Illinois CCW is open for business - finally

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At 12:01 this morning, Jan 5th, Illinois started accepting Concealed Carry permit applications.

The Illinois State Police started accepting online applications this morning from any qualified applicant for its Shall Issue concealed carry permits. The law was written by our downstate Dems and passed by Madigan and Cullerton, including an embarrassing massive override of a Quinn amendatory veto. They expect from 400,000 to 500,000 applications in the first year. But based on the recent Wisconsin and Ohio experience some think that may be a low estimate.

As of this morning (10 AM) 8,000+ applications have been received and paid for.

The permit for residents is $150 and 16 hours of training from approved instructors using an approved course outline. That includes a minimum 70% hit rate at 5, 7 and 10 yards on a B-27 FBI style target for range qualification. Military service, or a qualified NRA Basic Pistol course qualifies for 8 hours credit, Hunter Safety courses are good for 4 hours credit. No reciprocity agreements have been announced yet.

That makes us the last state to allow carry of any kind and, to date, no state has had a serious effort to repeal their CCW laws.

For the last three weeks approved instructors (1800+) were allowed to apply for their own permits as a "test run" for the online system to work out any kinks and there were a few that are now cleared up. The biggest question for the new system is handling the load. The State Police also caught up with the backlog of 70,000 applications for Firearm Owners ID (FOID) cards in the last 6 weeks, so they have extra staff assigned to help with the rush they expect. New FOID applications, e.g. new gun owners, are still averaging around 40,000+ a month. So the grabber meme that there are fewer gun owners every year is as phony as a Joe Biden gun safety course.

The first CCW permits won't be issued for around 90 days, for those that included digital fingerprints, or 120 days for those that didn't. This waiting period allows local law enforcement to review and object to the issuance of the permit based on local CLEO experience and records.

Tom Dart, Sheriff of Cook County, tried to file a blanket objection for anyone from Cook County or Chicago and was turned down by the Illinois State Police twice. He was told he can make a case by case objection if he wants to but blanket objections are not going to be allowed since it would violate the Shall Issue law.
 
Sent it in at 7 AM today and eagerly looking forward to, but not necessarily expecting, everything to go smoothly.

One thing I am mad about is that to get a IL Digital ID I had to input a driver's license number. What about a state ID number? I don't think the right to carry a gun should be connected with the right to drive. While I really try to be an optimist, I am presuming that this is to make it very difficult for certain classes of people to apply. I think it is horrible if this is in fact the case.
 
Interesting since a state ID # will work for the permit app.
 
I submitted my application this morning as well. I am surprised at how well the site worked. I was certain that there would be multiple error messages and timeouts, but I completed the application without a hitch.

Let's all keep our fingers crossed and hope the application review process works as well as the online portal.
 
As an instructor I applied a little over 2 and 1/2 weeks ago weeks ago and there were plenty of screw ups.

The whole "latest version of Java" was an issue for many and my picture was rejected because I missed seeing it must be color and I had a nice B&W shot from work. I did a quick "selfie" and sent it in. They're going to use our driver's license pix anyway.
 
I couldn't get the site to work at all on my Macbook (no matter what browser I used, it refused to acknowledge Java). Hopped on a Windows desktop and it worked just fine. Kicked me back to the login screen after I uploaded my picture, but it saved everything and let me finish.

Now I just wait.
 
Has the ISP decided that HI is "substantially similar" to IL? There are lots of states that do not report voluntary mental health admissions, and IL won't allow a non-res permit if they don't.
 
First day signup:

As of this morning (10 AM) 8,000+ applications have been received and paid for.

Compare this to the nationwide first day signup of 6 for Obamacare, (keep in mind that the 8,000 also paid.)
 
It was something like 6500 on Sunday, and I know you can't accurately extrapolate from a 1 day / single data point. But if people in Illinois only applied on weekends, and they post similar numbers as this past weekend, Illinois is on pace to have approximately 338,000 applicant.

I have heard the ISP estimate it would be around 400,000 for Illinois in 2014.

If it weren't for the barriers to poor people that the Chicago dems erected, there would easily be 2 million people in Illinois who would apply in 2014. As it is - even with the exorbitant costs of applying for a license, paying for the training and all that, I predict there will be over 500,000 in Illinois in 2014.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-ban-gun-sales-city-unconstitutional-judge-rules-232044194.html

Judge rules Chicago ban on gun sales is unconstitutional
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CHICAGO (Reuters) - A Chicago ban on gun sales within the city, aimed at reducing gun violence, is unconstitutional because it goes too far in barring legal buyers and dealers from engaging in lawful purchases and sales, a federal judge ruled on Monday.
U.S. District Judge Edmond E. Chang found that the U.S. Constitution's protection of the right to keep and bear arms must include the right to acquire them, within limits.
The judgment is stayed for now, to give Chicago, the nation's third largest city, a chance to respond. A spokesperson for the city was not immediately available for comment.
The decision comes as Chicago reported about 17 percent fewer murders in 2013 as the city flooded high-crime zones with police. The murder rate in the city was still higher in 2013 than in the larger cities of New York and Los Angeles.
The judge's ruling was in response to a lawsuit by the Illinois Association of Firearms Retailers.
(Reporting by Mary Wisniewski; Editing by Cynthia Johnston and Leslie Adler)
 
License #

I just checked my License Application Status. When I view my application, there is already a license number assigned.

