MBC Quality

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Lead Head said:
Hornady Lock N Load's the only way to go LOL
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See, we can agree on some things ... :D

When we let the dust settle, I think what we will ultimately realize is that this is the product of free market place. Our consumer demands drive the manufacturing end to provide the products we want/need.

It used to be that bullet casters/manufacturers made their bullets and the customers could either take it or leave it. It was either jacketed or hard hard cast bullets. That's all we had to choose from. Now days, it's premium bonded jacketed, copper jacketed, brass jacketed, copper plated, hollow based copper plated, polymer coated, moly coated, baked on moly coated, and hard cast of various hardness/alloy mixtures.

Why is Missouri Bullets offering bullets in various BHN (18, 15, 12, 10)? Because the market demand is there. If reloading consumers only wanted 18 BHN bullets, Brad would be offering only one BHN bullets. But today is the world of countless pistols with varying degrees of sizes/differences in barrel bore diameters, barrel leade distances and rifling/chamber differences. One bullet hardness may not suit all these different variables. Just look at XD pistols. They require extremely short rounded bullet nose profile to feed and extract properly - And Brad offers short 45ACP 200 gr RNFP (typically loaded to 1.195" OAL) so XD owners can also enjoy shooting lead bullets. If XD pistols did not exist, Brad would not have the need to offer this particular bullet.

A reloading friend with an oversized Taurus PT145 barrel was having problem with 18 BHN bullets at lower start-mid charges. When we had better results with softer 12 BHN bullets, he was a happy camper! It was much better than, "I think you may need to push the charge to near max or a different pistol" :eek: If 12 BHN bullets weren't available, he probably would have gave up on lead bullets and gone to plated/jacketed bullets at higher prices (he's retired on fixed income). Now he gets to shoot about twice as much for the same price. Life is good!

For me, MBC quality goes beyond accurate lead bullets that produce tight shot groups. It's also about great customer service and greater BHN bullet choices I can custom tailor to my particular loads.

Furthermore, with the recent economic downturn and many people feeling the financial pinch (including me!), I have looked to shooting lead bullets to stretch my reloading/shooting dollars. Guns are cheap when compared to ammunition we fired them out of - really, do some math and you'll agree.
 
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bds you're hilarious, I have to give you the most stars for being a salesman or do you own Missouri Bullet? or maybe paid per post for your sales pitches?

What you ought to do is buy a couple thousand Penn Bullets so you know what else is out there; you just might switch suppliers.

Now I know you're going to make sure this thread finishes with the text from your three minute commercial for MB since I mentioned Penn Bullets again because you know if someone comes to this thread later they will look at the last posts. LMAO

Who's taking bets?
 
I got $5 says you can't measure a load to save your life.

Any takers ?
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I'm going to give Bob at Penn Bullets a chance to get in on that bet before I post pictures and post my SD on money shot loads.
 
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bds you're hilarious, I have to give you the most stars for being a salesman or do you own Missouri Bullet? or maybe paid per post for your sales pitches?
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Thanks! You should read some of my posts defending the virtues of (or lack there of) Lee Pro 1000 while fending off those using blue, green and the other red progressive presses! :D I also happily endorse Montana Gold, Rainier, Berry's, PowerBond, Golden Saber, Gold Dot, Hornady and most recently, X-Treme bullets. :D I endorse equipment/products I have used with positive experience and when requested, why I still use them.

What you ought to do is buy a couple thousand Penn Bullets so you know what else is out there; you just might switch suppliers.
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Well, actually I thought about trying Penn bullets. But I have already used several different hard cast bullets with 21-24 hardness range the past 15 years.
 
Well, actually I thought about trying Penn bullets. But I have already used several different hard cast bullets with 21-24 hardness range the past 15 years.
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Hey don't be posting stuff like that when you're trying to make people think you know what you're talking about, it makes you look bad, real bad.
 
"You should read some of my posts defending the virtues of (or lack there of) Lee Pro 1000 while fending off those using blue, green and the other red progressive presses!"

Thankfully, I don't fall in to that " progressive " nonsense. Progressive....pfft, its like liberalism :)

As to those other red presses..... I resemble that comment !
 
"You should read some of my posts defending the virtues of (or lack there of) Lee Pro 1000 while fending off those using blue, green and the other red progressive presses!"

Thankfully, I don't fall in to that " progressive " nonsense. Progressive....pfft, its like liberalism :)

As to those other red presses..... I resemble that comment !
 
blarby said:
Thankfully, I don't fall in to that " progressive " nonsense. Progressive....pfft, its like liberalism
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You know, it's complicated ...

