MCgunner
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Yes, I'd been looking at the Yildiz. I can never remember how to spell it. :banghead:
http://www.academy.com/index.php?pa...shotguns&start=30&selectedSKU=0350-04706-2028
Is it wrong to like side-by-sides?
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Yes, I'd been looking at the Yildiz. I can never remember how to spell it. :banghead:
http://www.academy.com/index.php?pa...shotguns&start=30&selectedSKU=0350-04706-2028
toivo
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There's something about a side-by-side with English stock that just looks so right. It's what comes to John Q. Public's mind when someone says shotgun. That said, I don't own one: two pumps, two autoloaders, no double gun. Hmm... Uh-oh! I'm getting a pain in the credit card!
win71
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Re the 28 ga. I thought the same thing until I did some patterning. I shoot over a dog (pointer). The 20 ga. double I have is choked ic and mod. The
Ruger o/u in 28. ga. I have has screw in chokes. I'm using 1 oz. #6's with skeet and mod. chokes and it really works good.
I use copper or nickel plated shot in both and you are right about the cost, but as long as you can hit the same it's not that much difference at the end of the season. I just like the 28 for some reason.
Re the 28 ga. I thought the same thing until I did some patterning. I shoot over a dog (pointer). The 20 ga. double I have is choked ic and mod. The
Ruger o/u in 28. ga. I have has screw in chokes. I'm using 1 oz. #6's with skeet and mod. chokes and it really works good.
I use copper or nickel plated shot in both and you are right about the cost, but as long as you can hit the same it's not that much difference at the end of the season. I just like the 28 for some reason.
stevens 311
My steven 311 put put 7 1/2 shot through about a 6 inch hole at about 30 yards.
No wonder I had trouble hitting birds. Not lack of skill.
With #6 it patterned fine.
Two triggers when it was cold, caused me to switch to charles daly single trigger shotgun. Modified/improved rather than full/modified.
My feeling is that it is best to spend money on buying lots more shells for practice and less money on shotgun?
A senior citizen prespective.
My steven 311 put put 7 1/2 shot through about a 6 inch hole at about 30 yards.
No wonder I had trouble hitting birds. Not lack of skill.
With #6 it patterned fine.
Two triggers when it was cold, caused me to switch to charles daly single trigger shotgun. Modified/improved rather than full/modified.
My feeling is that it is best to spend money on buying lots more shells for practice and less money on shotgun?
A senior citizen prespective.
other problems with stevens 311
No checkering.
When I returned from hunting, the middle finger of my right hand would be swollen.
Recoil backed the trigger guard into my middle finger.
I never tried masking tape.
regards again
bill
But, hey, it's not about killing birds, it's the fun and the exercise.
And essential non-gas wasting travel, of course.
No checkering.
When I returned from hunting, the middle finger of my right hand would be swollen.
Recoil backed the trigger guard into my middle finger.
I never tried masking tape.
regards again
bill
But, hey, it's not about killing birds, it's the fun and the exercise.
And essential non-gas wasting travel, of course.
Loyalist Dave
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I just bought a CZ "Bobwhite" SxS in 16 ga. Works just fine, and sure is "pur-dy"
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win71
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Less expensive shotgun
With all the problems mentioned with the Stevens 311 that doesn't sound like a pleasurable experience.
I may have spent a little more on the initial purchase but the gun fits good, points good, has checkering, and doesn't leave me hurting anywhere.
With all the problems mentioned with the Stevens 311 that doesn't sound like a pleasurable experience.
I may have spent a little more on the initial purchase but the gun fits good, points good, has checkering, and doesn't leave me hurting anywhere.
MCgunner
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I don't know if that's a product of no checkering. My Sarasqueta 12 gauge has/had (it's been worn a bit over the years) finely cut hand checkering and it gave me the swollen middle finger, especially with 3" stuff. The gun doesn't weigh much over 7 lbs and it just KICKS like a 12 gauge. I fired a slug out of it once, never wanted to again. ROFL! It's a hard kickin' gun, but it sure got the job done. My middle finger was no worse off than my shoulder after a morning hunt, but I'm getting to old to put up with all that anymore. That's precisely why I wanted my next double to be a 20 gauge, not to mention that I didn't currently own a 20. Even in the light, little Spartan, the 20 is a pleasure to shoot. I think partly the stock fit helps, it feels good, could use a little more drop at the comb, but the length of pull is perfect. But, even slugs ain't that bad to shoot out of it. 7/8 ounce dove loads, its future diet, are an absolute pleasure. My old 12 gauge double will not likely see much field use in the future.
