I think I bought my last Remington.

[jbkebert]

I purchased a 700 CDL a couple years ago. i had asked to drop the hammer on the rifle i was looking at but Gander Mountain refused to let me. So i bought it anyway. The trigger broke at a Michael Jackson creepy 9.28 #'s. i called Remmy and way told this was well within spec. So i spend another $275 on a jewel trigger. Since this lawyer proof POS can't be adjusted. Gun has a nice trigger but even with hand loads will not shoot under a 3.5 MOA group. So I send the gun off to be bedded, and the chamber reamed, bolt face lapped, yada yda. Now i have more money wrapped up in this crap gun. Than i would a brand spankin new Cooper. After $1850 it will shoot a 1 3/4" group with handloads.

I got pissed off and sold the gun for $1,000 just to keep it from stinking up my gun safe.

I have a few 700 bdl rifles from the late 1950's to mid 1960's. All are works of art and shoot like dreams.
all of my 870 wingmaster shotguns and my 1100 are from the 50's-70's and all are great guns. Like the pre-64 Winchesters Pre 1990 Remingtons will become more and more soughtafter.

I would not trade a bottle of warm deer pee for a new remington anything. or a new Marlin now that remington is screwing them up. At least the deer pee might prove usefull during deer season.

Savage, T/C, Cooper, Tika, Browning, are all still pretty darn good guns and will continue to earn my $$

 

[jbkebert]

I have owned 3 Marlin model 60's over the years. All of which proved to be unreliable jam-o-matics. Pretty accurate but the actions left alot to be desired. The 336 line seems to be a pretty good gun. I have purchased 2 for the novelty of them. They do not see a lot of shells through them or feild time but pretty good guns. The model 1895 guide gun has been a nice little peice and no complaints. However if I know remmy they will start nitpicking each and every part of the gun. If a important screw cost them .04 cents each. They will search and search until they can find a supplier to make them for .03 each. Not giving a care wether or not it is of the same quality. They will squeeze each and every 1/2 cent they can for profit and end up with what Remington arms has become today. Crap.

So many American companies have fallen into this way of thinking. Ford, Chevy are just as bad. Some dummy that doesn't know a thing about firearms or trucks. Got his MBA and wants to prove how smart he or she is and how much money they can save the company. Saving money is great but not at the cost of quality. Its a hard sell to working folks who are watching their money to explain why they should be willing to spend more money. In my remodeling business I make no excuse for not being the cheapest. I have no desire to be the cheapest. I do a darn fine job and that cost money. You can't make things cheaper without cutting something out. Remington needs to realize this. I don't care if its cheaper I want better and am willing to pay for it.

 

[jbkebert]

Here is part of the problem a smaller part but a problem. Why does one need to polish a chamber, or bed a stock, or true a bolt face. People go on and on about advances in technology and cnc machinery, and laser accuracy. If all of this is true and available there is no excuss that each and every part does not fit to amazing specs.

Where is the pride in workmanship in guns today. In a world of tacticool crap folks are missing out on what fine firearms once were. I would be embarresed to be a field rep for half of the firearm companies these days. I have seen supposed custom cabinet companies with a fit and finish that are truely horrible. How does one show this type of work off and act proud of it. I have seen some of the new BDL and CDL models where I could make cleaner curves with square legos. It is beyond comprehension how they even begin to tout quality. A few years ago Winchester model 70 rifles when working the bolt you could hear metal grinding on metal and it felt like working the bolt against fine sandpaper. Have we as shooters come to accept this as a well built firearm? There was a time folks admired a gun as a work of art now they are judged by how big of a scope is sitting on top.

 

[J.R.W.]

It seems that the pride in anything is gone as of late. My generation seems especially guilty of this. Maybe that's why I'm so upset. I'm 24 and take a great deal of pride in my work as an automotive technician. Granted, I do work in a foreign specialty shop, but it seems that most of my friends could care less about the quality of their work so long as the job gets done. I'm hoping to hear something worthwhile tomorrow from Remington, but I really doubt that's going to happen. My local shop is on vacation this week, but next Monday, I'll be ordering the Savage. I'm not sure what to do next in regards to Remington. I wish that there was an avenue to pursue beyond ranting on the internet. From everything I've read, they no longer have the M24 contract as the new rifles are being built on a semi auto platform. I'd hate to see another historic name go under, but quite frankly at this point they deserve it.

 

[CZguy]

Have we as shooters come to accept this as a well built firearm? There was a time folks admired a gun as a work of art now they are judged by how big of a scope is sitting on top.

It's a sad, but unfortunately accurate observation.

I avoid new guns whenever possible.

 

[Elbert P . Suggins]

Okay, three months ago I bought a Remington 700 VTR in 308. I mounted a 16 power Super Sniper on it. I haven't had a chance to shoot it except breakin on a hill side and haven't sighted it in yet. What do I look for with this particular rifle as far as poor workmanship? Are all Remingtons a POS or can they produce one on occasion that meets expectations? The only other Rem I own is a 38 vintage 1903 with a C stock that anyone would be proud to own.

 

[Horsemany]

What do I look for with this particular rifle as far as poor workmanship? Are all Remingtons a POS or can they produce one on occasion that meets expectations?

Most of the problems encountered are with the cheapest SPS line of 700s. I have some very expensive rifles and am still satisfied with the higher end Remmys. In fact some of the newest ones are the most accurate 700's I've owned.

 

[sansone]

avoiding all new guns is a bit extreme, there's LOTS of really fine guns out there.
also the higher-end remmys are coming out very nice.

