I'm on a waiting list for the LCP and been looking at the seecamp .32. People who own that gun is like being a member of a cult. I'm on their web site and they sure have a lot of passion for the seecamps. The .32 will be better for DW since the recoil should be less harsh. So...I think I'll have to buy one of each. The LCP is around $299 and the seecamp is $400. Hey $700 for two guns ain't bad. I'm telling DW it's buy one, get one free. Hope it works.
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seecamps, both in 32 and 380 are very well made - they can be finicky about various ammo, but they work well.....you also might want to look at the NAA mouseguns also
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I special-ordered and had purchased a BRAND NEW Seecamp 25 (about 20 years ago).
I spent enough on that gun that I could have bought a BRAND NEW Beretta with several OEM magazines.
I read the entire manual and did everything they told me to do.
The gun jammed with any kind of ammo I used. I sent it back and they told me the feed ramp needed a bit of milling.
I got the gun back, same thing. It was FAR FROM DEPENDABLE! I tried a box of every kind of bullet out there and they would fire several just fine, then jam, then fine for a bit, then jam.
I can picture it now, the bad guy has a 45 pulled on me and I have this "thing" stuck up his nose. Pull the trigger and "CLICK." The other alternative would be to throw it at him/her.
Then, to top it off, it hardly had any use and I sold it to a relative (who never shoots) and the first time he took it to the range, the firing pin broke!
Go figure!
I had - at most - 60 rounds through the "nice little pistol
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Do yourself a favor, buy a Beretta (or ANYTHING but a seecamp).
I spent enough on that gun that I could have bought a BRAND NEW Beretta with several OEM magazines.
I read the entire manual and did everything they told me to do.
The gun jammed with any kind of ammo I used. I sent it back and they told me the feed ramp needed a bit of milling.
I got the gun back, same thing. It was FAR FROM DEPENDABLE! I tried a box of every kind of bullet out there and they would fire several just fine, then jam, then fine for a bit, then jam.
I can picture it now, the bad guy has a 45 pulled on me and I have this "thing" stuck up his nose. Pull the trigger and "CLICK." The other alternative would be to throw it at him/her.
Then, to top it off, it hardly had any use and I sold it to a relative (who never shoots) and the first time he took it to the range, the firing pin broke!
Go figure!
I had - at most - 60 rounds through the "nice little pistol
."Do yourself a favor, buy a Beretta (or ANYTHING but a seecamp).
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Maybe mine was just a LEMON.
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I don't think I'd hold someone's feet to the fire over something that happened 20 years ago. I can't stay mad that long, but I have to admit, my first car was a 55 Dodge. It had carb problems, and I'll never buy another 55 Dodge.
I have an LWS 32. So far it has been perfect. It is ammo picky, but if you go to the Seecamp forum, you can get all the info you need. If you havve a problem you can call Larry on his cell phone. Not many folks offer that kind of service.
I also have the LCP. and I like it a lot. It is larger than the Seecamp, but still very, very easy to pocket carry
I like them both, and carry them both. The Seecamp is my Sunday gun, and the LCP is for jeans day.
I have an LWS 32. So far it has been perfect. It is ammo picky, but if you go to the Seecamp forum, you can get all the info you need. If you havve a problem you can call Larry on his cell phone. Not many folks offer that kind of service.
I also have the LCP. and I like it a lot. It is larger than the Seecamp, but still very, very easy to pocket carry
I like them both, and carry them both. The Seecamp is my Sunday gun, and the LCP is for jeans day.
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I am a big fan of Seecamps, although I had an LCP too. Both guns are great . . .I haven't had a problem with any of my Seecamps (.25, .32, and .380; I've had several of each which tend to get traded away/sold to people I let shoot them), and my LCP (16,XXX serial number) was also an excellent, reliable, accurate gun. Can't go wrong either way.
That said, I just sold my LCP and put the funds toward ordering a new LWS380; I currently carry a LWS32 when I can't carry my 1911. The Seecamp is a hair wider and weighs as much empty as the LCP weighs fully loaded, but the smaller shape/size of the Seecamp works better for me and my mode of dress. The fit/finish of the Seecamp is an order of magnitude better than the LCP, although like I said earlier, both my LCP and Seecamps have been equally reliable (which is really what matters).
Seecamp=prettier and more expensive (and I think worth the extra cost), but both will get the job done.
