Gun Wielding Maniac
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That's just a couple of miles away from my house! In fact... I drove past there the other day. I'm hoping the rockets and bombs will go up for sale at KCR...
My supply is low.
My supply is low.
Meth lab weapons cache
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You can steal it if you like. It may be all the immortality I achieve.
My High School English teacher would have worn out her red pencil on that line. I didn't intend it as a Kentucky joke: I just wanted to distinguish between the Kentucky story and my own Maryland story.
If the Baltimore Sun can report a cuckoo clock weight as a bomb, then maybe the Kentucky paper mis-reported the C-4.
My apologies to Kentucky. (My jokes are usually about West-by-god-Virginia or Arkansaw.)
When Liverwurst is outlawed, only outlaws will have Liverwurst.
pacodelahoya
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Ok, the guy didn't pay child support. He's a scumbag for that.
If the weapons are found to be actual rockets and grenades from the military, then he is guilty of accepting stolen property.
Is he accused of selling drugs or assaulting anyone with the alleged weapons?
What is wrong with being Libertarian? Dude, he didn't pay his support, period end of statement. As far as anyone knows, he did nothing to harm anyone else, unless, and I will repeat, unless, he sold drugs to anyone under the age of consent.
THE GOV HAS NO BUSINESS TELLING OTHER PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIVES!:banghead:
My apologies for yelling.
Glockfan.45
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Bogie you dont know the right group of "wrong people". I have been made aware in the past of folks that deal in more than just "Saturday Night Specials". There is a large undergroung market out there. Cash is king and with enough you can get just about anything you can imagine.
PedalBiker
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He can't have had rockets and hand grenades. Those things are lillegal, and we all know that if you ban something people won't have them.
pacodelahoya
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That's why NYC is the safest big city in the world.
hrgrisso
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Drugs/Guns and Libertarians
I had to go to a seminar hosted by Arizona DPS Narcotics/Drug Enforcement Unit because of work.
This one was specifically about meth. Anyways, Meth apparently burns the rational part of your brain and makes you paranoid (as opposed to paranoid and hungry like pot) and sometimes violently so.
As that's the case apparently cops are told that if it's Meth involved expect a weapon. Just the way it works. They can sell them for more meth, or use them against spooky shadows and their kids (
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As for Libertarians and drugs. You know if you want to go smoke a bowl, dude go for it. I can even allow for a wanker to toke his coke when he wants to. What I don't care for is when they become a burden upon the country/taxpayers through the HC system. That's uncool. Course I feel that same way about alcohol so there you have it.
The one drug because of the crimes associated I cannot imagine legalizing is Meth. But that's just one mans feelings.
Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em!
I had to go to a seminar hosted by Arizona DPS Narcotics/Drug Enforcement Unit because of work.
This one was specifically about meth. Anyways, Meth apparently burns the rational part of your brain and makes you paranoid (as opposed to paranoid and hungry like pot) and sometimes violently so.
As that's the case apparently cops are told that if it's Meth involved expect a weapon. Just the way it works. They can sell them for more meth, or use them against spooky shadows and their kids (
). As for Libertarians and drugs. You know if you want to go smoke a bowl, dude go for it. I can even allow for a wanker to toke his coke when he wants to. What I don't care for is when they become a burden upon the country/taxpayers through the HC system. That's uncool. Course I feel that same way about alcohol so there you have it.
The one drug because of the crimes associated I cannot imagine legalizing is Meth. But that's just one mans feelings.
Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em!
pacodelahoya
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No one ever said you had to take care of em. Up until they infringe on someone else, they should be left to their own devices. If they wind up dead or whatever, oh well. If they steal, lock em up. If they commit crimes of violence, lock em up. If they try armed robbery, then shoot em.
Bottom line, this guy did nothing to anyone else(as far as I know from the reports). I just don't like the libertarian bashing. Coming from a pro rights board, it just seems some of you guys are just like anti's in the respect you pick and chose which rights you will tolerate being championed. And no, I don't do illegal drugs, my occupation does not allow it. If they were legal, then I probably would smoke the occasional spliff.
Bottom line, this guy did nothing to anyone else(as far as I know from the reports). I just don't like the libertarian bashing. Coming from a pro rights board, it just seems some of you guys are just like anti's in the respect you pick and chose which rights you will tolerate being championed. And no, I don't do illegal drugs, my occupation does not allow it. If they were legal, then I probably would smoke the occasional spliff.
jeffkirchner
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I was wondering how you get a mobile home a mile off the road. Now I know:
bogie
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Movies ain't real life.
