Victor Hanson - "Illegal Immigration is a Moral Issue"

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January 24, 2005
Illegal Immigration Is a Moral Issue
by Victor Davis Hanson
Tribune News Services

As President Bush's guest worker proposals slog through Congress, new reports suggest that there may be not 8 million, but almost 20 million illegal aliens in the United States, a population larger than most entire states. $400 billion in taxes—almost the current annual budget deficit —are not collected due to a growing underground cash economy.

Mexico brazenly issued a survival guide for its intrepid citizens on how to cross illegally into the United States. A 2,000 mile border is porous at a time when stealthy terrorists count on such laxity to enter the United States.

The hallowed assimilationist formula has too few overt defenders these days —even though measured, legal immigration, English emersion, multiracialism instead of multiculturalism, and integration have ensured that past legal immigrants from Mexico are among America's finest citizens.

The laissez-faire right still lectures on open borders as if it were a matter of robust lawful immigration—emphasizing global competitiveness that accrues from cheap labor. The minimum wage, not illegality, supposedly is its only problem: if only the self-correcting market could be set free to adjudicate wages, $2 an hour might not tempt any more from rural Mexico.

The therapeutic left will not even talk of "illegal immigration"—taboo nomenclature that supposedly denotes racism. "Undocumented workers" is the politically correct terminology, even though not all aliens are working or simply misplaced their certification.

If employers count on inexpensive industrious laborers in the shadows, chauvinists envision a revolving, but still permanent unassimilated constituency to enhance their own agendas. In response to the tired rhetoric, perhaps it is better to envision illegal immigration from Mexico not as a question of divisive politics, but of collective morality. Is it ethical for the Mexican government to export annually 1 million to 2 million of its unwanted citizens to avoid long-overdue reform —hoping to free itself of dissidents and earn $12 billion in subsidies from its poorest abroad? No wonder Mexico talks of the problem in terms of U.S. imperialism in lieu of its own cynicism.

Is it moral for employers to count on illegal industrious workers, usually without English or education, to undercut the wages of American citizens—as if a laborer remains youthful and hale in perpetuity with no need of social entitlements when disabled or impoverished years later? No wonder employers claim that they are only providing a service to Mexico's poor.

Is it so liberal that governments must pay for those who ignore the law while citizens go without? In California, the money to incarcerate more than 14,000 felonious illegal aliens from Mexico—well over $400 million—would fund the start-up costs of 20 university campuses like the new University of California at Merced, at a time when Americans (including many first-generation Mexican-American citizens) who are eligible for higher education cannot find access or financial support.

Is it so fair to assume that the unemployed in our midst—over 10 percent of the work force in many counties of the American Southwest that are most affected by illegal immigration—cannot find entry-level work? No wonder we insist that no one can discover a citizen to mow the lawn or cook his food—as if 30 years ago our yards were weedy and we did not eat out, as if states without illegal aliens have poor landscaping and empty restaurants. Picking an illegal worker up at the local lumber yard, paying him in cash for a day of digging, and then dumping him on the curb at twilight — "out of sight, out of mind"—is neither liberal nor humane even if done in Santa Cruz or Carmel.

And is it equitable that laws must be sacred for most, but not for some? Do we really want a bureaucratic system near collapse from fraudulent Social Security numbers, off-the-books wages, false names, cars without registration and insurance, even as millions abroad queue up to enter our shores lawfully? Are we to tell waiting Punjabis or Filipinos to certify their education, skills and method of support—even as we ask far less of those who break the law to cross the border from Mexico?

Who, then, is the real moralist? Is it the police officer who stops an illegal alien but cannot call immigration authorities? The contractor who knowingly accepts falsified identification and pays untaxed cash wages? The La Raza ("The Race") activist who promotes ethnic chauvinism for those to whom it will prove most deleterious? Perhaps the grandstanding Mexican consul who faults the United States for his own country's callousness?

Or is it the rest of us, who in fear of being slurred as "racists" or "nativists" often keep silent—just when candor and honesty on all sides are needed now if we are to avoid becoming an amoral apartheid society with a permanent underclass in the shadows?

©2004 Victor Davis Hanson
 
As long as are country keeps letting illegals come in with our borders wide open not enough threads for me. Can't figure how if your white your a racist but if your non-white your an activist. Anyone know how that works?? If we had millions of illegals coming in this country from Europe anyone think the goverment would stop it? I'd bet in a heartbeat they would!
 
The whole argument about morality and racism as it relates to illegal immigration is a red herring. We as a nation have no duty, and are under no obligation, morally, ethically or otherwise to assimilate and support millions of border jumpers coming out of a thoroughly corrupt country.

The core of the argument is our survival as a country. There is (or used to be) a distinct American culture. We communicate with each other using a common language-English. We share common values, love of family and country and liberty. Unless we get control of that border and stop the illegal immigration, we will become, in Theodore Roosevelt's words, a polyglot boarding house. I don't want that for my country. Do you?
 
Sheesh, Ralphpeters, get a grip :rolleyes: We are no more affiliated with those groups than you are with Aztlan or LaMecha.
 
Well i have seen links to those groups on this forum. I have seen people defending those groups in this forum. I see people just like you agreeing with the author of the above article. Victor hanson makes a living out of illegal aliens. It is about all he writes about. He also endorses ranch rescue and the american border patrol. Longeyes has put up links to the american border patrol and the minuteman project.
Get a grip? If it walks like a duck, and looks like a duck.............
 
I can't see any American being against closing are borders to illegals. I don't care what country they come from.
 
Ralphpeters:

If Prof. Victor Davis Hanson is a "racist," then I guess I am too. He's good company. He doesn't make a living off illegal aliens and neither do I. I'll take a big leap of faith here and assume he doesn't support Stormfront, the White Aryan Resistance, the KKK, or skinheadism in general. Neither do I.