That said, I just sold my LCP and put the funds toward ordering a new LWS380; I currently carry a LWS32 when I can't carry my 1911. The Seecamp is a hair wider and weighs as much empty as the LCP weighs fully loaded, but the smaller shape/size of the Seecamp works better for me and my mode of dress. The fit/finish of the Seecamp is an order of magnitude better than the LCP, although like I said earlier, both my LCP and Seecamps have been equally reliable (which is really what matters).
Seecamp=prettier and more expensive (and I think worth the extra cost), but both will get the job done.
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Not angry...
I'm not angry at all.
I'm just stating the facts - Just the facts.
I guess I brought up the Beretta because the gun dealer tried to talk me into ordering a Beretta and I JUST HAD TO HAVE THE SEECAMP! I had read a write-up and recommendations about this new gun and it sounded so great, that's all I wanted and I was not going to be talked out of it.
Looking in hindsight, had I ordered the Beretta, I would most likely still have it to this day.
I remember with the Seecamp, I also ordered the "wallet" leather holster that fit in my jeans back pocket and looked just like a wallet (at almost $100). It was all great, but how good is good, if it doesn't work?
I suppose it would have made a nice paperweight.
I'm not angry at all.
I'm just stating the facts - Just the facts.
I guess I brought up the Beretta because the gun dealer tried to talk me into ordering a Beretta and I JUST HAD TO HAVE THE SEECAMP! I had read a write-up and recommendations about this new gun and it sounded so great, that's all I wanted and I was not going to be talked out of it.
Looking in hindsight, had I ordered the Beretta, I would most likely still have it to this day.
I remember with the Seecamp, I also ordered the "wallet" leather holster that fit in my jeans back pocket and looked just like a wallet (at almost $100). It was all great, but how good is good, if it doesn't work?
I suppose it would have made a nice paperweight.
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My 1987 Seecamp is still going strong. Vandave, I think you should order your Seecamp now, it will be a little while, and buy the LCP now. Then after the Seecamp comes in do a test comparing both and report back to us "cultists".
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Use the correct ammo that "Larry" recommends, and your Seecamp will NEVER let you down. My LWS32 is a work of art.
IMHO, the Ruger is still a bit new for me - I'm would wait until they get the bugs out and the prices come down.
IMHO, the Ruger is still a bit new for me - I'm would wait until they get the bugs out and the prices come down.
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The Rolex of small pocket pistols .
The Rolex of small pocket pistols .
In the two weeks since picking up my LCP I have put Winchester, Blazer, Remington UMC and some reloads through it. I put about 240 rounds through the gun, using two different magazines. Number of failures/errors/problems: 0
I like the gun, but I am still learning how to shoot it.
I like the gun, but I am still learning how to shoot it.
seesm the seecamp from most reports that I have read work great, IF you shoot the specified ammo, which is ok also. At least you know going into the buy the do and don't of the gun. They are greart guns, for their size heavy but still quality peaces. Larry has no troubles selling all he makes. that being said, I will take my lcp, not because of price either, certainly not the quality peace the see camp is either but is very well made, simnple in design and mine shoots everthing I put in it. My next awaiting purchase will be the Kahr P380 coming out the end of this month.
I would think though ther 32 and 380 seecamp being so close in size and wieght that I would want the 380. I just feel the 32 is just so under powered, especially now that we have the 380's in the same size and weight range.
I would think though ther 32 and 380 seecamp being so close in size and wieght that I would want the 380. I just feel the 32 is just so under powered, especially now that we have the 380's in the same size and weight range.
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I'd be the first to acknowledge that NO manufacturer can make perfect products 100% of the time.
All I can say is that Larry Seecamp stands behind his pistols and if you have a reasonable complaint he'll knock himself out trying to make it right.
Why someone would be trying "any kind of bullet" in an LWS25 is amazing because the owners manual specifically states that the little LWS25 was designed for and would accept ONLY Silvertip jhp ammo..
When all else fails read the instruction manual. You get one for a reason.
FWIW the new LWS32's and LWS380's will accept almost any brand of jhp ammo that will fit in the magazine. Both of the LWS32's that my wife and I own runs Speer Gold Dot's like corn through a goose...
You can't please "all of the people all of the time", but Larry Seecamp and his little plant in Miford, CT. must be doing something right because they sell EVERY Seecamp they can make and have a waiting line.
