Mosin Where was it Made

[WALKERs210]

I have gone thru just about all the typical searches for the Mosin and manufacturing marks. I picked one up this last weekend but can't id the marking, it has an ARROW inside a Triangle, close to top of receiver is the Hammer and Sickle in center of the wreath. Any ideas,

 

[rcmodel]

Izhevsk Arrow in Triangle (post 1928) on Barrel shank.

First site I clicked on Google.

About halfway down this page:
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks01.htm

rc

 

[caribou]

A Star in Triange on a Moain shows it was made at Isvhesks arsenal.

A star in a Triangle or a plain star would indicate Tula arsenal.

Remington, New England Westing House, Chattrault in France and the Imperial Russian arsenal at Sestroryetsk all made Mosin Nagants for Imperial russia along with Isvehesk and Tula, but only those two made Rifles for Soviet Russia.

 

[firesky101]

As usual RC nailed it. They are fine rifles and I have several. Tula arsenal is usually the more desirable as far as quality and rarity but I have not personally noticed any difference in my rifles.

 

[WALKERs210]

Thanks, that is what I expected to find out, guess I'm getting to the place I need a proof reader for my reading. My others are Tula Arsenal made but this one has more marking on it than three guns combined. Then on top after I got it home found more pitting and rust I think someone walked it over here rather than shipping it. Looking more like a candidate for a Bubba gun every time I look at it.

 

[WALKERs210]

Well looks like either this Mosin was put together with parts laying around or someone had a ball stamping everywhere. Cleaned about a pound of dirt and grease off the stock and found a cartouche - Arrow inside a Star, which is Tula right??? More I look at this thing the more I am looking a sending it to Bubba.

 

[desidog]

After the war, the Russians sent all their used rifles back to the arsenal to be gone over and fixed, or "re-arsenaled," before coating them in cosmoline for long term storage. Perhaps the original stock that went with your rifle was damaged, and was replaced with one from another weapon at that time.

You can also see examples of captured German rifles the Russians reworked before storage; and the English also reworked a lot of their No.4 Enfields (they are marked "FTR" for Factory Thorough Repair).

 

[caribou]

The U.S refurrbed too, after WWII.

Korea, Italy, Denmark and here in the U.S. had facilitys that did the work, especcially during the Korean war.

 

[Ash]

Every nation refurbishes their arms. Every one. And the US does it as much, if not more, than many.

 

[Fred_G]

Well looks like either this Mosin was put together with parts laying around or someone had a ball stamping everywhere. Cleaned about a pound of dirt and grease off the stock and found a cartouche - Arrow inside a Star, which is Tula right??? More I look at this thing the more I am looking a sending it to Bubba.

Extra marks and stamps are usually seen as a good thing for Mosin collectors. They did mix and match a lot of stuff, even repaired some of the stocks, instead of just replacing them.

They are cheap fun guns to shoot.

 

[caribou]

A lotta stamps usually indicates its been in for repair and inspected more than once.

Probly served through all kinds of Man made Hell, and was taken care of properly, and eventually made its way to you.

I'd personally keep it as it is, for those reasons alone.

 

[Loosenock]

Before I sent it off to bubba I'd go out and shoot it first. You just might have a fine shooting rifle and how would you know if you don't try it out first.

'loose

 

[elwoodm]

ban bubbas its a left wing tactic to ruin fine pieces of history leave it as is or sell it to someone who can get the most out of it. the thing lasted this long and been through who knows what hell to get wreaked like this

 

[WALKERs210]

Ok will sell it as is where is, if someone wants to put it up on a pedestal surrounded by security system where it can be viewed as a possible piece of history then by all means I will sell it. Since it seems to be such a valuable rifle and it happens to belong to me then I guess I can price it as such, so how about $25,000 starting bid and will put a reserve price of $250, 000.00.

 

[Screamin'Eagle]

Ok will sell it as is where is, if someone wants to put it up on a pedestal surrounded by security system where it can be viewed as a possible piece of history then by all means I will sell it. Since it seems to be such a valuable rifle and it happens to belong to me then I guess I can price it as such, so how about $25,000 starting bid and will put a reserve price of $250, 000.00.