I'll keep posting what I think is informative about illegal immigration topics because I think we are here to educate one another about important issues. My concern is the protection of this country and support for LEGAL immigration. This is NOT about bashing Mexican-Americans or legal immigrants of any provenance. It is about sovereignty, national security, and American values.

If you wish to tar every opponent of illegal immigration as a racist, that is your problem. I think many of us who are interested in the issue recognize that this is going to be the Left's standard response. As far as I am concerned, Hanson's remarks are dead on target in terms of the moral hypocrisy not only of Mexico but of Mexico's American-based sympathizers. I have always assumed that "the High Road" lead only one place: the truth.
 
Ralphpeters:

I hold no brief for American Patrol or the Minuteman Project. If I posted links to them it was to draw attention to what they are saying and doing. I think we need to know what's going on--and what isn't going on.

It is your contention that these organizations must be somehow "racist." You know, I would much prefer that our own Government address this problem in a direct, honest, responsible, and forthright way, fulfilling not only the dictates of our Constitution but the overwhelming will of the American people. Right now such is not the case. Is it any wonder that various citizen groups, reflecting a variety of attitudes and approachs, are arising to fill the vacuum? The more pressure we put on elected officials to come to grips with this problem the better off we will all be. It is not going away. And neither am I.
 
"Shooting the messenger" when facts are presented is not exactly the ultimate in intellectual maturity.

Calling "racism" in lieu of rational argument generally shows a lack of any reasoning about an issue.

Art
 
I've heard that Victor Davis Hanson is a favorite in the White House. May it be so, that's all I can say. Hanson is anything but a racist or "anti-Mexican." He knows a fair bit about the history of warfare too.
 
I don't remember if it were late 1958 or early 1959, but no matter. I came out of a movie in downtown Tallahassee one Saturday afternoon, to find a small crowd of folks along the sidewalks. I asked what was going on, and was told a KKK parade would be along soon.

Sure enough, here they came in full white linens. Maybe 15 or 20; no more. As they passed where I was standing (On Monroe Street, maybe four or five blocks from the Capitol) I just couldn't resist:

I stepped forward and called out in my best Drill Sergeant voice, "Look at all the form-fitting hats!"

Heckuva note when you can't even start an attitude-adjustment party...

But, what the heck. I got a good many laughs from the crowd.

I guess that typifies my attitude about any racist group of whatever sort. It's a reasonably lengthy period of record, for that matter. (Where wuz yu in 1958? :))

As to THR, I don't care what views are put forward on whatever subject, so long as the issues are what are argued and not the personalities.

Art

"I'm gonna have fun, no matter what the rest of the world thinks."
 
"I stepped forward and called out in my best Drill Sergeant voice, "Look at all the form-fitting hats!"

What a crack up. :p :p :p
Good on you Art.

I wish I could come up with stuff like that when things are happening as opposed to 2 hours or 2 days after the fun, is done.

S-
 
Racist here. ;)

I won't say if I consider illegal immigration a moral problem, but I will say the cause of illegal immigration very clearly is. Creeping Institutional Lawlessness (tm) certainly is. If you think we have a problem with criminal immigration just wait until the great unwashed, taxpaying masses collectively conclude they too can violate law with impunity. Indians would call it civil disobedience.

Whaddya think? Tax law, gun law, motor vehicle law? So many place to start.
 
By the way, Jim Gilchrist of The Minuteman Project was on KFI (AM640) here in Los Angeles today (John & Ken Show). KFI intends to embed a reporter with the border surveillance contingent this spring.
 
There weren't all that many wets around Austin during WW II. I saw many of them out around Pecos during a summer job in 1952; they were working in the cotton fields and canteloupe farms in the Toyah valley area.

I went to the Philippines in 1949/1950; got out of high school in Kerrville the next year and after a couple of confused years trying to "do college" I went into the Army in January of 1954. So, I mostly missed the "Operation Wetback" era.

As far as displacement in the workplace, there were horrendous fights in one Mexican dance hall at Pecos*. The Lulacs (a citizen Mexican political group) hated the wetbacks (moja'os) for "stealing jobs". Knife fights...And the cosmetic surgery women could do on one another with spike-heeled shoes!

Art

* I asked Jim Wilson about that dance hall, and he said it's still there and yeah, there are still fights...
 
anyone ever think that Illegal Immigrations is a LEGAL issue. if I go out and rob a store, it's not a 'moral' issue. it's pretty clean cut. same thing here, just a larger scale and not as blunt.

hkOrion
 
I wonder if Skeeter Skelton or Bill Jordan were involved in Operation Wetback, didn't it happen around the time they were in Texas? The claim is that some 700 lawmen rounded up and repatriated 1,300,000 illegals. That's impressive.
 
Anybody ever listen to the Tom Martino show? He had an interesting theory today. He related the fact that the No. 1 perpetrators fo ID theft are illegals, and that the govt. knows this but has no desire to stop it since they like getting taxes, even if from illegals stealing your identity to gain a SSN.
 
RileyMc, coulda been. Quien sabe?

In the FWIW department, in more bygone daze, "wetback" was not particularly a negative term. It was just a way to differentiate citizen Mexicans from those who'd come across the Rio Grande without papers.

You might ask a laborer, "Tienes papeles?" (Do you have papers?) and get a grin and an answer, "No, soy moja'o." (No, I'm a wetback.)

Most of the wets I've met are pretty good folks. Limited in skills, but pretty honest about giving a day's work for a day's pay. They don't have any more respect for the Mexican government than I do, but they're helpless to do anything about it...

Art
 
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