Mexican style carry legal?

[bensdad]

There was a professional trainer that recently died after having a ND while carrying mexican style. hit the artery in his leg and bleed to death.

That's a really good point. A blast to the femoral artery would be almost impossible to survive, I think (IANAD).

 

[rcmodel]

Basically just sticking the gun in the front of your pants and pulling your shirt over it.

Mexican Carry has nothing to do with the front of your pants.
The method you are referring too is more Gang-Banger in nature.

Historically, Mexican carry originated following the Mexican revolution.

Civilians were disarmed, yet the Vaquero's needed a gun to do their job.

Wearing a gun belt was a dead giveaway when meeting a Federale patrol on the trail.

They took to no gun belt, and sticking a SAA with the loading gate open in their wide chaps belt behind the hip.

If they met a patrol, they could easily ditch the gun in a puckerbush along the trail, and retrieve it later after the army left.

There was no danger of it falling down their pants because they were setting in the drivers seat of a horse.

There was no danger of the gun going off, because it was a SAA with an empty chamber under the hammer.

Even if it did go off, all it would likely do is shoot another crease in your butt. Your femoral arterys are more in the front between your legs.

I might add that it works quite well with a 1911 too.

Glocks and other stuff with no safeties, not so much!

rc

 

[TexasRifleman]

Mexican Carry has nothing to do with the front of your pants.
The method you are referring too is more Gang-Banger in nature.

Modern Mexican carry is pants. I don't see many folks in the mall wearing chaps

Sometimes you'll see it over the pants and through the belt but that's difficult to conceal.

 

[rcmodel]

Oh, I agree with pants.

Just not the front of your pants.

That is not Mexican Carry.
That is Gang-Banger carry.

rc

 

[TexasRifleman]

Yeah, I'll buy that , more to the side for Mexican carry.

Regardless, it's asking for trouble in my opinion.

I tried it once at home with an unloaded gun just to see.... Not an option for me LOL

 

[Oyeboten]

If anyone is worried about a Hand Gun 'going off' while it is being carried 'Mexican' style, they should not be allowed near Hand Guns, and certainly should not be trying to carry one under any conditions.


A supposed 'instructor' shoots himself in the femoral Artery?


Idiots are the measure?


Yes...idiots are the measure of 'idiots'.


But are not the measure of anything else.


And, all the NDs and related misadventure done by g-men and LEO, with their 'Holsters' and training and so on...


Anyway...


Funny...how irrational things can get, or worse yet, the conclusions drawn...


Idiots are idiots...


And will find mis-adventure regardless of 'how' they carry...

 

[REAPER4206969]

You are welcome! Here are some more dead give a ways mostly due to not using a holster.

 

[Oyeboten]

Hi REAPER4206969,




Nice chart...and well worth assaying...


One does see these clues too...


Years ago, I had a job being late shift parking lot attendant in North Beach, San Francisco...'Montgomery Pacific'...


The guy before me was killed in a robbery...the guy before him, was shot and wounded in a robbery...


I was 17, should have carried...Lol...but, I didn't...but, what I did do, was pretend I was wearing a Shoulder Holster...I'd do little body-things, 'adjustments'...wiggles...poise...I'd imitate the 'look' in a casual way...


Cars would cruise by slow...you could feel it...


Anyway...I never had any trouble...no one tried to rob me.


It paid good, wages were like $25.00, tips were 60-80 a night...I was a good Valet and all round easy-going polite kid...this was 1970. Cars were Theater crowd mostly, or club goers...


Anyway, after a while, I quit to do oher things with my night-times, and, next guy, only a few days into it, got shot in a botched robbery thing...


Oye...


Anyway...


So yea...you bet, BGs know those details your chart shows...or, the savvy ones do, anyway...


So should we...


And if one is not armed, and in a dicey place...one can paralinguistically 'suggest' one is ( armed )...by the4se very
'clues', and it can work very well, too.

 

[rrruuunnn]

Nice chart. Reaper.

Reminds me of someone wearing a sweatshirt during the hot summer minutes before someone's car was broken into.

One of my employees has asked me what is inside my pants pocket. None of her business. But I already had a answer. That's my journal.

I'm beginning to notice young men lifting their shirts ready to draw in public when crossing the street or taking a piss. The crime is becoming worse in my city. Someone drove to the nicest neighborhood in town and shot 12 gauge birdshot at the street sign. Also shot birdshot at a random runner and bicyclist.

