Does anyone have a model 10 S&W with a 2 inch barrel? I am wondering how it compares in size to the model 60. I had a Taurus Model 65 and it did not compare at all to a model 60, but always thought that the Smiths were a little lighter and slimmer (i.e. easier to carry). Thanks!
Model 10 vs model 60
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I have a 2" Model 10-9 and a 640 Centennial. The J frame is a pocket revolver and the Model 10 is not. The Model 10 is also about 6 or 7 ounces heavier with a wider frame and a significantly larger cylinder.
I consider my Centennial to be a special purpose revolver useful for pocket carry and deeper concealment. The Model 10 is easier to shoot well and more comfortable to shoot at least in my large hands.
Both models should be near the top of everyone's self-defence revolver list. You need both!
Bill
I consider my Centennial to be a special purpose revolver useful for pocket carry and deeper concealment. The Model 10 is easier to shoot well and more comfortable to shoot at least in my large hands.
Both models should be near the top of everyone's self-defence revolver list. You need both!
Bill
RON in PA
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DOT_mdb said it well. Frankly I don't understand the need for a 2" K-frame (unless you want the extra shot), if you want that short a barrel go with a J-frame. Below 3" you give up a good bit of terminal ballistics.
Ala Dan
Member in memoriam
Greeting's Randy B-
Keep in mind that Smith & Wesson produced (2) versions
of the model 60:
a) the original was a J-frame, 5-shot .38 special that ran
from its introduction in 1965 to 1996 when it was replaced
with-
b) the J-frame .357 magnum at model number 60-9
As far as stainless steel "pocket guns" go, I find the old
original S&W model 60 .38 special to be quite
appealing. The only modification I've done to mind
is the fact that I replaced the small round butt walnut
grips, with Hogue "Bantam's". Wrapped up the old
wooden walnut grips in tissue paper, and stored 'em
away for safe keeping.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Keep in mind that Smith & Wesson produced (2) versions
of the model 60:
a) the original was a J-frame, 5-shot .38 special that ran
from its introduction in 1965 to 1996 when it was replaced
with-
b) the J-frame .357 magnum at model number 60-9
As far as stainless steel "pocket guns" go, I find the old
original S&W model 60 .38 special to be quite
appealing. The only modification I've done to mind
is the fact that I replaced the small round butt walnut
grips, with Hogue "Bantam's". Wrapped up the old
wooden walnut grips in tissue paper, and stored 'em
away for safe keeping.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
I prefer the K frame 2" guns to any J frame. They arent any harder to conceal, sans pocket use, and they give you ability to really use the gun for practice, etc, plus the one extra shot. IMO, the Model 10 2" is the one for the best concealmet guns out there.
Harbinger
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Ala Dan,
Do you happen to know if there is any difference in size and weight between the old .38 model 60 and the .357 model 60?
Do you happen to know if there is any difference in size and weight between the old .38 model 60 and the .357 model 60?
Ala Dan
Member in memoriam
Greeting's Harbinger -
Hold the phone, and I will find out!
OK, I'm back. The old original S&W J-frame model 60
weighed in at only 19 ozs, with its 2" barrel.
The new S&W .357 magnum model 60 is built on the
"J-magnum frame", with a 2-1/8" barrel, flutted 5-shot
cylinder and weighs 23 ozs. So, its not only heavier;
but a tad larger as well. Hope this helps?
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Hold the phone, and I will find out!
OK, I'm back. The old original S&W J-frame model 60
weighed in at only 19 ozs, with its 2" barrel.
The new S&W .357 magnum model 60 is built on the
"J-magnum frame", with a 2-1/8" barrel, flutted 5-shot
cylinder and weighs 23 ozs. So, its not only heavier;
but a tad larger as well. Hope this helps?
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Ala Dan
Member in memoriam
Right back at you Harbinger-
It must be noted that there were some model 60-4's
sold that came with a fully lugged three inch barrels,
and fully adjustable target sight's. If memory serves
me correctly, my friend and fellow THR family member
Perfessr has one of these?
Also, there are Lady Smith variations; made especially
for all the women folk that like to shoot and/or carry
CCW.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
It must be noted that there were some model 60-4's
sold that came with a fully lugged three inch barrels,
and fully adjustable target sight's. If memory serves
me correctly, my friend and fellow THR family member
Perfessr has one of these?
Also, there are Lady Smith variations; made especially
for all the women folk that like to shoot and/or carry
CCW.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Harbinger
Member
Yes it does help, thank you much.
I was eyeballing a couple of those at the last gunshow. The size did seem a little smaller to me, and I was curious about the stats. I'm thinking that little fella would make a nice replacement for the Ruger SP I usually lug around.
I was eyeballing a couple of those at the last gunshow. The size did seem a little smaller to me, and I was curious about the stats. I'm thinking that little fella would make a nice replacement for the Ruger SP I usually lug around.
Stainz
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I bought a new 10-11 2" from CDNN last September... they still listed them in the last catalog ($280). It is fantastic! I cannot shoot 637/642 J-frames worth a flip - even with 158gr LRN .38 Specials. The 10 is +P rated, and holds six... and, it has a real K frame grip - one that will hold a 'proper' grip. Actually, it came with the excellentUncle Mike's rounded backstrap-enclosing combat grips. It's innards are like any other K, L, or N-frame.... highly tuneable, if you wish. Yeah, it is bigger and heavier...
Stainz
Stainz
Nick96
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Whoa there Harbinger. Don't be so quick to replace that SP 101. Go ahead and get the J frame and shoot them both for a while. I think your appreciation for the SP will increase after a couple of hundred rounds of stouter "carry" ammo through both.