 

[Elbert P . Suggins]

I paid around $700 new for this Remington 700 VTR which has a triangle barrel with the muzzle break cut into the end of the muzzle. 5-R tactical rifling with 1 in 11 twist. I assume it is one of the top end Remingtons. At least it looks nice cosmetically. Kind of cool actually.

 

[Elbert P . Suggins]

"Most of the problems encountered are with the cheapest SPS line of 700s". SPS meaning Special Purpose Synthetic, so does that mean my synthetic stock tactical falls in that category? Seems like everytime I turn around lately I make a poor choice and now I am worried about my latest purpose. I have bought 8 Mosins, a K31, and an AK the last couple of years which are all good shooters and dependable and now the first time I buy a new Remington it could go henchit on me. Somebody make me feel better so the whole week ain't shot down the tube.

 

[CZguy]

Somebody make me feel better so the whole week ain't shot down the tube.

Sure, ignore what you read on the internet, and decide whether or not you like it.

 

[herkyguy]

My first long gun was a Remington 870 - it can eat clay pidgeons all day long. not the prettiest, but it works every time. Very reliable bot not a showpiece.

Then I bought a Remington 700 .308 tactical. Out of the box it shot MOA. Have never had a problem with it. Good looking gun.

THEN I was so happy with Remington I bought another 870 short barrel and after bringing it home, it turned out to be the worst put-together piece of junk I have ever purchased. Took me days just to disassemble and then even more time to put it back together. Horrible quality control. pieces jammed together, rough edges, and parts out of spec.

Bottom line: I would not recommend Remington due to what appears to be a serious problem with quality. They are still capable of putting together a good working gun (my 700 is a perfect example), but they send things out from the factory that are horrible from time to time and that is unacceptable.

 

[doorman]

Wow, I bought my Rem 700 CDL .270 in 2009. I guess I lucked out because it was very clean with crisp smooth edges on all contact surfaces. I have not lost an animal with this rifle and will average .67" with handloads at 100'.

 

[PCCUSNRET]

"Somebody make me feel better so the whole week ain't shot down the tube.

I bought a .308 SPS "Tactical" from a fellow here on THR and it is one of the best "shooting" rifles I own. I don't particularly care for the rubbery stock, but everything else on the rifle is just fine. I purchased a 700 300 Win Mag 2nd hand from a Pawn shot last year and I practically had to beat on the bolt to get it opened (found out there was rust in the chamber and for $100 Remington polished the chamber and it works just fine now).:banghead: I also bought a new Model 700 XHR (Xtreme Hunting Rifle) in 7mm magnum but ended up sending it back (twice) to have some major burs removed from the chamber. It now shoots just fine, but talk about being aggravated. My last purchase was a 700 B & C in .243 and I'm still trying to develop a decent load for this rifle. The throat is so long on this gun that there is no way to load close to the lands. I will probably end up giving up on this one and either having it rebarreled or get rid of it. I really don't want a rifle that I can't shoot reloads. It is a real nice "looking" gun but the best I can get with it is 3" groups @ 100 yds using either reloads or factory ammo. The barrel is so thin that I have to wait 5 to 10 minutes between shots for it to cool down enough to get 3" groups. If not, they go all over the place. So out of 4 Remington's I purchased within the last 24 months, 3 needed (or still need) some work. The only one that didn't was the .308 SPS "Tactical". I can't blame Remington for the rust in the 300 Winchester (gun wasn't properly cleaned before being stored. I guess I'm batting 500 when it comes to Remington during the past 2 years.

 

[godale]

i thought the remmy sps replaced the remmy 700 adl. now those adls even without the hinged floor plate were great rifles for the price.i have a friend who bought a adl 243 the same time i bought my model 7. bothe rifles have been great. this was in 2003 though alot has changed since then though

 

[DIM]

Jeff, do you want me start talking about Savage specially LRPV and LRP ;-) I can because I tried them both. I bought Remington 700 SPS Varmint last year, this thing is 200% better then the Savages I bought this year... Chamber in LRPV wasn't polished it was chewed up by a reamer so the shoulders...

 

[PCCUSNRET]

Why does a person "need" to polish a chamber? Because ONE brand of shells would stick in that chamber. That 30 seconds I spent polishing that chamber is not the bane of my existence. I survived that terrible ordeal.

I tried 3 different bands of ammo in that 300 Win Mag before giving up. I had inquired in the "gunsmith" section if polishing the chamber was something I could do and was told I could really screw up the gun if I polished it too much. That was enough for me to send mine back to Remington and let them see if they could figure out what was causing the brass to stick after it was fired. I couldn't see any rust, but that is what I was told had caused the problem.

 

[DIM]

Parker, get soot from the candle on the brass when you cycle the bolt tight spots will have carbon residue, all you have to do is work on this spots... But its to late, they got it fixed...

 

[DIM]

Remington shotgun, hmmm I got 870, its fixed now, but on the first shell it failed to extract, but it was ejector slide rail which was broke, so I couldn't pull pump back...

 

[J.R.W.]

The newest info from the horses mouth:

John:

Our bolts are Machined Steel. If you choose to send your rifle in, your accuracy is not affected by a bolt repair. Please provide your mailing address so that I may send you a prepaid shipping label to return the firearm to the factory.

Thank you.

I'll not be sending my SPS Tactical back in. I'm done with them all together. To send it back, I'd have to reinstall the factory trigger and stock. I'll see it back faster if I spend $85 to have a gunsmith drill and tap the bolt for an insert or buy the Holland oversize pin and do it myself. I'm grateful for all the responses as it really opened up what seems to be a broad spectrum problem. Thanks again.

John

 

[Art Eatman]

Seems to be a good finale to all this...