"Markets" where a variety of guns are for sale to the sleaziest characters just won't fly with me. Why?
Take a half dozen criminals, and one of 'em is gonna get busted for something. Since the concept of "honor among thieves" went out the hole carved in the cave wall sometime around 3000 B.C., he's going to roll on someone. Is he gonna roll on his buddy? Maybe. Is he gonna roll on his girlfriend? Possibly. Is he gonna roll on a guy he hardly knows who is running a "firearms market?" Damn straight, Skippy!
Any sort of underground firearms market won't be "open" for very long. That myth is just another fallacy perpetrated by the antigun community. Most of those folks are unaware of the legal hoops which we, as legitimate firearms owners, are required to jump through. Had one see me leafing through SGN at lunch one day at work - asked me if I was going to buy a gun through the mail. Would NOT believe it when I told him that I couldn't do that, and that it was more complicated than that.
Of course, the Brady bunch sees a gun show like Knob Creek, and assumes that the whole mess is just "cash and carry." It's part of their belief system.
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Very sorry. I apologize.
"Markets" where a variety of guns are for sale to the sleaziest characters just won't fly with me. Why?
Take a half dozen criminals, and one of 'em is gonna get busted for something. Since the concept of "honor among thieves" went out the hole carved in the cave wall sometime around 3000 B.C., he's going to roll on someone. Is he gonna roll on his buddy? Maybe. Is he gonna roll on his girlfriend? Possibly. Is he gonna roll on a guy he hardly knows who is running a "firearms market?" Damn straight, Skippy!
Any sort of underground firearms market won't be "open" for very long. That myth is just another fallacy perpetrated by the antigun community. Most of those folks are unaware of the legal hoops which we, as legitimate firearms owners, are required to jump through. Had one see me leafing through SGN at lunch one day at work - asked me if I was going to buy a gun through the mail. Would NOT believe it when I told him that I couldn't do that, and that it was more complicated than that.
Of course, the Brady bunch sees a gun show like Knob Creek, and assumes that the whole mess is just "cash and carry." It's part of their belief system.
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Very sorry. I apologize.
denfoote
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This may be more than it seems.
I'm wondering if he didn't have the stuff to possibly sell to an al Qaeda sleeper cell.
Just thinking out loud.
I'm wondering if he didn't have the stuff to possibly sell to an al Qaeda sleeper cell.
Just thinking out loud.
Shaughn Leayme
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I won't say there is an organised underworld for the big and nasty things that go boom within the US, but just think for a moment, how much bang for your buck is sitting in foot lockers of our grandfathers and even fathers, a lot of stuff, came back in one way or another from various actions that the US has been involved in over the years.
I have seen things in houses and barns, that were "Something Grandad brought home from the War" some of it 1st War or have been called by a friend, who asked if I could look at something he had found when they were cleaning up the house and property for auction.
Then you have the pilferage from within the military, it all adds up to some big bad and nasty stuff being in hands that shouldn't have them.
I have seen things in houses and barns, that were "Something Grandad brought home from the War" some of it 1st War or have been called by a friend, who asked if I could look at something he had found when they were cleaning up the house and property for auction.
Then you have the pilferage from within the military, it all adds up to some big bad and nasty stuff being in hands that shouldn't have them.
Neo-Luddite
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Even if the Mo-Mo had some C-4 laying around---it doesn't sound like he was set up to hurt anyone but himself with it. The meth, to my thinking, is the great danger. That is a growing problem out here too and it just seems to be a black hole that sucks anything in that it can.
Anyway, heating up acetone in a trailer cooking meth while (presumably) intoxicated is more dangerous in my book that having some plastique and frags laying around.
The sad part is--where is the poor dumb SOB's kid (or kids) in all this? It's heart breaking to think about.
Anyway, heating up acetone in a trailer cooking meth while (presumably) intoxicated is more dangerous in my book that having some plastique and frags laying around.
The sad part is--where is the poor dumb SOB's kid (or kids) in all this? It's heart breaking to think about.
bogie
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Also, cops who wouldn't think twice about what I've got (or they've got, for that matter...) under my kitchen sink or in my bathroom closet or in the paint locker in my garage would call the bomb squad if they saw it while they were raiding a house. It's like all the intelligence has been repeatedly pounded out of them by the bureaucratic equivalent of "zero tolerance."
"If there are chemicals on the site, and there is the slightest possibility that it might be a meth lab, call for the special team!" (which has to be used, because it has been paid for, by our tax dollars...)