For some of us, we kinda don't have a choice but to use a progressive press ... I mean, how else are we going to feed our hobby? *cough* habit *cough* ... :rolleyes: If I didn't use a progressive, I would never see my wife ... or worse, my dogs may not recognize me in the middle of the night as I emerge from the reloading room! :eek:

I spent the evening loading 100 .308 rounds for tomorrow's range trip ... it took hours!

Brad should run a slogan, "Shoot 'em all you want. We'll make more" :D
 
Some people get paid to endorse products. TIL that there are some people I'd pay to kindly never mention their preference for anything I'm selling.

Anyways, I will be trying my first loads of MBC 125 gr Small Ball tomorrow, using 3 different powders, 2 different primers, and 6 different loads, total. I'll be shooting them out of a G27 with a LW barrel, as well as my G19.

I'll also be trying the 357 Action! bullets, using Unique and Winchester Auto Comp.

I won't be doing any serious accuracy testing, but I'll post my impressions as far as accuracy, smokiness, and lead fouling.
 
I won't be doing any serious accuracy testing, but I'll post my impressions as far as accuracy, smokiness, and lead fouling.
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Now the truth comes out. So when you report on accuracy, you wont be serious.

These are the standards of MB user reviews. Don't worry about leading, we already know there wont be any since I'm the only one in history that had a leading problem...well no me and the guy who authored the other thread with the exact same results I had. No wonder I don't hit the lottery. I'm just saying that reading everybody's claim that Missouri Bullets all but scrub your barrel clean when you shoot them, we can assume that even if your barrel fouls so bad it blows up, you'd say there was no leading.

See when you so over sell to the point that you're obviously blowing smoke up our butts, not only credibility, but simply the honesty of posters disappears or should I say goes up in that smoke you're blowing up our butts..
 
Lead, you seem to be confused. I have not uttered one good word about MBC bullets. I'm not blowing any smoke. You seem to be confusing my questions about your credibility (and possibly sanity?) as an endorsement of one bullet manufacturer over another. That is not the case. I would gladly try a different bullet if I encounter any issues. I have 1,557 posts. I've been a member here for 2 years before I even heard of MBC bullets, and I've yet to even shoot one.

As for "serious accuracy," I am not that kind of shooter. I've never shot a handgun from a bench or rested position. And I tend to pull the trigger faster than I can load 'em. Tomorrow, I'll be shooting at various stuff that explodes, rather than punching paper. So bullets will either be hitting stuff the way I expect it, or they won't. If they go bang, hit what I'm aiming at, and don't lead my barrel, then I will have gotten my money's worth. I guess I'll find out, tomorrow, one way or another.

To be honest, I really, really hope I don't get a single spot of leading. Because you make it very difficult for me to want to side with you. If I do "join the choir," it'll be in a different church. Nothing personal. :)

BTW, this "other person" who started a similar thread, that wouldn't be you, would it? I find it curious that someone with only 24 posts comes on here to rant and rave like a loon when everyone else is being civil.
 
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Lead, you seem to be confused. I have not uttered one good word about MBC bullets. I'm not blowing any smoke. You seem to be confusing my questions about your credibility (and possibly sanity?) as an endorsement of one bullet manufacturer over another. That is not the case. I would gladly try a different bullet if I encounter any issues. I have 1,557 posts. I've been a member here for 2 years before I even heard of MBC bullets, and I've yet to even shoot one.
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So hold on a second, you have now diagnosed me as insane for sharing my leading problem that had the very same facts as another poster. This rises to a whole new level of "what's in it for you to be so helpful to Missouri Bullets that you would say something so ridiculous?" If any body's insane it's the people who make every excuse under the sun as to why I have a leading problem with MB's. One even stated that light loads (with less heat) will cause lead to melt while hot loads (with a lot of heat) wont melt lead; now there's a screwed up mind. The only reason he posted that was likely he learned I loaded light target loads while having that problem till I corrected him that my loads were from the hottest to under the lightest all having leading problems. Go back and read the posts before you make some embarrassing post to challenge my facts.

