Illegal immigration and national consciousness

[wingman]

The numbers are insignificant. A population growth of less than one-quarter of one percent per year due to illegals is not statistically significant. It's a zit on bacillis on a flea on a horse!

It is good most of America disagrees with you however you do have people
who hire illegals on your side.

Also of note most second generation Mexican-Americans I know and work
with disagree with your views and want the border closed because they
understand it is hurting there familes also.

It is necessary for us to view American as our home not unlike your private
home which you would not allow strangers in to stay overnite, this is not
'rocket science", just common sense, controlled, limited, legal immigration.

 

[shecky]

Illegal immigration is the result of supply and demand. The US demands cheap labor and people are crossing the border illegal to meet that demand. This is a strength of capitalism, not a weakness.

With unemployment below 5%, it's difficult to make a case that these millions of illegal immigrant are actually hurting the economy more than helping.

Depressing wages? How many people here have more than one gun? More than one TV? Car? Computer? America is so economically depressed, we're all fat from doing nothing but sitting on our butts while enjoying all our nice diversions.

This is like all the folks whining about WalMart coming to town, killing small mom and pop businesses. At the same time bringing lower prices for everyone overall. Economic prosperity shouldn't be treated like a zero-sum game. For someone to be successful doesn't mean it comes at your expense.

 

[RealGun]

U. S. Population as of today is 297,884,765.[1] Total immigrants arriving in the last year represent 0.4397% percent of that total, of whom a bit over half are illegals: 0.2349% Hardly a "flood!"

I don't see this as good math or a good argument. The number is made small by comparing yearly influx to total population, kind of "apples and oranges".

The problem with the argument comes when you try to explain how a small percentage of the population sends 16 billion dollars a year to Mexico, and that this is so important to the Mexican government that they have an official bureaucracy to manage and encourage it.

 

[shecky]

It is necessary for us to view American as our home not unlike your private
home which you would not allow strangers in to stay overnite, this is not
'rocket science", just common sense, controlled, limited, legal immigration.

And who should "limit" immigration? The government? Since when is the government so good at doing anything?

Illegal immigration already has limits. The free market will impose limits if and when it can no longer support a illegal immigrant population when jobs become scarce.

 

[longeyes]

Nations have borders. Nations have political and cultural identities. Nations have laws.

The numbers alone are not the issue.

That said, the numbers are impressive--negatively. Relying on the government census numbers is folly, for obvious reasons. We've had three thousand illegals coming across every night for 20-odd years--do the math. The evidence of just how Significant the influx is can be found, in bold type, in any state and local budget affected by the problem.

Illegal immigration is one of the key wedges that is driving this nation toward socialism. It is part of the globalist plan. You can watch it unfold, against my better judgment and wishes, in the once great State of California.

 

[shecky]

Nations have borders. Nations have political and cultural identities. Nations have laws.

The numbers alone are not the issue.

That said, the numbers are impressive--negatively. Relying on the government census numbers is folly, for obvious reasons. We've had three thousand illegals coming across every night for 20-odd years--do the math. The evidence of just how Significant the influx is can be found, in bold type, in any state and local budget affected by the problem.

The United States is incredibly prosperous. Perhaps one key to that prosperity is that we have had "three thousand illegals coming across every night for 20-odd years".

Quite simply, if there is a net drag on the economy, it's pretty well hidden.

Illegal immigration is one of the key wedges that is driving this nation toward socialism. It is part of the globalist plan. You can watch it unfold, against my better judgment and wishes, in the once great State of California.

Put on your tinfoil hats, everyone! It's the globalist plan!

 

[CAnnoneer]

What blissninny apologeticists, social engineers, and leftists do not understand is that how they believe or feel about things does not change objective reality.

They believe there is no problem, but there still is a problem.
They believe the world can be a better place, but it is not.
They believe America is infinitely rich and can absorb any damage, but it is not and it cannot.
They believe that America can expand into the world and save it, but in doing so America is only destroying itself.

Let's face it, the middle class is the last major deposit of wealth that both the commies and the corporates can tap. That is why both groups are so active in their respective parties and dig in as much as they can.

The commies hate the middle class because they recognize it will never truly buy into its social message, as it understands albeit gutturally or silently that the message is both dangerous and unrealistic. The collapse of the USSR exemplified only too well that communism/socialism do not work in the long run. That is why the commies love to pit the lower class and minorities against everybody else (i.e. middle-class and upper-class whites!). Finally, whenever in power, the commies use taxation to take away from their enemies and feed their electorate making it dependent on .gov handouts and statism.

The corporates view the middle class as a cashcow, to which they can sell overseas products they build by slave labor in the Third World or by illegal wages to illegal invaders at home. In essence they cannibalize the country's manufacturing capabilities in doing so, which erodes the middle class. The trade imbalance, the national debt, horrendous spending, and pointless wars are just tools to accomplish their goal - take wealth from the middle class and from the country through deficits and the national debt. They know that the party will soon be over, just like a parasite senses the host is dying. So, they have gone into feeding frenzy in the past decade or so, sensing the end is near. In addition, they are going as international as possible, to decrease their parasitic dependence on any particular host. In essence, they are graduating from a national parasite to an international parasite. Evolution in the making.

Finally, one of the reasons why both parties have become so similar in part of their rhetoric and posture is because the corporates in both parties ultimately have the same goals to grab as much as they can before the end. The only differences arise from the varying ways in which they have to manage their respective footsoldiers to keep them in line by demagogy and fear.

It is clear that the most powerful and most energetic sections of both major parties are enemies to the middle class and the average American. Therein the irony of so many supporting them blindly or scaring themselves into "compromises" and "choosing the lesser evil". Would you like to be boiled or roasted alive? Choose the lesser?

 

[CAnnoneer]

Illegal immigration is the result of supply and demand. The US demands cheap labor and people are crossing the border illegal to meet that demand. This is a strength of capitalism, not a weakness.

That would have been meaningful only in a laissez-faire capitalism Except, we do not have that. Gov is bigger than ever. Stupid impractical blissninny laws are more numerous than ever. Socialists and welfare leeches are more than ever.

 

[wingman]

The United States is incredibly prosperous. Perhaps one key to that prosperity is that we have had "three thousand illegals coming across every night for 20-odd years".

Well I would at the very least consider your argument up to the above
statement. The only people who gain from illegal labor is the wealthy here
and in Mexico. The American taxpayer subsidizes labor for the wealthy
at a cost of $800-$2200 per year depending on what state you live in.

Repeat, if you hire illegals you gain,and please don't tell me profits are
passed on to me it simply isn't true.

Illegal immigration already has limits. The free market will impose limits if and when it can no longer support a illegal immigrant population when jobs become scarce.

Limits,and what are those limits, when the jobs become scarce as you stated
then the problem of out of control immigration will be very real even to those
living in the great glass bubble. Do you truly believe once the jobs are gone people will stop coming or those here will return to there birth countries without fighting if so your not living in the real world.

 

[longeyes]

Thanks, guys, for saving me a whole lot of typing. You've said it well.

The blissninnies don't believe there's a globalist agenda. Well, I just looked at my tinfoil hat and heck if it wasn't made in China!

 

[pax]

Blissninnies, apologeticists, tin-foil hats, leftists, social engineers ...

Closed.


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