I wonder what they'd make of the case of mason jars of Ed's Red...
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Truth is a defense.
"If there are chemicals on the site, and there is the slightest possibility that it might be a meth lab, call for the special team!" (which has to be used, because it has been paid for, by our tax dollars...)
I wonder what they'd make of the case of mason jars of Ed's Red...
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Truth is a defense.
Geronimo45
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"I wonder what they'd make of the case of mason jars of Ed's Red..."
I can guess: "Apparently, the homeowner was making home-made RDX, from a recipe found on a terrorist website..."
I can guess: "Apparently, the homeowner was making home-made RDX, from a recipe found on a terrorist website..."
thorn726
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yeah, meth freaks are more likely to sit around with loaded guns and just go nuts at the first sound of anything.
except for the civilian risk, id almost rather let the meth freaks keep the grenades- so much more chance they will blowe themselves up before anyone else
-if it was legal, they wouldnt need traps, and we would have room to put them in jail the first time they commited a real crime.
instead we make thievery and other crimes near legal by only busting these clowns for drugs, puttting them on probation, and then giving them only 14-30 days violation for the next ten ripoffs they commit instead of giving them a new charge
Thain
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Emphasis Mine.
Not to derail my own thread, but in a Libertarian society there is no tax-payer funded health care system. You burn out your brain, you pay for it. Maybe a charity or chruch-group steps in to help.
Your body: You break it, you bought it.
22-rimfire
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My views are actually quite Liberatarian for the most part. I'm not bashing folks at all or I didn't intend to. I just don't quite go along with the L view on drugs. This quote probably expresses my views adequately.
The counter to this is that the burden is already on the tax payer for the most part whether it be in hospital, prison or at a rehab center. Sometimes I just wish some of these people would just crawl under a rock somewhere when it gets really bad. Not trying to be unkind. Drugs change your brain chemistry and you are never the same anymore. Try rehab once, but it does not work very well for meth addicts.
Thain, good point about the medical issue.
Our country is becoming more and more socialistic all the time. It is a slow cancer that is eating away at the fabric of our society. (I know age old saying.) Most people today want medical insurance and many absolutely need it. Things would probably be better if there was no medical insurance except for catastrophic conditions where they bankrupt you quickly and the tax payer is left holding the bill. There would certainly be more competition in the medical and drug industries without insurance to cover your everyday cold, flu, or ache symptoms.
The counter to this is that the burden is already on the tax payer for the most part whether it be in hospital, prison or at a rehab center. Sometimes I just wish some of these people would just crawl under a rock somewhere when it gets really bad. Not trying to be unkind. Drugs change your brain chemistry and you are never the same anymore. Try rehab once, but it does not work very well for meth addicts.
Thain, good point about the medical issue.
Our country is becoming more and more socialistic all the time. It is a slow cancer that is eating away at the fabric of our society. (I know age old saying.) Most people today want medical insurance and many absolutely need it. Things would probably be better if there was no medical insurance except for catastrophic conditions where they bankrupt you quickly and the tax payer is left holding the bill. There would certainly be more competition in the medical and drug industries without insurance to cover your everyday cold, flu, or ache symptoms.
Thain
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Of course, if things like marijuana and cocaine had been available commerically... which they both used to be, fwiw... then it is unlikly that many meth users today would have started using meth.
Meth is cheap and very potent. Cocaine is expensive, and basically the drug war has inflated its price.
Of course, a good social network and some decent freinds shoudl be able to keep anyone away from drugs, alcholol or whatever mind-numbing substance you care to name.
But, as we can is in my OP, the "war on drugs" is going abot as well as the "war on crime," "war on poverty," and "war on guns."
Time to sign the armistance, I think.
Meth is cheap and very potent. Cocaine is expensive, and basically the drug war has inflated its price.
Of course, a good social network and some decent freinds shoudl be able to keep anyone away from drugs, alcholol or whatever mind-numbing substance you care to name.
But, as we can is in my OP, the "war on drugs" is going abot as well as the "war on crime," "war on poverty," and "war on guns."
Time to sign the armistance, I think.
bogie
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Drugs are bad!
Why?
Because they are illegal.
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Drugs are illegal!
Why?
Because they are bad.
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Because circular reasoning scares me.
Why?
Because they are illegal.
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Drugs are illegal!
Why?
Because they are bad.
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Because circular reasoning scares me.
Thain
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Bogie, I mostly agree with you. However, some drugs are, indeed, bad. Meth will pretty much just screw you: same with morphine, LSD, and PCP.
