LE agencies leaving GLOCK for M & P....

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I've heard that NYPD is currently evaluating the M&P. Makes sense since Smith & Wesson probably won't be making the 5946 much longer. If this is true S&W is probably doing everything possible to win that contract. The NYPD is the trendsetter in the Northeast, if they adopt it a lot of other agencies will too. Of course the NYPD M&P would have a rediculous 12lb. trigger, but it would be great advertising for Smith & Wesson.
 
I've heard that NYPD is currently evaluating the M&P. Makes sense since Smith & Wesson probably won't be making the 5946 much longer.

NYPD also authorizes SIG and Glock for duty wear and Kahr for off duty/plainclothes. The majority of NYPD officers carry Glocks due to price. Due to their longevity most officers will be carrying them their entire career and into retirement. NYPD won't ban guns already being carried. New guys would ask vets what's best and many would still buy Glocks for a few dollars more (no pun intended). It would be some time before a significant portion would be carrying S&Ws.
 
Going form the worlds ugliest and worst ergonomic pistol to the best looking bet ergonoics sounds like a no brainer to me.
 
NH State Police Dropped Sig Arms for the New MP 45. All the troopers I have spoken to like the new Smith and Wesson better.
 
Hello , Terre Haute Police Department In Indiana Have Switched From Glock 22 To The .40 Cal M&p... I Reciently Talked To Some Of The Officers That This Switch Affected. Supprisingly All Of The Ones I Talked To Agreed On The Fact That The Gun Was Just More Comfortable And Easier To Control On The Follow Up Shot. Less Recoil = Better Accuracy = Less Colateral Dammage.
 
M&P Manual Safety?

Any truth to a rumor I read that the Smith M&P models in 2008 are going to have an external safety (at least as an option)? Someone said that will be announced at the 2008 SHOT show. Smith did put a safety on the M&P 45, but do you think they'll continue that to the other models? I think I read the safety on the 45 was to comply with military specs in order to bid on the govt. contract, or some such thing?

Just curious if anyone had any info... If they do, I wonder if LE would go that route...
 
The safety option for the .45 was to compete for the service pistol contract that has since fallen by the wayside.

I asked S&W a while ago about whether the safety would be provided on the other models. The answer was not at that time, but it might be an option in the future. A tuned M&P 9mm with a safety could be the answer to the Browning Hi Power for those of us who get bit by that critter yet love the idea of a slim single action 9.
 
Glock is anything but dumb!

If the M&P hurts them enough, then they will modify or bring out additional models.

On the flip side, with what's going on in the world, they may be so busy...they can't produce anymore...at the moment.

Tough to forecast, IMO, until pistol sales level or decline.
 
Clearwater Florida Police Department for sure. I have many friends there.,but they didn't leave Glock., they left Walther, Their issue was the Walther P99 in .40SW, they went for the M&P in .40SW. ,but since Walther and Smith & Wesson have a very cozy relationship, its still in the "family":)
 
M&P is [] much better and more accurate [than Glock]
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This has been an interesting thread. I hope this comment doesn't derail it into Glock v. SW. Whichever one anybody prefers, it seems overstated that one is MUCH better than the other, in either direction. They are clearly close in quality and accuracy, and any perceived differences can be attributed to personal preference. Please, Glock-lovers, don't rise to the challenge and torpedo this thread!
 
If the "numerous" agencies are 30-50 man police departments (nothing wrong with that but it takes a lot of them to buy a lot of guns) this wouldn't be a trend setter. If it's agencies like Customs and Border Protection (uses 30,000 handguns or more), ICE (probably 20,000 or more), or some other large agency that could be construed as a trendsetter.
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I understand what you're saying (one 20k agency switching is the equivalent of 1,000 20-man departments), but you have to realize that the vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of LE agencies in this nation are small agencies, and that most LEOs are employed by small to moderate sized departments. Small agencies are also able to make big changes more quickly than a huge agency, so it is unlikely that a big agency will be an early-adopter of a new weapon (the FBI's adoption of the 10mm might be the exception that proves the rule, and we know how well that worked out).

