Mexico: Walls won't stop migrants

[longeyes]

i've heard some comments and opinions so far...if i'm not mistaken, it will "cost"/budgeted $41 billion dollars... isn't there a better way to spend that money on America/ns infrastructure...care to know who will truly benefit? i do...but "it's to keep the immigrant out of our soil"...yeah! right...where have i heard that story before...uhmmm! what do i know, anyways..

I wouldn't trust the numbers cited. All are politically loaded. But money isn't really the issue; the issue is the preservation of our nation, of our culture, and, more to the point, who really runs America, the citizens at large or the elites.

Odds are, we are not getting even close to building any serious fence, and we all know why. Same reason we are not going to really penalize employers, stop welfare and social service give-aways, block transfer payments back to Mexico, etc. THE BIG BOYS DON'T WANT IT, PERIOD. If we want to change this situation we are going to have to accept the daunting reality of who we are up against and decide how best to play the game to win.

 

[ghost squire]

it would a sight easier to go to Mexico and take their oil.

If you honestly believe that I feel sorry for you. But I think you really don't.

 

[cz75bdneos22]

I wouldn't trust the numbers cited. All are politically loaded. But money isn't really the issue; the issue is the preservation of our nation, of our culture, and, more to the point, who really runs America, the citizens at large or the elites.

Odds are, we are not getting even close to building any serious fence, and we all know why. Same reason we are not going to really penalize employers, stop welfare and social service give-aways, block transfer payments back to Mexico, etc. THE BIG BOYS DON'T WANT IT, PERIOD. If we want to change this situation we are going to have to accept the daunting reality of who we are up against and decide how best to play the game to win.

the game we will be spectating has been rigged from the start and we have been sold a ticket to it...what wagers we lose...big or little will be up to us...but we know what the end holds for us already... i don't like fixed games!!!

 

[RealGun]

Let's get away from the notion of shooting people trying to cross the border. It's not going to be sanctioned, no way, no how, until there is no longer a good reason for simple worker type people wanting to enter the country illegally. As long as women and children are regularly in the mix, you just can't do it with any public disclosure.

 

[Biker]

True enough, but if a few rock-throwers are dealt with harshly, I have no problems with it at all. There are very few optinons I'm opposed to at this point.
I truly view them as invaders and a real threat to my country on a number of levels.
Biker

 

[longeyes]

Let's get away from the notion of shooting people trying to cross the border. It's not going to be sanctioned, no way, no how, until there is no longer a good reason for simple worker type people wanting to enter the country illegally. As long as women and children are regularly in the mix, you just can't do it with any public disclosure.

We've already permitted 20 million to come in. You want another 50 million?--because that is exactly what you are going to have. You think the welfare costs are big now? Just wait. Mexico wll be our biggest welfare client in ten years, with the approval of whoever's in the White House and the Social Security Administratioin.

I think, even if you accept the claim that we need low-cost labor (I don't), we've filled our unskilled labor slots by now, don't you? Where are the next 50 million going to work? Doing what?

 

[longeyes]

Mexico is right: Walls WON'T stop them.

We have the right strategy in dealing with Al-Qaeda: take the war, aggressively, to the people causing the problem. For some reason we choose not to do that in THIS war--and war it certainly is. We need a strategy that attacks the employers, the bureaucratic welfare mafia, and the political maggots on both sides of the border. The people walking across are, in the end, only a symptom of the real problems.

 

[c_yeager]

MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- The death of a Mexican man shot by U.S. authorities while trying to sneak into California proves that extending border walls will not curb illegal immigration, President Vicente Fox's office said Monday.

It seems to me that this instance doesnt prove anything of the sort. The man never made it past the border, so it seems to have worked quite well. I expect a little bit better reasoning to come from the supreme authority of a nation. There are a dozen valid arguments that could be made, but this one doesnt hold water.

 

[wingman]

We hear and see so much spin(lies) about this subject, we daily are given mass amounts of propaganda on how good our economy is that we need immigrant labor, etc.