Additionally there is a general consensus among professions in the firearm community that the Seecamp is the absolute best of it's type, and has been for a long, long time.
As for that defective LWS25, two decades ago, if you care to check you will find out that they are still selling for around $400 WHEN you can find one used today.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the KelTecs/Berettas (other that Beretta CS sucks), NAA's and I'm sure the new Ruger. Buy what cranks your clock. But whining about a problem 20 years ago is sorta weak.
Just my old fart opinion, opposing opinions welcomed and cheerfully forgotten due to short term memory loss problem..
Best Wishes,
Jesse
I'd be the first to acknowledge that NO manufacturer can make perfect products 100% of the time.
All I can say is that Larry Seecamp stands behind his pistols and if you have a reasonable complaint he'll knock himself out trying to make it right.
Why someone would be trying "any kind of bullet" in an LWS25 is amazing because the owners manual specifically states that the little LWS25 was designed for and would accept ONLY Silvertip jhp ammo..
When all else fails read the instruction manual. You get one for a reason.
FWIW the new LWS32's and LWS380's will accept almost any brand of jhp ammo that will fit in the magazine. Both of the LWS32's that my wife and I own runs Speer Gold Dot's like corn through a goose...
You can't please "all of the people all of the time", but Larry Seecamp and his little plant in Miford, CT. must be doing something right because they sell EVERY Seecamp they can make and have a waiting line.
Additionally there is a general consensus among professions in the firearm community that the Seecamp is the absolute best of it's type, and has been for a long, long time.
As for that defective LWS25, two decades ago, if you care to check you will find out that they are still selling for around $400 WHEN you can find one used today.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the KelTecs/Berettas (other that Beretta CS sucks), NAA's and I'm sure the new Ruger. Buy what cranks your clock. But whining about a problem 20 years ago is sorta weak.
Just my old fart opinion, opposing opinions welcomed and cheerfully forgotten due to short term memory loss problem..
Best Wishes,
Jesse
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If you had read my post you would have read the part where I said specifally "I read the entire manual and did everything they told me to do."
That, of course MEANT USING THE EXACT AMMO THEY SPECIFIED!
I may be dumb but I sure ain't stupid.
That is why I had such a problem with them (the company, or whomever I was dealing with). The gun was jamming using the ammo specified, when I called them, the male voice on the telephone told me to "try other ammo before I send the gun in for service."
I tried everything. Yes, at most, some would shoot two or three magazines without a problem, then it would jam. I remember specifically the bullet stopping on its way up the feed ramp and I would have to manipulate the action in some way to make it close on the subject round.
My hand and fingers were nowhere near the action, to cause any interference as it was a GUN ISSUE. I had purchsed two additional new Seecamp magazines with the new gun, so it wasn't a magazine issue either.
I sent it in and to quote them, they "milled the feed ramp," which DID NOT RESOLVE THE PROBLEM ONE BIT!
I actually got to the point where I was thinking the company must be a big joke, it was to the point of being laughable!
NOW, I would have to see a .25 in action (shooting a hundred rounds or so, without any jams) before I would believe they are any good.
Take it for what it's worth, which, in this blog, is APPARENTLY NOTHING, NADA, ZERO!
That, of course MEANT USING THE EXACT AMMO THEY SPECIFIED!
I may be dumb but I sure ain't stupid.
That is why I had such a problem with them (the company, or whomever I was dealing with). The gun was jamming using the ammo specified, when I called them, the male voice on the telephone told me to "try other ammo before I send the gun in for service."
I tried everything. Yes, at most, some would shoot two or three magazines without a problem, then it would jam. I remember specifically the bullet stopping on its way up the feed ramp and I would have to manipulate the action in some way to make it close on the subject round.
My hand and fingers were nowhere near the action, to cause any interference as it was a GUN ISSUE. I had purchsed two additional new Seecamp magazines with the new gun, so it wasn't a magazine issue either.
I sent it in and to quote them, they "milled the feed ramp," which DID NOT RESOLVE THE PROBLEM ONE BIT!
I actually got to the point where I was thinking the company must be a big joke, it was to the point of being laughable!
NOW, I would have to see a .25 in action (shooting a hundred rounds or so, without any jams) before I would believe they are any good.