Mike

PS That's not a slam on the 10mm, btw.
 
Its all a money thing.

Value of the dollar is dropping.

Glock is made overseas.

Larger police departments deadline all their guns on a regular basis. Its cheaper to replace them than it is to perform the periodic maintentance required to ensure that each gun is not worn out or broken.

Whichever one costs the least is the one the departments will buy.

It will be nice for the guys who can pick up the former LEO Glocks for cheap. If you only own one or two Glocks, you can do your own service and maintenance. Glocks tend to last forever anyway.

I already have my lifetime supply of Glocks.
 
Officers in my agency buy their (our) own duty pistols, and must choose from a list of approved DA autos. The present policy started in 1997 with the Bereta Cougar, SIG P229, and an obscure decocker-only S&W .40. Over time, the list evolved, with the Cougar being dropped after numerous problems, being replaced with the 96G, and the G22 added about the turn of the century. Just this year, the list grew, with the DAK SIGs finally being officially sanctioned, and the SIG P226, Glock G23, Springfield XD, and S&W M&P added. (I, and a few others, managed to sneak our DAK SIGs onto our qual cards as early as 2004, despite some supervisors trying to stop it.) Today, I was speaking to a range officer, and he said the S&W M&Ps are really excellent pistols. He did not have time to eleborate before he had to go tutor a cadet who needed extra training. I carried a Glock G22 from 2002 to 2004, before switching to the P229, which fits me better, and shoots much better in my hands than the Glock. The G21SF is an indication that Glock seems to be learning that their pistols are too large and/or blocky for many people. The M&P seems to have an excellent concept with the interchangeable grip patterns. I doubt I will switch from a P229; switching guns is expensive, with the cost of the gun, spare magazines, the break-in ammo, and any other accessories needed if the duty pistol is to also be one's off-the-clock CCW piece. Plus, when I switch, I want to fire many more hundreds of rounds, to really learn the new weapon, and condition the trigger pull into my reflexes. In the 1980's and early 1990's, I switched too often to really become proficient; then I learned better.
 
BTW, I remember the bulletins, going around to LE agencies around the USA, documenting LAPD's problems with .45 Glocks, and warning officers nationwide who might be carrying such Glocks. The .45 Glocks are still allowed at my agency, if they were "grandfathered" by late 1997. BTW, I grandfathered a Colt and two Kimber 1911 pistols in 1997, but voluntarily swtiched to a .40 Glock in 2002, and let the 1911s lapse. In hindsight, I should have started carrying a P229 way back in the mid-90's.
 
Rexster do you feel the G-21 problems were due to the pistols size or are there other factors ie, like they had up in oregon with well documented kabooms with federal 230 JHP's?
 
I understand what you're saying (one 20k agency switching is the equivalent of 1,000 20-man departments), but you have to realize that the vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of LE agencies in this nation are small agencies, and that most LEOs are employed by small to moderate sized departments.

I agree with you on that. I started as an LEO with a 60 man police department in the NY metropolitan area. I thought of that a small police department until I went to a convention and most thought of 60 as a good size police department. Smaller agencies do have the problem of lacking the resources to conduct conclusive testing. The ammunition needed alone may cost more than their ammo budget for the year. On the other hand they have fewer people they need to "satisfY" with handgun requirements. Their beancounters are also more likely to spend an extra $20 for their requirement of 50 guns vs the agency that has to buy 10,000.
 
I have been told that my local Sheriff's Department (Madison County, AL) has switched from the Beretta 96 to the M&P40. I have not yet verified this, however my local gunstore is now selling LEO trade-in 96's at a discount ($299), so it would seem so.
 
I doubt S&W will underbid Glock. Agency price quoted for DHS was $299 for Glocks. I recall talking to a Glock rep who said they could easily underbid anyone if necessary. Right now demand is high enough they don't have to.

Having a number of good handguns from several makers at similar price points is a good thing
 
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