For someone my age who has lived thru various hard times I have a different point of view, we outsource jobs we lose manufacturing jobs daily we continue to import under educated workers,large percertage of our children of all races drop out of high school. It now takes two members of a family working to support the Amrican dream and much of the time that is on borrowed money. We simply need to ask our selves what quality of life we want, do we want better lives for all or just the wealthy. In order to maintain "some" freedom and quality of life we must protect out borders and have controlled legal immigration.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Does anyone know how much of the border is public land and how much is privately-owned? What if enough concerned people collected money to at least wall off the private segments? I wonder if the land owners would welcome it (as long as they didn't have to pay) or oppose it?

 

[Malodorousroadkill]

Wall will not work as long as mexicans are willing to come here, and businesses are willing to hire them. Crack down on the scumbags willing to hire illegals. If there is no work for them, they're not going to come so much. Then crack down on the use of financal, medical, and educational aid rendered to them. Hell, make Mexico fit the bill. For every illegal caught, Mexico should have to pay their 'rent' and 'upkeep' while under our care. Other than that, shooting anyone crossing the fence is the few things that might scare them into staying out. But would that really work any better than Sharks with friggin' lasers? Doubtful. Threat of death won't stop everyone. Look at E. Germany.

 

[longeyes]

We can propose all the effective solutions we want to this problem. NO ONE IS LISTENING. If they were and wanted to turn this around, they would have long ago. They have their own plan and are, slowly but surely, moving to enact it whether we like it or not. Unless and until we put serious pressure directly on the President and on Congress, it's all moot.

 

[CAnnoneer]

All-in-all, this is good news. Now rock-throwers and shooters know that such crap will no longer be tolerated by the border patrol. It may also discourage some would-be illegals from breaking our laws. It is also a pleasant surprise that no local fifth-columnists have filed a lawsuit.

 

[CAnnoneer]

NO ONE IS LISTENING.

I for one had positive interactions with the local congressman Schiff ( or at least his email staff). He seems to be quite active in the area and one of the staunch supporters of the wall bill. If enough voters in the country bother to write to their congressman and apply well-phrased appropriate pressure, things will change for the better. The system is not yet corrupt enough to preclude such a change IMO.

Senators, IMO, are a totally different story. There are way too few of them, so they have the luxury of viewing any individual voter as irrelevant statistic. Sometimes, I truly wonder what the point of the Senate is, especially taking into account it no longer represents the state governments. In essence, senators seem like Uber-Congressmen, with more power and less accountability. They deeply disgust me (then again I live in Cali).

 

[longeyes]

You know, I hope you're right. I've been looking through some Abramoff articles. If we had a parliamentary system, someone would be pushing the "DISSOLVE GOVERNMENT" button about now. Pretty much all of them have to go.

 

[SilentStalker]

I wouldn't trust the numbers cited. All are politically loaded. But money isn't really the issue; the issue is the preservation of our nation, of our culture, and, more to the point, who really runs America, the citizens at large or the elites.

Odds are, we are not getting even close to building any serious fence, and we all know why. Same reason we are not going to really penalize employers, stop welfare and social service give-aways, block transfer payments back to Mexico, etc. THE BIG BOYS DON'T WANT IT, PERIOD. If we want to change this situation we are going to have to accept the daunting reality of who we are up against and decide how best to play the game to win.

We all know that the elitists run this country. The people in position are just decoys set gain the publics attention from what is really going on. We are all pawns in a grandiose game, the problem is that most of the general public cannot figure that out. I bet you money that in say 20 years, liberated Iraq will come after us with weapons and money that we supplied them LOL. War is nothing more than a big scam to earn a lot of people a lot of money. The sad thing is that it is costly to those that are pawns such as soldiers/the public etc. but you know the drill it is all in the best interest of our country LOL. Man I could write so much crap on this it is not even funny. Needless to say there is a higher power at work here other than the politicians the public gets to see on the 5 o'clock news.

Mexico is right: Walls WON'T stop them.

