since an AR cost more money the possessor is more trustworthy and entitled than the man who has the least expensive rifle EVEN if said weapon is just as capable of fulfillings its purpose of defending said poor smucks health and liberty

?

Schmuck. It's usually spelled schmuck. Also, you want an apostrophe in there: "...poor schmuck's health and liberty." Smuck is a reasonably common surname; schmuck not so much.

 

[nemoaz]

The key in a hurricane evacuation is to not to draw too much negative attention to yourself by looking like a lawless bunch of thugs or Miami Hurricanes: http://www.miami-hurricanes.com/history/seasons/pictures/camo.jpg

 

[Mike U.]

The key in a hurricane evacuation is to not to draw too much negative attention to yourself by looking like a lawless bunch of thugs or Miami Hurricanes: http://www.miami-hurricanes.com/hist...tures/camo.jpg

Yeah nemoaz, that's a given. I imagine a great many of the Katrina victims did not really want the world to see what firearms they have, but, sometimes circumstances dictate otherwise. I'm also thinking many of those folk's houses were underwater too, so they possibly didn't really have a lot of options left to them. I hate to say this, but, I'm grateful it didn't happen here.
Especially knowing now what I know about the attitudes of the National Guard and LEOs toward my RKBA choices.

 

[JWarren]

Mike U. wrote:

What happened to that guy? I asked some rather pointed questions and haven't seen hide nor hair of him since then.

Mike, I'm thinking you won't be getting any answers anytime soon. I think your question is just being ignored.

reppondj
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-- John

 

[Mike U.]

Thanks JWarren!

It isn't surprising really. I'd wager there are quite a few people waiting to hear what he has to say for himself. Good luck on doing that without digging a deeper hole.

 

[JWarren]

No problem, Mike. I've been anxiously awaiting a response to those questions as well.

I believe this is a very important issue to be discussed. We've come to a whole new place when we are now deciding which Evil Black Rifles are intrinsicly more evil. It is deeply concerning when I hear that a LEO or military person would make those distinctions among citizens just trying to hang on and get through during that mess.


I would say that this was an example of out-of-state officials bringing their own area's attitudes and policies with them (I saw a LOT of that). However, the poster of that statement was from the area. That is even more distrubing.


-- John

 

[mbt2001]

shooting an AK in side a car or enclosed space (thinking evac rifle) can result in deafness. They are wicked loud... I like the reliability, but there are other concerns that are just as valid. Giving away your position, trauma to the ears... on the plus side, the loud sharp noise my cause thug's buddies to head for high country...

I like a folding stock AK for car travel and the shorter 10 or 20 rounds clips for tight spaces. But I must confess, I wouldn't enjoy having to shoot it while in the car.

But let's be frank, in an engangement you should ALWAYS retreat or proceed forward, not stay in the firefight. Unless of course you are at home, which is the perfect scenario to deploy the rifle. Otherwise you are firing as much for cover on through or on retreat as you are to neutralize the threat.

Evac = mobile, so stay mobile. That is the # 1 concern

Go with whatever fulfills this role best. Maybe that means getting a new rifle or modifying one you have, maybe it doesn't, just keep it at the forefront.

 

[Titan6]

Hmm,

I live in the evac path of both Rita and Katrina and lived with evacuees from both events. We even lost power for a few days from Rita...

Try to look at it from the other end. If you are going somewhere and you are going armed you need to know how you will be received. And that will depend upon you. If you show up camping in someone's driveway at 2AM pulling a patrol at port arms with your AK that will not go so well. There is little public land in Texas and the chance of you finding some and camping out is small so chances are if you pulled off onto a dirt road you are in someone's driveway (or deer lease).

If you show up at the hotel with reservations, your comfort gear in tow and your favorite peace maker slung over your shoulder you won't get a second glance (unless it is a truly nice piece).

Better to plan ahead of making one third the distance on the same amount of fuel and time and plan where you need to stop from there. Otherwise you are just another refugee and we won't know a thing about you except you can't plan ahead worth a darn and you have a gun. Shortsightedness and firearms are a bad combination. It kind of implies you don't know what you are doing or even you know what you are going to do next. I will also note that firearms sales for SD weapons were quite brisk just prior to Rita out here. So there is a possibility you could be facing a nervous farmer or ranch hand with a new gun he just bought yesterday to drive off inner city looters.

But I have wandered. AK vs AR? What difference does it make? So far as weapons go they both have advantages and disavantages. I like the AR a little better but they are both good weapons. Problem is with the AK though, you will make some of the military guys uneasy with the AK. We are kind of you know, trained to shoot at the guys with the AK's. Same as the LEO's to a degree. A lot of LEOs use AR's, I don't know of a single department in the whole country that uses the AK, although there might be one. If things get hectic and they see a man running and shooting with an AK you might not want it to be you. You can call this gun bigotry if you like, it is just the world we live in.