Take it for what it's worth, which, in this blog, is APPARENTLY NOTHING, NADA, ZERO!
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To other members, I am sorry if I came on strong. It is not my intention to get anyone angry, or their blood pressure up.
In Googling Seecamp Jam or Jamming, I really see virtually no hits.
So, looking back on my little .25, I must say that, for some strange reason, the gun was not meant for me. There is a reason I ended up not keeping that gun.
With all that I said, here and in previous blogs, I must admit, when I got the new little .25 home, I was so excited. As with any new gun I purchase, I try to learn as much as I can about it. The Seecamp was no different.
I remember carefully following the instructions for breakdown and cleaning, oiling, etc. When I broke it down I could see the quality that went into that gun.
Honestly, it was a really heartbreaker for me when I couldn't get it to work properly. I would have loved to keep that gun (however, I refuse to keep a gun that constantly jams).
In Googling Seecamp Jam or Jamming, I really see virtually no hits.
So, looking back on my little .25, I must say that, for some strange reason, the gun was not meant for me. There is a reason I ended up not keeping that gun.
With all that I said, here and in previous blogs, I must admit, when I got the new little .25 home, I was so excited. As with any new gun I purchase, I try to learn as much as I can about it. The Seecamp was no different.
I remember carefully following the instructions for breakdown and cleaning, oiling, etc. When I broke it down I could see the quality that went into that gun.
Honestly, it was a really heartbreaker for me when I couldn't get it to work properly. I would have loved to keep that gun (however, I refuse to keep a gun that constantly jams).
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no doubt it is a good gun. How many do they make a year??Less than 500 I have been told. The perecentages of negatives towards this gun will be far less than Ruger, who after 8 months of production of the lcp has made over 45,000. ur goona read more of lcp complaints due to 80 times more guns out there . again no reflection to seecamps. they are what they are..
no doubt it is a good gun. How many do they make a year??Less than 500 I have been told. The perecentages of negatives towards this gun will be far less than Ruger, who after 8 months of production of the lcp has made over 45,000. ur goona read more of lcp complaints due to 80 times more guns out there . again no reflection to seecamps. they are what they are..
Jocko brings up a good point - if a maker has just a .01% "failure" rate, obviously one who puts out 45,000 a year vs. another who makes 500 a year will have more "bad" product.
But - if I read about a lot more LCP problems, it really is not an indicator that they are worse overall. They could, in fact, be twice as "good" as the other, but the numbers will look skewed to the casual observer.
I put little faith in internet reports of malfunctions and quality issues as a general trend until I check other, more reliable sources. After all, one man's level of functional acceptance may not be mine. Just search "fit and finish" on a knife forum to get an idea of polar opposites on that subject.
Case in point - if I went out and purchased a LCP today (yeah, a real hypothetical situation,) I would expect a FTF or something in the first 100 rounds. I would not expect any major parts breakage, but I wouldn't be unfairly surprised, either. However, a Seecamp, Rohrbaugh, Kahr or other would be (unfairly?) held to a much higher accountability.
I think the Inspector is justly leery due to his experience but things change, too. I've had big letdowns after acquiring merchandise that did not perform as advertised, and those items always seem to stand out more than others if my expectations were high.
In the final analysis, no product is ever perfect enough. I'm looking for a cooking fork with five tines. Peanut butter cookies will taste better when you mash them down with one of those.
But - if I read about a lot more LCP problems, it really is not an indicator that they are worse overall. They could, in fact, be twice as "good" as the other, but the numbers will look skewed to the casual observer.
I put little faith in internet reports of malfunctions and quality issues as a general trend until I check other, more reliable sources. After all, one man's level of functional acceptance may not be mine. Just search "fit and finish" on a knife forum to get an idea of polar opposites on that subject.
Case in point - if I went out and purchased a LCP today (yeah, a real hypothetical situation,) I would expect a FTF or something in the first 100 rounds. I would not expect any major parts breakage, but I wouldn't be unfairly surprised, either. However, a Seecamp, Rohrbaugh, Kahr or other would be (unfairly?) held to a much higher accountability.
I think the Inspector is justly leery due to his experience but things change, too. I've had big letdowns after acquiring merchandise that did not perform as advertised, and those items always seem to stand out more than others if my expectations were high.
In the final analysis, no product is ever perfect enough. I'm looking for a cooking fork with five tines. Peanut butter cookies will taste better when you mash them down with one of those.