To be honest, I really, really hope I don't get a single spot of leading. Because you make it very difficult for me to want to side with you. If I do "join the choir," it'll be in a different church. Nothing personal.
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Here's what you need to do, go back and with a sound and unbiased mind (if that's possible, read all the posts and see if I ever changed my simple story of extreme leading with Missouri Bullets. The only reason You might think that I'm a "Choir" as you call me is that every time I posted the same information over and over, someone tries and twist my story or blame my loads and too many other gyrations of excuses for me to remember which causes me to restate my facts that never really got through to the people here marketing Missouri Bullets. I mean lets face the facts, do a search on Missouri Bullets on this entire Forum and if you can be the least bit honest with yourself as your read people salivating all over themselves over the Miraculous Missouri Bullets you'd have to conclude that either Missouri Bullets owns or has a strong financial interest in The High Road Forum or the posters are paid for their exaggerations and desperate defenses of the quality of Missouri Bullets. I'm sure you wont be able to see that but, like I've said before I have no beef with MB but for all the scrubbing I endured and no interest whatsoever in bashing them maliciously. I found and fire a great bullet that doesn't foul my barrel and I'm happy, that's all I care about. It's just kind of intriguing to see so many people trip over themselves pumping up Missouri Bullets so much that the excuse we like them doesnt even begin to rise to the level of defense and abusing people with a different story that goes on here.

BTW, this "other person" who started a similar thread, that wouldn't be you, would it? I find it curious that someone with only 24 posts comes on here to rant and rave like a loon when everyone else is being civil.
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Ahhhh no I didn't start the post, you can visit it at the URL provided and see that that OP states the same issues I do. Strike out on that accusation.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=575244&highlight=myth

So common guys have some integrity and accept that Missouri Bullets just could have sold some barrel fowlers. And like I said, I'm sure my buddy has many of those loads left so come on over and I'll show you what it's like to scrape lead out of a barrel for an hour, cuz you're going to be able to experience that yourself so you know for sure.

I've said it several times before, if you want to do MB a favor, stop posting desperate attempts to defend this issue and I'll quit responding to them. That's called damage control, you see it in politics all the time, they just ignore the crimes they commit and people forget but you guys keep reminding them and in doing so dig yourselves deeper and deeper..
 
Lead Head, I am drinking my morning coffee and went OMG at your 16 out of 25 dedicated posts (non-stop) on this thread.

The OP clearly stated this thread was about "MBC Quality" and what else did you expect? If I started a "W231/HP38 is Great!" or "Varget is Awesome!" threads, what would you expect the thread to be about?

THR and many other gun forums exist to share firearm/shooting/reloading related information and what makes any forum valuable is <drum roll please> the posting of personal experience of members! Ta-da! :D

It's kinda funny but you may actually be endorsing Missouri Bullets in an interesting way. Let's say someone who has not tried Missouri Bullets is reading this thread. The impression that could be made is a lot of posters were able to shoot Missouri Bullets with success but an isolated case of a relatively new poster with very low post number (25 total) is ranting and raving how Missouri Bullets leaded the barrel regardless of trying different things (I am curious exactly what things were tried. :rolleyes:).

I did post to share the "information" that if shooters have leading problem with softer .22LR commercial bullet, it's not the manufacturers' problem but the gun. Shooting a harder or different bullet would not be the answer (we've been shooting .22LR for quite a long time with no leading in our barrels) and most on THR would suggest that the cause of leading from .22LR lead bullet is probably other than the softness of the bullet.
 
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Well, an oft used definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results....

Could apply to yammering, :evil:

Definitely applies to ammunition squishing.

If I got some leading in my shoot today, I would question the bullets- surely.

But I would know what questions to ask :

1. Were they the right size ? Well, gosh I hope so....I ordered 500 of them cut to a different size than their usual "standard" manufacture in an attempt to avoid leading in the first place. When I got them- I measured them...every single one... unless my calipers are broken, or my barrel mysteriously changed diameter over night- I know the answer to this question.

2. Seating depth correct ? Well, they chamber correctly, thats for sure. They don't smash into the rifling, and they are the same OAL as my pet loads in jacketed- so I'd say the bullet is in the starting block where I like it.

3. Primer : Same CCI LRP #200 as usual. Don't personally think that has the possibility of gumming my results up, but hey- stick with whats worked before....It gives me a baseline and one less variable to consider if something goes wong.

4. Powder : Ahh, here's where I expect to find some variance. Using a different powder than the pet load, and in a drastically different quantity. This would be the area in most need of adjustment to either heat the bullet up, or cool it down. I'm going off of someone elses' recipe, so I used the same gradient he did ( thanks for being the pioneer, Jech) in an efffort to duplicate his results. We have the same rifle, so hopefully thats meaningful but the rifles are similar, not identical- hence the range of loads. As a side note, the powder charge I'm using is rather small for this casing- there is a distinct possibility of double charging due to the volume of even a triple charge not exceeding the case dimensions....so after I measured and weighed 50 of them into the brass....I dumped em all one by one to remeasure....and you know what- I found a double ! No one is perfect, but I'm glad I checked. Twice.