A bit over the top for a response, don't you think? I don't believe anyone was telling you not to modify it, I think they were trying to say shoot it first, because you might be surprised what it will do for free, before you spend any time or money on it; it might perform good enough for your needs the way it is. Then again, maybe it won't, but you don't know until you shoot it. If you're looking for accuracy, there are plenty of things you can do with it in "original" form. If you want purpose built, like I do, you may find that you want to put it in an ATI stock and mount a red dot in a scout configuration like I have done.

 

[WALKERs210]

I was basicly wondering about the armory where it began life. I knew it was not at the Tula armory but was not sure with the other markings on it. After being told the many many markings on it would show it had been in for repair many times and collectors would love to have these, and telling what a piece of history it is I might as well put it up for sale. History to me is one that was used by an individual person and actually used it in combat to save 100's of their comm rads. If no one wants to bid of the Histoical piece then it will be heading into the work room and what comes out the other side will now be a piece of history for me.

 

[Screamin'Eagle]

A lotta stamps usually indicates its been in for repair and inspected more than once.

Probly served through all kinds of Man made Hell, and was taken care of properly, and eventually made its way to you.

I'd personally keep it as it is, for those reasons alone.

This is the only comment that anyone made that said they'd keep it in original configuration, and he wasn't even telling you what to do, he was merely stating what he would do. By all means go ahead and do what you please, it's your gun after all.

Probably time for a lock. The question has been answered and now it's off topic.

 

[HankB]

When Cabela's was selling their Mosin packages for $99 I bought one, a 1939 Izhvesk. I couldn't really check the bore because it was full of Russia's equivalent of Cosmoline, but when I got it home, sure enough . . . pitting in the grooves.

It functions well enough but I had to polish the front of the extractor a little bit so it would chamber more easily, and of course it shoots high.

But for a piece of history - it's virtually certain it was used in the Great Patriotic War - I can't feel too bad about a $99 rifle that I can shoot cheap Russian milsurp out out. (If I'd paid $300 I'd be very UNhappy.)

And there are all kinds of marks on it - it's certainly been rebuilt, reblued, had new hardware & bolt fitted (with a "forced match" serial number); the square with a diagonal slash on the receiver and stock indicates service at a Soviet facility in the Ukraine. I think every Ivan who ever laid a hand on it had to leave his own mark or number . . .

 

[Dentite]

When Cabela's was selling their Mosin packages for $99 I bought one, a 1939 Izhvesk. I couldn't really check the bore because it was full of Russia's equivalent of Cosmoline, but when I got it home, sure enough . . . pitting in the grooves.

As you mentioned, you shouldn't feel too bad about it. I bought my first for $80 and I looked at 4-5 of them with semi-cleaned barrels and there was some degree of pitting in all of them. It's unusual to find a 91-30 with a pristine bore. They are out there but they are the exception as opposed to the rule.

I did recently pick up an M39 that does have a very nice bore...nearly mirror bright. Of course that cost about 3x what the 91-30s go for.

 

[WALKERs210]

I have to say that this rifle's bore has to be the dirtiest I have ever encounter. Back around 62 or so I bought a Arisaka from a junk dealer that had at least 5-6 inches of mud/gook in the bore but it cleaned up very nicely. At least now when I run a brush down the bore it don't dump rust and crap out the other end. Will it ever shine again, I doubt it but it is what it is. I guess I did over react with my comment of selling at an unbelievable price and if I cross a line I am sorry.

 

[Ash]

Even with used bores, the rifles shoot fine - though being rare is not my experience. The majority of refurbs I have encountered have good, clean bores once they get freed of the cosmoline.

It's your rifle, do as you wish. Just know that any customizing you do will reduce its value. If that doesn't matter, then fine, do what you will. Such custom jobs tend to be worth around $50-$70 tops, regardless of the money invested.