We have the right strategy in dealing with Al-Qaeda: take the war, aggressively, to the people causing the problem. For some reason we choose not to do that in THIS war--and war it certainly is. We need a strategy that attacks the employers, the bureaucratic welfare mafia, and the political maggots on both sides of the border. The people walking across are, in the end, only a symptom of the real problems.

You are 100% correct my friend.

 

[shecky]

The truth is that illegal immigrants cross the border because you want them to. Every time you want inexpensive food, some constructed, floors swept, toilets cleaned, etc, you vote for illegal immigration.... with your dollars. Illegal immigrants don't have to shove their low wage labor down the throats of the American people. We want it and ask for more.

The stupidest thing is that most Americans are incomplete denial about the nature of supply and demand, which also exists in the labor market. If there is a demand, there will be a supply. And given that unemployment rate has been in the mid single digits for a long time, it's hard to argue that illegal immigrants are indeed taking any jobs from citizens. If anything, that would indicate they are a net positive influence on teh economy.

I say if illegal immigrants are enterprising enough to run the country in ten years, they deserve to have it.

 

[Camp David]

Mexico is right: Walls WON'T stop them...

Mexico is right? News for you=> The wall is being built to keep Mexico out! As far as whether it will work, the Wall of China worked, the wall dividing Germany worked, and other walls work... who cares what Mexico thinks or feels about this wall?

We have known, for at least 100 years, that illegal immigration from Mexico, a historically poor country, would be problematic. The last decade this problem has escalated. The INS is incapable of handling the problem. The American people are crying out for solutions. BUILD A WALL. A BIG ONE.

Task the U.S. Army, Corps of Engineers, to start. 22 feet high at least with razor wire topping, from Texas to California. BUILD IT NOW.

 

[Janitor]

Threat of death won't stop everyone. Look at E. Germany.

That was very different. In E. Germany, people trying to escape the country were being shot at by their own countrymen, while escape was being aided by those on the other side of the wall.

In this case, the opposite is true. The Mexican government is trying to help it's citizens escape from their own country, and come to where they're not welcome. This is specifically why they're raising such a rucus about the threat of a wall. But you're right - threat of death won't stop everyone. Some of them will still throw rocks.
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[RealGun]

Mexico is right? News for you=> The wall is being built to keep Mexico out! As far as whether it will work, the Wall of China worked, the wall dividing Germany worked, and other walls work... who cares what Mexico thinks or feels about this wall?

We have known, for at least 100 years, that illegal immigration from Mexico, a historically poor country, would be problematic. The last decade this problem has escalated. The INS is incapable of handling the problem. The American people are crying out for solutions. BUILD A WALL. A BIG ONE.

Task the U.S. Army, Corps of Engineers, to start. 22 feet high at least with razor wire topping, from Texas to California. BUILD IT NOW.

No. Sorry. The German wall only worked because they were willing to shoot people attempting to cross. The US situation is simpler. We only have to remove economic incentives for coming here. I don't know that Mexicans are fleeing any political oppression.

 

[Camp David]

We only have to remove economic incentives for coming here..

Make America as poor as Mexico???????

I don't know that Mexicans are fleeing any political oppression.

They're fleeing hunger and headed north!!!!

 

[femoralis]

Is this gun related?

 

[RealGun]

Make America as poor as Mexico???????

Don't be silly. Make US jobs and public services unavailable to illegals.

They're fleeing hunger and headed north!!!!

There is no entitlement to come to the US as an alternative.

 

[RealGun]

Is this gun related?

Indirectly, in that some propose shooting people crossing the border. I think that is bad juju.

 

[Camp David]

Make US jobs and public services unavailable to illegals...

It's already illegal to hire an illegal alien!!!! That law has been on the books for a while...Companies need to collect Social Security numbers for all employees, except a small number of documented migrant workers who work agriculture under a special program... that's it..all other U.S. workers are suppose to be registered!

How in God's name are we suppose to make "U.S. jobs and public services unavailable" to illegals???? Let's put up a wall and cut off the supply!! Why are you against a wall???