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I would disagree on buying the lcp and expecting issues within the first 100 rounds. 9 out of 10 give NO issues. there should be no issues either. Not rocket science to make um, certainly not alot of parts in the lcp that should break either. Some have, we know that. But the percentage of reliability out of the box is extremely high--extremely. The lcp is just an expensive gun to produce compared to some like the kahrs, rohrbaugs, seecamps, two of which are all steel frame, as some of the kahrs are also.
But in defense of inspector, "once burned by a product, makes one very leery to buy again" and I fuly understand that to. I read great reports on the Para line of 1911 style guns. I bought a new carry 9, and as much as I loved it, it did not love me back. So go figure......
I would disagree on buying the lcp and expecting issues within the first 100 rounds. 9 out of 10 give NO issues. there should be no issues either. Not rocket science to make um, certainly not alot of parts in the lcp that should break either. Some have, we know that. But the percentage of reliability out of the box is extremely high--extremely. The lcp is just an expensive gun to produce compared to some like the kahrs, rohrbaugs, seecamps, two of which are all steel frame, as some of the kahrs are also.
But in defense of inspector, "once burned by a product, makes one very leery to buy again" and I fuly understand that to. I read great reports on the Para line of 1911 style guns. I bought a new carry 9, and as much as I loved it, it did not love me back. So go figure......
Jocko is a wee bit off with the production numbers. Seecamp makes around 200 of the .380's per year, and around 1250 of the .32's per year.
http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1169272141
http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1169272141
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Along the lines of what Tirod was saying below, if I purchase a toaster or microwave and there are problems, and I see they are made in China, I kind of expect that - it goes with the territory, so to speak. I return it and get another one.
When I bought my Seecamp, I expected to have a reliable gun that will last my lifetime plus the lifetime of any family members who inherit it when I go. If it is well maintained, it should last long enough for that person to hand it down to the next generation. You don't get a second chance with a SERIAL-NUMBERED WEAPON YOU PURCHASED. They don't typically send you A NEW ONE. Typically, you send the malfunctioning one back and they work with it until THEY are satisfied that it has been repaired.
Technically, had it functioned properly, I would still own that gun - and it would still look like new (as all my guns do).
So, to say that something which happened 20 years ago is totally unreasonable (as Muddflap inferred I was doing), I must disagree.
As suggested below by Tirod, I held this gun to a lot higher standard than any others that I have. Considering how much I paid at the time (I believe it was around $450 if I remember correctly), there should not have been ANY PROBLEMS. Twenty years ago, $450 was a lot of money!
About 10 years ago a relative of mine gave me a new, in-the-box $50 piece of junk .25 auto that he bought with fake pearl grips. The thing looked like it was made in some third-world country. It was such a piece of junk, I didn't even want it -- for FREE! I told my relative it was not worth my time even cleaning it.
Now, all things being the same (except, of course, COST), this $50 gun should have shot like junk and it should have jammed. However, we put several hundred rounds through it and through another one he purchased for himself, all without a problem.
So, taking the above into consideration, the $50 gun was a better shooting gun than the current MSRP $750 Seecamp.
Remember, that's IN MY MIND, and is based solely on MY EXPERIENCE!
When I bought my Seecamp, I expected to have a reliable gun that will last my lifetime plus the lifetime of any family members who inherit it when I go. If it is well maintained, it should last long enough for that person to hand it down to the next generation. You don't get a second chance with a SERIAL-NUMBERED WEAPON YOU PURCHASED. They don't typically send you A NEW ONE. Typically, you send the malfunctioning one back and they work with it until THEY are satisfied that it has been repaired.
Technically, had it functioned properly, I would still own that gun - and it would still look like new (as all my guns do).
So, to say that something which happened 20 years ago is totally unreasonable (as Muddflap inferred I was doing), I must disagree.
As suggested below by Tirod, I held this gun to a lot higher standard than any others that I have. Considering how much I paid at the time (I believe it was around $450 if I remember correctly), there should not have been ANY PROBLEMS. Twenty years ago, $450 was a lot of money!
About 10 years ago a relative of mine gave me a new, in-the-box $50 piece of junk .25 auto that he bought with fake pearl grips. The thing looked like it was made in some third-world country. It was such a piece of junk, I didn't even want it -- for FREE! I told my relative it was not worth my time even cleaning it.
