Is 45acp fading away?

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BillWM said:
The 45 caliber bullet has been around for a long time. Martini Henry uses a 45 dia bullet weighing about 500 grains. Used to stop fanatical tribesman,
When your enemy is juiced up on some root they smoked they will not stop due to pain and injury, these large bullets tore off limbs.
The 45 ACP known as a manstopper, the size of the bullet is more likely to open an artery, you bleed to death. Smaller faster bullets can zip through but leave smaller holes and the enemy is less likely to bleed out as quickly. People can keep coming at you until the body shuts down due to lack of oxygen to the brain. In the past opponents were found both dead in a fight for their lives, though the enemy was mortally wounded he could still deliver deadly blows. Today we have criminals hopped up on cocaine and don't feel bullets unless one hits the spine, head or heart. Unlikely to get fantastic aim in a gun fight these guys can keep going but the one thing that slows and stops them is loss of blood. I believe the 45 will be with us for a long time.
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What seems to be the constant through all this, is peoples perception (or misperception) of what a ".45" is and can do. I get the impression, most seem to think that all they need do, is shoot one round in the general direction and all will be good. "Winner, winner". No need to do anything else.

If someone is "all hoped up" and isn't stopping because you just shot them a couple of times and continues to come at you, whats your response? Not to be a smart ass, but is kind of like that joke going around recently, about the game warden and the bull...but in this case, show them your gun and tell them you're shooting them with a .45. :)

The first hint that the .45acp might not be all that for me was, when I shot a rabid raccon at work one day. Hit him clean in the forward body with a 230 grain Hydra Shok at about 10 yards. Rolled him right over, and he got right up and was continuing on his merry way until I walked up and shot him in the head.

I was crestfallen that the Colonel might have been exaggerating things a bit all those years. :)
 
I couldn’t imagine not owning a a few 45acp handguns.. .. I imagine they are as effective as always... WW1 , WW2 , Korean War , Vietnam .. all the LE agencies.. maybe more so with good quality hollow points...
 
.45acp, 8 goods shots from a expert. 9mm, 17 bad shots from a amateur. It was never about the caliber but about the men who delivered them. All bullets are deadly and all bullets are harmless. It’s all about who is pulling the trigger.
 
BillWM said:
The 45 caliber bullet has been around for a long time. Martini Henry uses a 45 dia bullet weighing about 500 grains. Used to stop fanatical tribesman,
When your enemy is juiced up on some root they smoked they will not stop due to pain and injury, these large bullets tore off limbs.
The 45 ACP known as a manstopper, the size of the bullet is more likely to open an artery, you bleed to death. Smaller faster bullets can zip through but leave smaller holes and the enemy is less likely to bleed out as quickly. People can keep coming at you until the body shuts down due to lack of oxygen to the brain. In the past opponents were found both dead in a fight for their lives, though the enemy was mortally wounded he could still deliver deadly blows. Today we have criminals hopped up on cocaine and don't feel bullets unless one hits the spine, head or heart. Unlikely to get fantastic aim in a gun fight these guys can keep going but the one thing that slows and stops them is loss of blood. I believe the 45 will be with us for a long time.
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An officer dumped a ton of .45 ACP into a suspect and until he popped the suspect's melon, .45 ACP didn't stop anything. Comparing .45 ACP to .577/450 Martini-Henry is like me comparing .38 Special to .32 Winchester Special.
 
Electricmo said:
.45acp, 8 goods shots from a expert. 9mm, 17 bad shots from a amateur. It was never about the caliber but about the men who delivered them. All bullets are deadly and all bullets are harmless. It’s all about who is pulling the trigger.
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Again, a cop who was an expert marksman dump more than a GLOCK 21 mag's worth of .45 ACP into a suspect and until he hit the main central processor, the suspect didn't stop his attack.

All pistols suck at stopping bad guys.
 
45 is baked into our collective shooting culture. Might not ever be the most trendy or popular, but I doubt it’s fading into obscurity anytime soon either.
 
Y’all keep talking about police sidearms and civilian carry but the fact is handguns are used for a whole lot other than shooting people, good, bad or ugly. Hunting, defense from critters, targets and just plain fun. To name a few. The .45ACP makes a darn good truck gun and as long as there’s trucks, and good old boys/girls driving them, there’ll be .45’s.
 
JR24 said:
Problem is I like and argue for both .45 and 9mm... o_O:D:rofl:
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Me too. Probably because both have their merits.
Miami_JBT said:
I have guns in everything from .22 Short to .45 Colt and everything in between.
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Probably everything you own also has some type of justification and merit. Mine do, to me anyway.
All handgun rounds are a compromise of some sort.
 
I think the 45GAP is one of those hidden gems that gets a bad rap, and if for no other reason, then it has the word "Glock" attached to it. A perfect example of the ego and insecurity BS driving things. ;)

To bad too, it had some promise.

Personally, I think it takes the 45 to a new level. You get more capacity, in a more compact gun (that's actually reliable), with a much more ergonomic grip, and its still a 45, for those with those insecurities. :)
 
trackskippy said:
I think the 45GAP is one of those hidden gems that gets a bad rap, and if for no other reason, then it has the word "Glock" attached to it. A perfect example of the ego and insecurity BS driving things. ;)

To bad too, it had some promise.

Personally, I think it takes the 45 to a new level. You get more capacity, in a more compact gun (that's actually reliable), with a much more ergonomic grip, and its still a 45, for those with those insecurities. :)
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I can't totally agree. I'm sure it's perfectly nice round but I just can't get behind making ol' big fat and slow even slower :)

Plus there are a few .45s that stay thin and have decent capacity. HK45c is almost the same size as the Glock 19 sized GAP (38?) with a flush fitting baseplate and is actually a smidge thinner in the grip. The M&Ps are pretty thin too, and the old Ruger SR45.
 
I think if you compare, the GAP isn't going "slower" than the ACP. Its very comparable with most weights.

And as far as grip goes, none of the ACP guns have a grip that compares to a Glock 17, as the 37 does. My 17's and 37 grips are smaller than most all of the 45acp guns Ive owned over the years, including my 1911's, P220's, P245, 21SF, 30S, etc.
 
trackskippy said:
I think if you compare, the GAP isn't going "slower" than the ACP. Its very comparable with most weights.

And as far as grip goes, none of the ACP guns have a grip that compares to a Glock 17, as the 37 does. My 17's and 37 grips are smaller than most all of the 45acp guns Ive owned over the years, including my 1911's, P220's, P245, 21SF, 30S, etc.
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I put Pachmayr grips on my Auto-Ordnance 1911A1 to widen and bulk out the grip so it will fit my hand better. An overly thin grip moves in my hand and makes it harder to hit what I'm aiming for. That's me. YMMV. Everyone's does. That's why we have choices.
 
I like my SW 1911Sc and my Glock 17. I'd carry both - but both are rather big for me. So the G26 goes out the door most days. I do like the authoritative boom and feel of the 45 ACP.
 
Miami_JBT said:
An officer dumped a ton of .45 ACP into a suspect and until he popped the suspect's melon, .45 ACP didn't stop anything. Comparing .45 ACP to .577/450 Martini-Henry is like me comparing .38 Special to .32 Winchester Special.
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I thought I was likening the diameter of the bullets not damage they could do. Obviously a 450/577 is not a 45 ACP, I assumed anyone reading it would know.
 
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