Harbinger
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Hey Nick,
Don't you be worrying about me replacing that Ruger. She's my baby. Had her for about 5 years now, and put at least a few thousand rounds through her- a healthy diet of .38's and .357's.
Just looking to expand the snubby line. They say variety is the spice of life, and I like to have plenty of options available when I leave the house.
The wife's very comfy shooting the SP anyway, so she'll have it as the home defense gun when I'm out and about.
Don't you be worrying about me replacing that Ruger. She's my baby. Had her for about 5 years now, and put at least a few thousand rounds through her- a healthy diet of .38's and .357's.
Just looking to expand the snubby line. They say variety is the spice of life, and I like to have plenty of options available when I leave the house.
The wife's very comfy shooting the SP anyway, so she'll have it as the home defense gun when I'm out and about.
Kestryll
member
As I recall Smith made a K frame 2" aluminiun framed model for the Air Force called the Model 12. I may be a bit off on the background info but I do remember the Model 12 as I have wanted one for quite awhile.
Sounds like the best of both worlds.
And with all the CCW State I wonder if S&W would bring it back.....
Sounds like the best of both worlds.
And with all the CCW State I wonder if S&W would bring it back.....
Ala Dan
Member in memoriam
Greetings Kestryll-
Close bu NO cigar! Smith & Wesson did produce a
2" target sighted K-frame .38 Special for the U.S.A.F.
Its known as the model 56 KTX-38* (C&R). The
serial number range was from K500001 thru K515205.
Of the 15, 205 made between 1962 - 1963, most were
destroyed.
There were about 1500 units of the model 12 produced
for the Swedish Air Force, that were shipped in 1958.
They had STEEL cylinders, with the special Airweight
marking's; found with three small crowns stamped
on the frame. Serial in the area of C448XXX.
**Special Notation** There were a few model 12's
that escaped into society with an alloy cylinder. These
guns are up to double value of the standard model 12's.
WARNING: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHOOT
A WEAPON OF SMITH & WESSON MANUFACTUER LISTED
IN THE SPECIAL NOTATION SECTION.
*FootNote- surviving weapons are too rare to estimate
their value!!!
Source:2nd edition of The Standard Catalog Of Smith & Wesson by Supica & Nahas
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Close bu NO cigar!
Smith & Wesson did produce a2" target sighted K-frame .38 Special for the U.S.A.F.
Its known as the model 56 KTX-38* (C&R). The
serial number range was from K500001 thru K515205.
Of the 15, 205 made between 1962 - 1963, most were
destroyed.
There were about 1500 units of the model 12 produced
for the Swedish Air Force, that were shipped in 1958.
They had STEEL cylinders, with the special Airweight
marking's; found with three small crowns stamped
on the frame. Serial in the area of C448XXX.
**Special Notation** There were a few model 12's
that escaped into society with an alloy cylinder. These
guns are up to double value of the standard model 12's.
WARNING: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHOOT
A WEAPON OF SMITH & WESSON MANUFACTUER LISTED
IN THE SPECIAL NOTATION SECTION.
*FootNote- surviving weapons are too rare to estimate
their value!!!
Source:2nd edition of The Standard Catalog Of Smith & Wesson by Supica & Nahas
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Al Thompson
Moderator Emeritus
There are M12s floating around - GS near me had one a while back.
I have a M12-2, 2 inch barrel, square grip. Very nice revolver for carry.
S/N is D235xxx - Dan, could you tell me the BoD?
Al
I have a M12-2, 2 inch barrel, square grip. Very nice revolver for carry.
S/N is D235xxx - Dan, could you tell me the BoD?
Al
FPrice
Member
"S/N is D235xxx "
S & N's listings put it at about the end of 1970.
D Serial Prefix:
1968 D1-D90000
1969-1970 D90001-D330000
Sending a history letter to Roy Jinks should be able to pinpoint it exactly.
I have a SB Model 12-2 and it is a nice little revolver. However it is one I am thinking of letting go to make more room in my collection. I just haven't made the final decision yet.
S & N's listings put it at about the end of 1970.
D Serial Prefix:
1968 D1-D90000
1969-1970 D90001-D330000
Sending a history letter to Roy Jinks should be able to pinpoint it exactly.
I have a SB Model 12-2 and it is a nice little revolver. However it is one I am thinking of letting go to make more room in my collection. I just haven't made the final decision yet.
Al Thompson
Moderator Emeritus
Thanks Frosty.
The K frame 2 inch guns really surprised me when I got one. Very easy to shoot, really don't give up much compared to a 3 or 4 inch, accuracy wise.
The K frame 2 inch guns really surprised me when I got one. Very easy to shoot, really don't give up much compared to a 3 or 4 inch, accuracy wise.
Tamara
Senior Member
I have a 2" Model 12 and a 2" Model 64. Both are very pleasant to shoot, although the ultra-stubby ejector rod is annoying (and a major reason I prefer the 3" K-frames; reloads are so much easier)
My 12-2 dates to 1966, and is only shot with powder-puff wadcutter loads, so as to minimize the stresses placed on the old alloy frame.
My 12-2 dates to 1966, and is only shot with powder-puff wadcutter loads, so as to minimize the stresses placed on the old alloy frame.
FPrice
Member
Tamara...
"...and a 2" Model 64."
I also had a 2" Model 64 but for some reason it felt HUGE compared to other 2" K-frames I had or had handled. Never could quite figure out why. But it did shoot well.
"...and a 2" Model 64."
I also had a 2" Model 64 but for some reason it felt HUGE compared to other 2" K-frames I had or had handled. Never could quite figure out why. But it did shoot well.
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