Now, all things being the same (except, of course, COST), this $50 gun should have shot like junk and it should have jammed. However, we put several hundred rounds through it and through another one he purchased for himself, all without a problem.
So, taking the above into consideration, the $50 gun was a better shooting gun than the current MSRP $750 Seecamp.
Remember, that's IN MY MIND, and is based solely on MY EXPERIENCE!
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I percieve the LCP or P3At to have high reliability overall, and even better at this point in their product cycle than at introduction.
But based on some reports, maybe a break-in of 100 rounds would be necessary. I really don't know of any mechanism that operates perfectly out of the box 100% of the time. Even coffee makers. But with a low volume maker, you should get close. In a high volume production environment, lots of the same controls instituted for quality have to be developed with a much larger number of pieces in mind, balanced with a profitable view of actually shipping product.
If Seecamp is making 200 .380's, I could imagine almost every one being checked for critical dimension by hand with calipers on every step. If Ruger tried that, they'd be so far behind in production they'd have to allocate shipments . . . Uh, waidaminute . . . anyway, they're probably checking every tenth or fiftieth just to get stuff out the door. Automation allows that.
Further, once the machine is set up, you just periodically check for conformance and adjust. That operation is dedicated and very little changes at all with tooling or even the operator. With smaller jobs, not so much. You have to check every time you set up, and nearly every part. There is more scrap, which drives costs up. About the time things are settled, out comes the tooling for the next job.
On the other hand, in volume production, half the shift's parts may be out of tolerance and down the line before the next check. With low production, hand checking each may allow more deviation to reduce the scrap rate. It's a balancing act to keep it working right.
Enough boring talk. I just realized I am not only the one in 100 person with military experience, I know about factory production, too. How old skool is that?
But based on some reports, maybe a break-in of 100 rounds would be necessary. I really don't know of any mechanism that operates perfectly out of the box 100% of the time. Even coffee makers. But with a low volume maker, you should get close. In a high volume production environment, lots of the same controls instituted for quality have to be developed with a much larger number of pieces in mind, balanced with a profitable view of actually shipping product.
If Seecamp is making 200 .380's, I could imagine almost every one being checked for critical dimension by hand with calipers on every step. If Ruger tried that, they'd be so far behind in production they'd have to allocate shipments . . . Uh, waidaminute . . . anyway, they're probably checking every tenth or fiftieth just to get stuff out the door. Automation allows that.
Further, once the machine is set up, you just periodically check for conformance and adjust. That operation is dedicated and very little changes at all with tooling or even the operator. With smaller jobs, not so much. You have to check every time you set up, and nearly every part. There is more scrap, which drives costs up. About the time things are settled, out comes the tooling for the next job.
On the other hand, in volume production, half the shift's parts may be out of tolerance and down the line before the next check. With low production, hand checking each may allow more deviation to reduce the scrap rate. It's a balancing act to keep it working right.
Enough boring talk. I just realized I am not only the one in 100 person with military experience, I know about factory production, too. How old skool is that?
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Tirod....
Tirod, you have enlightened me on a lot of things.
Thank you!
Inspector
Tirod, you have enlightened me on a lot of things.
Thank you!
Inspector
FWIW, my first Seecamp LWS-25 worked fine, but I was too broke to keep it during the financial squeeze caused by the birth of a child. When I could afford it, I bought a second one and it seized when I fired it, because the slide warped. It was replaced as a warranty issue, and the replacement broke its firing pin after not too many hundreds of rounds fired. But, that was in the mid-1980s! The .32 Seecamps were, and are, produced differently. "Rolex" does not describe the .25 Seecamps; they were a bit rough, but the .32s did earn that title. My first LWS-32 had excellent fit and finish, and functioned with 100% reliability from round one. I foolishly sold it, largely because I was offered what I had paid for it new, and rarely carried it.
I recently remedied that by buying another. I rarely need something so small at this stage of my life, and am mandated by my employer's policy to carry .38/.380 as a minimum under most circumstances, but I foresee a future time when my .32 Seecamp will get a lot more carry time.
I recently remedied that by buying another. I rarely need something so small at this stage of my life, and am mandated by my employer's policy to carry .38/.380 as a minimum under most circumstances, but I foresee a future time when my .32 Seecamp will get a lot more carry time.
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