I do have one sweet shootin' Winchester M1400 auto in 12 that is so soft on the shoulder it's hard to believe you're firing 2 3/4" steel magnums instead of 20 gauge dove loads. That thing is just a pleasure in the marsh. Between the new Spartan 20 and my Winchester, I think I've licked the recoil problem. It will only be on the occasional goose hunt that I'll have to carry my evil kicking Mossberg for its 3" chambers in the future. But, even the Mossy don't kick like that old Sarasqueta. That thing is a BEAST!
MCgunner
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I went to a site to check out the "Bobwhite" and that is one nice lookin' straight stock double! 16 gauge might be a little off the beatin' path, but I've hunted with a 16 a lot when I was a kid and I guess there'll always be a soft spot in my heart for the 16. I still have the old Iver Johnson single barrel 30" full choke 16 my Uncle gave me that I shot my first goose with. I also hunted a lot with his Ithaca M37 in 16. That was a sweet gun.
I couldn't tell a lot by the picture, but the checkering on that thing looked pretty fine, possibly hand cut. That's pretty rare now days in affordable firearms. I've just sort of gotten used to machine cut checkering. At least it's nicer than the old pressed "checkering" of the past, sort of a joke, LOL.
Two Cold Soakers
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SxS are just different
A side by side shoots differently than any other action. If you've ever read Churchill, and can shoot that way, (ie low gun, target intercept or swing through) a sxs is the gun to use. A 7 lb double with long barrels (28") is a pure joy to carry and point. My only grouse limits, 25 straights at skeet, and some truly inspired rounds of clays (48/50) have come off a double, low gun.
Sustained lead or any pre mounted style, I'd suggest a stackbarrel or semiauto or pump. I do shoot an semi more consistently, but even then prefer an "in the palm of my hand" forend (think Beretta vs. Browning). But a well balanced double is just so much nicer to carry.
I've always shot a SxS, same one for thirty years. My dad couldn't hit a thing with it, but with a pump, he's a crackshot. I had to practice, practice and practice with the thing, had the chokes reamed out and practiced some more before I could say I was any good.
The double cost less than $100 new in 1967, a 1999 insurance appraisal put it at $1200. How much did a Winchester 1200 cost in 1967? Buy a 3000 dollar double today and your grandkids will fight over it. My grandpa's Auto5 is still hanging in granny's basement.
And if we want to ignore the aesthetic allure of certain firearms and concetrate only on efficiency, (Doubles have a big cool factor) we may as well throw grenades
Soakers
A side by side shoots differently than any other action. If you've ever read Churchill, and can shoot that way, (ie low gun, target intercept or swing through) a sxs is the gun to use. A 7 lb double with long barrels (28") is a pure joy to carry and point. My only grouse limits, 25 straights at skeet, and some truly inspired rounds of clays (48/50) have come off a double, low gun.
Sustained lead or any pre mounted style, I'd suggest a stackbarrel or semiauto or pump. I do shoot an semi more consistently, but even then prefer an "in the palm of my hand" forend (think Beretta vs. Browning). But a well balanced double is just so much nicer to carry.
I've always shot a SxS, same one for thirty years. My dad couldn't hit a thing with it, but with a pump, he's a crackshot. I had to practice, practice and practice with the thing, had the chokes reamed out and practiced some more before I could say I was any good.
The double cost less than $100 new in 1967, a 1999 insurance appraisal put it at $1200. How much did a Winchester 1200 cost in 1967? Buy a 3000 dollar double today and your grandkids will fight over it. My grandpa's Auto5 is still hanging in granny's basement.
And if we want to ignore the aesthetic allure of certain firearms and concetrate only on efficiency, (Doubles have a big cool factor) we may as well throw grenades
Soakers
johnmcl
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My Double Thoughts
Hi all,
My double is an LC Smith Field that belonged to my granddad. The gun was built in '41, has an ordinance mark on the lug, has 32 in barrels with double triggers, and to be honest, is a joy to shoot.
My top score in trap is with this gun. The major reason I don't shoot it competitively is that I choose not to put a thousand shells through it in a year.
It speaks of tradition, strength, practicality and service. Hmmm, is that my gun I'm talking about or my granddad? I do not believe my grandson will have such thoughts holding my 11-87.
(Maybe my soon-to-be-had 870, Dave, but not my 11-87...)
John
Hi all,
My double is an LC Smith Field that belonged to my granddad. The gun was built in '41, has an ordinance mark on the lug, has 32 in barrels with double triggers, and to be honest, is a joy to shoot.
My top score in trap is with this gun. The major reason I don't shoot it competitively is that I choose not to put a thousand shells through it in a year.
It speaks of tradition, strength, practicality and service. Hmmm, is that my gun I'm talking about or my granddad? I do not believe my grandson will have such thoughts holding my 11-87.
(Maybe my soon-to-be-had 870, Dave, but not my 11-87...)
John
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