 

[Rockwell1]

shattered love spuds

Darkskies,
Where shall I send the bill for my new keyboard

 

[snorky18]

That's a really informative chart Reaper.

Now I'm wondering if I do any of that stuff in the chart subconsciously, even though I use a holster...

I don't think I do, I actually make a mental effort to make my body language the same whether I am carrying or not, but it would be interesting to know if anyone could tell.

It's kind of like picking your nose, you can try not to do it in public, but everyone has slipped up a few times and been seen.

I've spotted one or two probable gun bulges in the last year, but I can't say if the body language caused me to spot the bulge, or if the bulge caused me to pay more attention to the body language. One of them was probably a cop, as after he got his food he sat down at a table of people that was about half uniformed cops.

I don't think I could bring myself to carry without a holster of some type. The gun would muzzle-sweep way too many parts of my body that are very important to me. Femoral arteries and the "love spuds" ranking high on that list.

 

[Col. Plink]

In the HBO series "Band of Brothers" one of the GI's is carring a Luger in his pants and kills himself with an ND to his femoral artery. What was it about Lugers that made them touchy, or maybe they just needed to be carried in an appropriate holster? I don't think I'd ever carry a gun in my clothes...

 

[Art Eatman]

Col. Plink, first off, it was a movie. The Luger does have a rather wide trigger, and if carried with the safety off, it could be that a rub of the trigger by flesh or clothing from some body movement could cause the pistol to fire. With the safety on? No way.

 

[Deus Machina]

I often carry outside my pants, below the belt, mostly because I haven't yet found a holster that both fits and hides my old S&W 469 as well. I'd have a nice OWB holster if I didn't have to move the gun so often before and after work, and if I could find one that actually conceals it.

This works for my gun, for me. Heavy DA trigger, safety on. YMMV.

The chart mostly doesn't apply to me, anyway--I have a stiffened, shortened stride on my right side due to a torn up knee. Maybe that would explain why I've yet to be approached by a competent BG like so many other people.

I doubt you're likely to shoot yourself if you tuck it in your waistband, with a traditional DA gun, but they do move around way too much for my liking. As for the non-traditional or single-action triggers... an LEO I had the great fortune to spend some time with (motorcycle licensing class) once explained to me that he's caught several guys with warrants from a condition known as 'Glock leg'.

 

[unloved]

If I carried without a holster I'd want something like the product pictured here

http://www.themalabarfront.com/product_info.php?cPath=82_97_119&products_id=1617

and a ClipDraw.

 

[Whitman31]

A good friend of my is a first responder. At a recent training class they discussed weapons at the scene of an accident. The general rule the instructor gave was "Bad guys don't use holsters, good guys do". This is obviously a generalization, but in most cases it's accurate.

 

[Uncle Mike]

QD@#n thing might go off and blow your brains out-

a holed old fella and shattered love spuds are not on my favourite things list

You guys are off the charts! Cleaning off my monitor-

 

[rcmodel]

As for "Mexican Carry" itself I think it has its place.

I agree completely.

I have done it with 1911's & SAA's most of my adult life.

A bump in the night, or going out to feed the livestock?
Mexican carry works for me, and has for about 50 years now.

But again, we are not talking about stuffing a loaded Glock down the front of your pants.

rc

 

[rrruuunnn]

Read about this

I learned about the mexican carry in the book "The Concealed Handgun Manual", page 95. Which tells of a plain clothe US Custom's agent that uses Mexican style carry and how he handled a close situation with that carry. He uses a Ruger SP101 and no clip draw.

 

[Deanimator]

Legal in Ohio IF on foot. Illegal in a car. In order to carry on body in a vehicle, you must have a holster of some sort. A pocket holster qualifies.

 

[ChCx2744]

Illegal? I don't see why if you have a CCW permit. Have I ever done it before? Certainly, but I didn't Mexican Carry it at 12 o'clock, I did it at 3 o'clock.

 

[30mag]

I think there is a bit in Texas law about 'carrying a gun recklessly'.
They might be able to get you for that if a ND occurred while the gun was being carried 'mexican style'

 

[rrruuunnn]

I know that some states require a holster, hence illegal. But I think Texas is open to Mexican carry. Probably to reholster weapon or accidental loss of weapon.

There has been accidental discharge for light triggers. But my revolver has a long 10 lb. trigger.

 

[RichardKCMo]

My son has his ccw and carries his 5 shot taurus .38 special in his back pocket , no larger bump than a wallet.!!
Richard

 

[Lou McGopher]

I prefer pirate carry.