Does anyone know if this is our number in queue? So if I am License # 000030001, is it safe to assume that there are 30,000 candidates in front of me waiting to be reviewed?
 
I just checked my License Application Status. When I view my application, there is already a license number assigned.

Does anyone know if this is our number in queue? So if I am License # 000030001, is it safe to assume that there are 30,000 candidates in front of me waiting to be reviewed?
The story I get is that the number was assigned to the application as of the date you began to apply. My number is 52XX, yet others are much higher, and they paid before I did Sunday. I had actually completed 90% of the app weeks earlier.
 
Does your photo have to be a certain size?
I don't think so. My understanding is that they will compare the photo that you submit to the archived digital photo on your drivers license. The actual card we receive will have our Drivers License photo, just like the FOID card.

I used a selfie that I took with my phone.
 
Does anyone know if this is our number in queue? So if I am License # 000030001, is it safe to assume that there are 30,000 candidates in front of me waiting to be reviewed?

Yep - that number shows your place in the queue.

it will not be your actual license number though.

According to information that Todd V. got from the ISP, the actual license number will be a randomly generated number.

I keep checking my app every day because I'm no 98 :)

I should be one of the first 100 that the ISP completes, can't wait.
 
CountZero - the mandatory "30 day law enforcement review" expires Friday for my app. (they are given 30 days to raise objections before the license is issued).

I'm curious to see what the status will be by the end of the day, Friday. It's still "Under Review" right now.
 
Some counties in MO. Will wait out the full time just because. Mine took 2 weeks. I have a feeling that all of them might take the full 30 days in IL
 
30 days is the absolute minimum amount of time by law, because the law states the ISP must wait 30 days to give law enforcement agencies across the state, a chance to object.

Maximum amount of time is 90 days if you submit fingerprints, or 120 days without.

UNLESS.

Unless there is an objection from a law enforcement agency, somewhere. Then it goes to "indefinite", because a *GOVERNOR* appointed review board gets to decide if you get issued a license, or not. They get to keep adding 30 days at their leisure. The proceedings are behind closed doors, and not subject to freedom of information requests (from what I understand).

So I'm waiting for Chicago to object to EVERY single application, and the "Governor Appointed Review Board" to tie it up in limbo until court action is required. (Chicago Sheriff ALREADY tried filing a BLANKET objection that covers any and all applications in Cook County... so don't think I'm too far off in tinfoil territory here.)

Whichever way it goes down, I'm not holding my breath.

If I get it, great. If it takes 2 years.. hell, I've already waited a LOT longer than that to carry in this state.
 
(Applied)

Now to wait.

I hear some of the early applicants(IL CC instructors) are showing as approved on the ISP site today.
 
30 days is the absolute minimum amount of time by law, because the law states the ISP must wait 30 days to give law enforcement agencies across the state, a chance to object.

Not in the law. It is a logical side effect of the law and I think the ISP rules say this. But it is not in the law.

Maximum amount of time is 90 days if you submit fingerprints, or 120 days without.

yes.

UNLESS.

Unless there is an objection from a law enforcement agency, somewhere. Then it goes to "indefinite", because a *GOVERNOR* appointed review board gets to decide if you get issued a license, or not. They get to keep adding 30 days at their leisure. The proceedings are behind closed doors, and not subject to freedom of information requests (from what I understand).

sort of true. they don't get to add 30 days to it as they see fit. They get one shot at it in 30 days, and can ask for an additional 30 days if needed to allow additional information to be provided. the proceedings are not subject to FOI requests, but not secret from the applicant.

So I'm waiting for Chicago to object to EVERY single application, and the "Governor Appointed Review Board" to tie it up in limbo until court action is required. (Chicago Sheriff ALREADY tried filing a BLANKET objection that covers any and all applications in Cook County... so don't think I'm too far off in tinfoil territory here.)

Just posturing on Dart's part. The law is clear he has to object on a case by case basis, if he wants to object at all. Incidentally, he did not try to object to all cases, just wanted to file a blanket objection to certain kinds of unspecified applicants w/o having to object on a case by case basis as the law requires. The ISP pretty much rejected his request to do so out of hand.

Whichever way it goes down, I'm not holding my breath.

If I get it, great. If it takes 2 years.. hell, I've already waited a LOT longer than that to carry in this state.

I am in no hurry. A LTC in my car is not worth as much to me as it appears to be for some people.
 
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