That said, just because something is bad for you, doesn't mean it needs to
be illegal.
Liquor, as the oft cited example, is the number one non-disease causes of death, suicide, broken families, and frats known to man.
The "War on Some Drugs" as R.A. Wilson called it, is just like the one on firearms. Its not about drug control, its just about control.
That said, just because something is bad for you, doesn't mean it needs to
be illegal.
Liquor, as the oft cited example, is the number one non-disease causes of death, suicide, broken families, and frats known to man.
The "War on Some Drugs" as R.A. Wilson called it, is just like the one on firearms. Its not about drug control, its just about control.
bogie
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Well, I've never seen a Merck rep going after a Pfizer rep with a 9mm...
powerhouse
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Meth is bad no doubt about it........
but...... how many people won't try meth because it's illegal? Does the Gov. have authority to imprison someone for a victomless crime? I don't think so.
this guy is a ****** bag but for not paying child support but don't make heroes out of the DEA or ATF.
Bogie, take the profits out of "illegal" drugs by ending prohibition then you won't see street gangs shooting each other either.......
but...... how many people won't try meth because it's illegal? Does the Gov. have authority to imprison someone for a victomless crime? I don't think so.
this guy is a ****** bag but for not paying child support but don't make heroes out of the DEA or ATF.
Bogie, take the profits out of "illegal" drugs by ending prohibition then you won't see street gangs shooting each other either.......
Shaughn Leayme
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I have a few questions for the make it legal crowd or supporters.
At which point do you draw a line? What laws would you not allow changes to? ( I see it as standing on the edge of a precipice, personally)
I have heard the call to make cocaine, marijuana, heroin, meth, ice etc legal, to end the so called war on drugs, take the profits away from the dealers, make it like alcohol and cigarettes and the problems will go away.
What you are overlooking, is the simple fact that any entity that is out to make money, can and sometimes will alter a product to make it more addictive as has been shown with cigarettes and look at the profits they pulled in, so legalising drugs will only change the focus of where the current money that is being spent on trying to stop it, into programs that are aimed at helping a greater number of addicts and then how do you control quality (can't do it now) when you legalise it? At what age do you restrict access, because age restrictions hasn't stopped teen alcohol abuse or smoking, nor has drugs being illegal. You are going to have to treat it as a prescription type drug, that can only be sold by a pharmiscist, but then again, you are going to have people trying to import the drug, bypassing the government restrictions and there you are right back at the starting point.
Do you allow a free for all system, with no controls? that won't eliminate the dealers or the gang wars, because sure the profit margin might be down, but you will still have cartels, vying for their share of the market and if they can eliminate the competition, more money for them.
I haven't seen any upside to legalising drugs, the money still needs to be spent, just differently, the cost may go down, but it will take more leg work and jumping thru hoops to get it, so the black market starts to make it easier, for those individuals and guess what, we are back at the beginning.
This is just a personal perspective and something I have thought about over the years, so take it as you will, no flames intended or sought.
At which point do you draw a line? What laws would you not allow changes to? ( I see it as standing on the edge of a precipice, personally)
I have heard the call to make cocaine, marijuana, heroin, meth, ice etc legal, to end the so called war on drugs, take the profits away from the dealers, make it like alcohol and cigarettes and the problems will go away.
What you are overlooking, is the simple fact that any entity that is out to make money, can and sometimes will alter a product to make it more addictive as has been shown with cigarettes and look at the profits they pulled in, so legalising drugs will only change the focus of where the current money that is being spent on trying to stop it, into programs that are aimed at helping a greater number of addicts and then how do you control quality (can't do it now) when you legalise it? At what age do you restrict access, because age restrictions hasn't stopped teen alcohol abuse or smoking, nor has drugs being illegal. You are going to have to treat it as a prescription type drug, that can only be sold by a pharmiscist, but then again, you are going to have people trying to import the drug, bypassing the government restrictions and there you are right back at the starting point.
Do you allow a free for all system, with no controls? that won't eliminate the dealers or the gang wars, because sure the profit margin might be down, but you will still have cartels, vying for their share of the market and if they can eliminate the competition, more money for them.
I haven't seen any upside to legalising drugs, the money still needs to be spent, just differently, the cost may go down, but it will take more leg work and jumping thru hoops to get it, so the black market starts to make it easier, for those individuals and guess what, we are back at the beginning.
This is just a personal perspective and something I have thought about over the years, so take it as you will, no flames intended or sought.
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