I Was about to get the LMT AR when...

[Eightball]

If you like the rifles you bought more than you'd like an AR, then you made the right decision.

Agreed. From a purely "investor" point of view, I challenge the economics of your decision, but from a "shooter" point of view--buying the thing you like will always win over buying something that may otherwise just "make sense." I've done it a few times in life with relatively expensive things, when I went in thinking I was going to get one thing, walked out with something different (car, a firearm or two, what have you), and I'm STILL happy with my decisions.

 

[karz10]

these threads remind me of the harley vs goldwing, harley vs sportbike, or glock vs 1911 threads on other forums...

just go shoot something and ride if you can!

karz

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

The EBRs aren't supposed to have a soul. That's the problem with them, they swallow your soul, and leave you with a parkerized black heart and an evil high capacity mind. They turn your into a soul-less monster who can think of nothing more fun than shooting up a mall or school. At least that's what the brady bunch said...
They should know, being so into guns and all

 

[.38 Special]

The poster has suggested in other threads that most of us who own AR's and AK's don't choose them over older-style guns on their merits, but own them because we are fulfilling Walter Mitty-esque fantasies or are Rambo wannabes (never mind that Rambo was before my time).

Technically, it isn't "most", it is "many", and based both upon my experiences in the field and here at THR, I stand by my opinion. Whether or not you include yourself in that group is up to you.

There is most definitely an age correlation with EBR ownership, in that shooters under age 40 are both more likely to own modern-looking carbines, and are more likely to own gaming consoles, but that's a generational thing, not causation.

In your opinion. Mine is different. Hopefully you don't find that insulting.

 

[MTMilitiaman]

In your opinion. Mine is different. Hopefully you don't find that insulting.

Wrong "I" word. I don't find it insulting, just curiously and appallingly ignorant.

I was twelve years old when the original AWB was passed. It was very influential to me, and was the single driving force that catapulted me into the gun control debate. By the time the bill sunsetted in 2004, I had lived almost half my life under its shadow. Forgive me if I'll spend most of my current time trying to get my hands on as many of the things as possible. But somewhere along the way, I discovered they are fun, and a large piece of me enjoys pissing off all those who say I shouldn't own them.

Now, I also just finished playing the new Call Of Duty, "World At War," through for the first time on one of the harder difficulty settings. I must say, I liked rocking the AK or G3 in Call Of Duty 4 more. But my interest in FPS comes from my interest in guns in general, and my preference for FPS with realistic weapon modeling of modern assault rifles comes from my preference of those rifles in real life, not vise versa. So correlation does not equal causation, and in fact, assuming that most or even many of us only like modern semi-automatic clones of military assault rifles because we've seen them in video games is actually bass-ackwards and 180 degrees from the truth.

As for the OP, the practical side of me says that even without a real use for it, if you had bought the LMT, you'd likely be able to sell it for a healthy profit in ten years or so, and in doing so, find your way into several other guns you'd find more enjoyment or use out of, provided you didn't fall in love with the thing and end up with about a dozen different uppers for it (that seems to happen to some). So in terms of actual investment, I think the LMT makes more sense. However, if you are more into immediate gratification, and find more short-term use from the firearms you did purchase, then more power to you. I am sure the LMT will find a nice warm home anyways, given the current political atmosphere. Everybody wins.

 

[Javelin]

Now go back there and get that LMT.

 

[.38 Special]

The posts along the lines of "Well, I'm a young male who plays a lot of video war games, and I also think assault rifles are really cool!" aren't exactly making me rethink my opinions. FWIW.

Here's your thread back, Cowboy.

 

[the foot]

Arm yourself as you see fit.

The weaons Infidel C chose to buy are serviceable HD weapons, especially in the hands of a competent marksman.

Most of us will never face an Alamo style assault, and will never be required to fire at a high rate for a long period of time. Which, for me, lessens the importance of AK or AR etc etc.

 

[Trempel]

I've finally convinced myself that weapons have no soul, period. They're mechanical devices that are fun to shoot and tinker with, but soul? I don't think so. Anyway, it's a free country and if you want to talk to and play doctor with your rifle, go at it.

 

[Paladin_Hammer]

AR's are overrated.






















Yes I'm an AK owner.

 

[pbearperry]

Maybe it's just me,but the .223 just does not appeal to me.Every AR 15 I have shot out of the box felt foreign in my hands.I think their triggers are lousy.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

Now, I know a lot of you are gonna say that an AR is what I need for the fit hitting the shan situation. You're right. But, I think that since I'm not SWAT trained, if I'm ever in a situation where the advantages of having an AR over an 1894 are important, then I'm the deciding factor and the equipment will be moot. The leverguns are more likely to force me to be a rifleman.

I'm not sure where that misconception comes from. How many riflemen in the military or marksmen units in law enforcement train on lever guns? Marksmanship has very little to do with the type of rifle you use. You apply marksmanship skills to whatever firearm you use. You don't get imbued with marksmanship depending on what firearm selection you make. The concept that you have to be someone in SWAT is nothing more than pop culture stereotype.