5. Brass : Not a chance. Same .30-30 brass I always use, but in an effort to be extra careful to avoid variables under my control I used virgin brass :D cut to the same as I use in my pet loads.

6. BHN : Well, again, my tests on several of the bullets show in the 18 category .053 to .054 on my lee tester. I did not squish every one in this wicked device, for fear of warping them :rolleyes: however I tested ten- 5 from each box, and they were consistent. Unless brads' alloy mysteriously swirls at radically different densities between pocket to pocket as it settles in his molding machine, I think thats good enough proof for me. ( debatable- apparently its not good enough- as I'm lying through my teeth and this never occurred, or all of the ones I didn't check are BHN 9 due to brads witchery and alchemical terrorism in forming his magically shifty alloy :scrutiny: AND in using his equipment incorrectly- perhaps I'm both a liar AND doomed to failure before I even began)

7. Crimp. As a nifty note on crimping, it does take out the case expansion quite nicely that allows the bullets to be seated correctly without slicing them up. Handy. So yes, they are light crimped.

So, I'll know to question my charging totals ? Any other variables I'll be missing ? Just the bullets, right....ya....I know, But I don't have a lot of questions for those I haven't already answered.

I would question some step of my assembly or the powder charge first, as the bullets are unlikely to magically transform from " Excellent/acceptable quality" to "magically shifty/bore destroying rubbish" whilst already seated. But ya never know, brad and his witchery....:scrutiny:

And I will know this, because I did my homework BEFORE I ate my ice cream for dessert... Not ate my ice cream, got tired and fell asleep, and then told my teacher and class the dog ate it.

Mainly, because If I screwed up- I'll take the responsibility first, in knowledge that I possibly could have screwed up- not magically pointing the finger at anything other than myself as the culprit. I'll evaluate my process before I blame someone else for my screw up- not carpet bomb the blame anywhere else but my front porch. In that matter, yes I am quite different than your described political affiliation ( if calling me a Democrat by my "lecture" means you are sitting on the other side of that fence)- still not a Democrat though.
 
@ BDS There isn't much to wonder about, if you follow his explanation. Well, I stand corrected....there is a LOT to wonder about.

He had a formula for a " magic bullet" he found 30 years ago ( apparently the very same day he started reloading ) and has used ever since.

One day, out of the blue, he decides....hey, lets change the magic bullet after all this time by trying some MBC....goes home with a handful or boxful, changes just the bullet part of the equation and then loads somewhere between 50-100 of them up.( we still dont know the original magical bullet equation, or even the bullet type- or hell for that matter even the gun :scrutiny: as demonstrated)

He then goes to the range, and racks em all off.

He finds leading in his holiest of holiest- his virgin bore hole has been sullied.

Magically, MBC makes a horrible product. There could be no possible additional or correct answer- because his 30 years of magic bullet making expertise have made him into such a formidable press master that A) He never errs, EVER ( especially with the magic bullet equation, which he has just changed but apparently in his blind supremacy forgot to notice) and B) This experience makes him the arbiter of immediate and absolute failure of products he has used.

To me, it sounds an awful lot like an aging mall-ninja gloating over his awesome k-mart 12 gauge and its AUTHORITA !


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Sorry Robert, I did not intend to confer that your product was a k-mart 12 ga used by a fat fictional paper cutout cartoon character. Although in reading it a few times, It comes out that way.
 
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I belong to several gun and reloading forums. Been a member here for over 4 years. Only lead bullets I load are those home cast by a friend. Never YET have ordered form either Penn or MB......but from the experience of the majority of those that have, I surely wouldn't hesitate to order from either or both. 99% of posts about either company on any forum I'm on is positive. Both owners are more than willing on many of these forums to explain their products and how to properly use them. The majority of problems I see others have when using them are generally from the user using the wrong hardness or the wrong size of bullet for their gun and the load they are using. Both companies give good tech support for those with problems. I'm sure there are instances where either companies bullets will just not work well in a certain gun or load. 'Ell, I have jacketed bullets from big name manufacturers that fall into that category. That doesn't mean I trash their whole line and their business. I consider it a learning experience and move on. If my experiences don't mirror others here with more experience, I also try to learn from them instead of calling them names and questioning their knowledge. Those who know me here, know all too well that I don't always agree with everyone on everything. But personal attacks and name calling are for third grade girls, not mature adults.
 
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