If DC Loses:"We Go to Plan B" Say City Officials

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There has already been some scuttlebutt about DC trying to set up "Gun-Free" perimeter zones around schools, churches, daycare centers, liquor stores, you name it.

A Back-Door approach to a "Gun-Free" city.

Hey....the handgun ban has only been in place for the past 32 years.......right?

Maybe they just need a little more time for ALL the bad guys to get with the program...............:banghead:
 
No, there is a federal ban that is based on the Commerce Clause. All the Lopez decision said is that you can't just say "Commerce Clause" and regulate whatever you want. So Congress went back and elaborated their findings on the issue of interstate commerce and gun-free school zones and passed a second law.
I stand corrected then. I was unaware of that.

Just how did they manage to circumvent Lopez?
 
"If DC Loses, 'We Go to Plan B' Say City Officials"

Too late. Their mothers needed to use Plan B® about nine months before they were born. :neener:
 
"There's just this really anxiety-producing proposition on what would we have if we relaxed these laws," said D.C. Council Chairman Vincent C. Gray, a Democrat. "We'd have to evaluate the court's decision, then look at what revisions in our own statutes would allow us to have the maximum restrictions on guns in the District."

He should go live in comunist China for a few decades.
 
Back in the days of CP/M computers, I used to sign on to a local board in the Washington, D.C., area at a breathtaking 300 baud. For the most part everyone got along, but when I stated my opposition to D.C. home rule, I thought a war would break out. Many took my side, but one fellow, a guy named "Tad" really blew his stack.

I think what got me in trouble was when they were discussing statehood, and Tad asked if I believed in statehood. I said, nah, I didn't even believe in home rule because I'd always been taught the nation's capital belonged to everyone...in all 50 states. Why should those who live there get to decide laws that would affect everyone else?

Well, I had a lot of defenders, but the controversy nearly shut down the board. The system operator (SYSOP), I think, was on my side, but he was literally swamped by a bunch of tree-hugging Kaypro users, whilst the more intelligent Zorba and Osborne computer users were holding on for dear life. But I used the gun law as an example of local tyranny.

Now those corrupt city officials are thinking how they're going to sidestep a legal decision in the event it doesn't go their way.

I can't be too hard on them this time, though, because we, as gun owners, will support the ruling if it's in our favor. But if the court finds in favor of the "collective" interpretation, then we, quite frankly, won't recognize it, either. We KNOW what the founders meant when they wrote it and we'd like it if the court agrees. But if they don't, it will be the beginning of a long period of adversarial relations between constructionists and Stalinists...er...I mean the opposition. And frankly, I liked Andrew Jackson's response to a court decision in his day: Who asked 'em?

Anyway, we shouldn't be too sure we're going to win this one. Some of those justices ardently believe in a "living" Constitution.
 
their plan B has probably been in place since a few months after the circuit court's decision. i predict that within 7 days of the decision on Heller, DC proposes, votes on and passes various other types of gun control law in the city council such as no transporting a gun outside the home, denying business permits for gun stores in the district, making it illegal to import a gun from out of state into the district etc. Heller will likely be a very narrow ruling leaving DC many means to skirt the SCOTUS yet still make it nearly impossible to get a gun in DC.

Bobby
 
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DC said:
For example, machine guns and sawed-off shotguns are illegal in the city; drug addicts and convicted felons are barred from buying or possessing guns; and it is against the law for unlicensed gun owners to possess ammunition.
I object to those being considered as offenses of the same kind.

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If citizens of that place have no FFL within the District of Columbia, they will not be able to purchase handguns ..., since you have to get them within your state of residence (I'm guessing that for these purposes DC is treated like a state).
As far as I know, there are no FFLs in the DC area. Because of this, DC residents are allowed to purchase firearms in neighboring states and transport them home. This is how some residents get "illegal" unregistered handguns. However, if you use an unregistered handgun for justified defense in your own home, you'll still be charged by the city for illegal possession.

I guess, since DC isn't a state, the reasoning relies on you not technically transporting a handgun into your state of residence.
 
DC residents, do yourself a favor and move here to Virginia

Didn't you hear? You Virginians are the problem with DC. If DC could only ban the importation of firearms from your state or ban firearms altogether, gun detahs would go to zero.
 
Of course, SCOTUS tends to look darkly at parties who plan to circumvent their rulings before they rule.....like they're the supreme justices or something.....

....they may put out a ruling that takes care of DC's Plan B, C, and D just because they can....

You mean like, licensing and registration are ok as long as it's equivalent to registering to vote: no fee can be charged, and it's shall-issue if you meet the criteria. Imagine the screams from the DC City Council and Mayor Fenty. :D
 
Imagine the screams from the DC City Council and Mayor Fenty
You won't have to imagine it, Hollywood will record it and replay it in every horror movie made for the next 10 years. Good "natural" anguish like that is hard to duplicate. :D
 
Of course, SCOTUS tends to look darkly at parties who plan to circumvent their rulings before they rule.....like they're the supreme justices or something.....

....they may put out a ruling that takes care of DC's Plan B, C, and D just because they can....
I'm wondering to what extent the justices are aware of the good mayor's comments.
 
I imagine there will be a rise in violent crimes in states surrounding D.C. within months of the ban being repealed. Criminals will see the rush by the citizenry to arm themselves and decide there's a lot safer places to make a living.

Another thought: Can you imagine how many different languages they'll have to print the firearm paperwork in, in D.C.? It's nearly impossible to find a cabbie or 7-11 employee there that speaks english.
 
Just how did they manage to circumvent Lopez?

Pre-Lopez they had just said "No guns around schools. Commerce Clause. Thank you." and the Court did not like that.

Post-Lopez they went into detail with a bunch of questionable findings explaining how they arrived at the determination that this was a Commerce Clause issue and the Court accepted the second version.
 
There's at least one FFL in DC. Josh Sugarmann, of the Violence Policy Center, has one.
 
As far as I know, there are no FFLs in the DC area. Because of this, DC residents are allowed to purchase firearms in neighboring states and transport them home. This is how some residents get "illegal" unregistered handguns. However, if you use an unregistered handgun for justified defense in your own home, you'll still be charged by the city for illegal possession.

Can't buy handguns out of D.C., per federal law. DC has a permit process for buying certain longguns out of DC.
 
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Post-Lopez they went into detail with a bunch of questionable findings explaining how they arrived at the determination that this was a Commerce Clause issue and the Court accepted the second version.

Don't think it has ever been challenged, if so the Supreme Court has never ruled on it.
 
"There's been a lot of discussion on where we ultimately go," Chief Lanier said. "We have to react as reasonably as we can to protect the citizens of the District."
Now wait just one minute!
1) I thought the Police were a reactive force and are not obligated to protect anyone.
2) How far does the citizenry go along with this nonsense expecting the "State" to take care of them?
3) Can you say "Condescending"?

Makes me want to :barf:.
Why on earth would a reasonable adult want to live in D.C.? :confused:

Poper
 
I would expect DC to become absolutely draconian in the zoning requirements regarding firearms related businesses. If citizens of that place have no FFL within the District of Columbia, they will not be able to purchase handguns (and depending on how they do it, long guns), since you have to get them within your state of residence (I'm guessing that for these purposes DC is treated like a state).

I wonder if you could get a C&R FFL in DC? Then you could get around the zoning requirements for an FFL business, and you could always bring in your guns when moving in from out of state. There are plenty of fine handguns available that are C&R.

Well, imagine being one of the first to actively use an FFL in DC...
I wonder if that would effect the VPC's FFL.

You should call up the VPC and ask them the best way to go about getting an FFL in D.C. (they have one.)
 
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