I suspect this is a taste bias or lack of knowledge, and I don't mean that in an insulting manner. A hunter at work scoffs at my owning a couple EBRs and calls them machine guns, and says he has no need for one unless he wants to put on a trench coat and mow down a school, even though Remington makes an AR in camo for varmint hunting and ARs have been used in hunting and competitions for decades.

I could make similar statements, saying that I don't need a lever action unless I plan to mow down native americans and buffalo in the wild west or become a vigilante outlaw. It's easy to make up negative stereotypes on subjects you have no interest or knowledge in. Please don't repeat negative stereotypes based on nothing as it's harmful to the overall cause of the firearms community.

I also realize this might be a generational thing. 50 years from now, young people are going to scoff at EBR owners and their "stupid black rifles" while they're playing with the latest and greatest laser rifles.

 

[dmazur]

50 years from now, young people are going to scoff at EBR owners and their "stupid black rifles" while they're playing with the latest and greatest laser rifles.

Perhaps. The way things are going, there may be "maximum mw" restrictions, built-in inclinometers to prevent shooting up and injuring birds, and further restrictions that only allow LEO's to wear mirrored clothing. Generally, I find predictions of laser weapons future capabilities to be "incoherent". ( )

 

[stubbicatt]

Good choice. Don't forget that you can shoot cast bullets through that lever actioned rifle!

I love the smell of alox in the morning... it smells like... recreation.

 

[RP88]

considering the price of an LMT as it was before the election, not to mention what it could be now - I can't say that I could blame you, either.

 

[Infidel Cowboy]

Thanks for all the comments folks! I left the store thinking I would go crazy waiting for the 1894, but it's kinda cool knowing I have a brand new rifle and another on the way. Even if the decision turns out to be a mistake, I figure any mistake that nets me two extra rifles can't be that bad

CesiumSponge: by saying that the levers would more likely force me to be a better rifleman, I was referring more to my deficiencies than the AR's. Perhaps I should've been more clear. I shoot my revolver a bit better than my pistol simply because it's tough for me to take my time with the pistol when it'll throw rounds downrange so quickly. I end up getting caught up in quantity over quality. Since I know I have this issue with handguns, I can only imagine that an AR would create an exponential discipline problem for me. It is my suspicion that with the levers it will be easier to maintain self control

Stubbicatt: Help a new guy out please. What benefits are there to cast bullets? Something to do with reloading? I hope to close that circle some day, but have no knowledge of it presently.

Can't wait for my son to bring home his first 40mw plasma rifle

 

[atlanticfire]

All this talk of games, where is the love for the best one. . . Counter strike duhh I know its old but its still the only one I like. And yes, there is a nice AR and a nice AK in it, so there!

 

[MTMilitiaman]

I didn't discover Counter Strike until I was in college, by which point I was already a pretty big fan of the AK. God knows I spent an unholy amount of time on that game my freshman year. Hours and hours...

How some can suggest I like AKs because I play them in video games when I liked AKs before I ever played them in video games, I will never know. I guess that is what passes for deductive logic these days...

 

[atlanticfire]

Let’s just say that I've been into guns a long time. I've always had ones that I like more than others. A video game would never influence that. And yes, I think for some time I had to enter CS addiction rehab. I was told I was too old for that game . awww

 

[Cesiumsponge]

Since I know I have this issue with handguns, I can only imagine that an AR would create an exponential discipline problem for me. It is my suspicion that with the levers it will be easier to maintain self control

That is quite true, at least in the beginning. Everyone probably tries to bumpfire at least once when they get an AR...then realize they just emptied $15 of ammo in 3 seconds. As long as you buy what you want, that is what's important! No point in buying derringers or an AR if they don't appeal to you!

Anyhow I don't think video games are any more an evil influence than Hollywood. How many people bought a 44 magnum revolver because of Dirty Harry? Guns are glamorized everywhere and video games are just another medium for shameless advertising.

 

[dmazur]

I believe the renewed interest in the Garand was more or less related to modern WWII movies such as "Saving Private Ryan", and video games like Call of Duty, which I think won a couple of awards.

All of this, shooting steel plates, Cowboy Action Shooting, IDPA, etc. is supposed to be just a hobby. Sometimes there is supposed to be a side benefit, such as IDPA improving self-defense abilities (well, provided you actually use the pistol you carry for competition...)

However, most of it is just plain fun. And there can be different types of fun. I will admit there is a different kind of satisfaction between achieving a small group and blowing up a milk jug full of water.

 

[Safety First]

We all have our favorites, don't we....that said.... I am waiting on a phone call from my local gun shop that the LMT he ordered for me in mid October is anxiously awaiting me to pick her up. Is the LMT going to be my favorite weapon? Probably not but the jury is still out on that one. Enyoy the guns you bought and don't look back. If later you have that nagging feeling for an AR, the LMT would be a great choice....Happy shooting....

 

[kwelz]

To each their own. To me an AR has more "soul" than most Bolt or Lever Guns I have handled.

 

[Infidel Cowboy]

Got called into work today. No range time this weekend. Best I'll be able to do is take the 1894 to the pistol range if I"m lucky

 

[gyp_c2]

ha...

...just as long as you don't give them girly names... or call it... a she......