Neck ID holder instead of CCW badge?

[Redlg155]

I will first state that I would not even consider a CCW permit badge as I personally think that it would be more aggravation than it is worth. There are numerous forums and discussions and generally it is considered a bad idea.

I have toyed with the idea of putting my CCW permit in a lighweight ID holder that you hang around your neck. A lightweight string and holder sleeve could easily fit in a wallet, but at the same time be easily removed and placed around your neck. This at the very minimum give the responding officers a slight pause when responding to the scene. Easier identification of the "good" guy could keep you from having to eat a dirt sandwich while things get sorted out.

This idea is based on the belief that if you give someone a clipboard, you automatically assume that the individual is working or that the person is authorized to be in a certan location. The same goes for a neck ID holder. You automaticaly assume that the person is a staff member or good guy of some sort.

Any ideas?

 

[Rail Driver]

I think it COULD help depending on the situation and circumstances. I don't recommend leaving it visible at all times if you do go that route.

 

[docnyt]

It would make it easier to tag your body bag later.

Personally I wouldn't do it. It may even appear that you are impersonating an LEO.

 

[AlexanderA]

Kind of goes against the idea of "concealed" carry, doesn't it? I mean, you are advertizing the fact that you are carrying. (That is, if people actually stop and look at what's on the ID. Otherwise, they'll just assume that you're a government employee or somebody with clearance.)

 

[dogtown tom]

If you have a gun in hand....

When officers arrive on scene they will have you sniffing dirt immediately unless you are in a LE uniform or personally known to them.

An ID card hanging around your neck is no different than a fake badge, a company ID or an "Dont shoot me...Im a Good Guy" T shirt. They aren't going to take them time to see whats in the ID card holder.

 

[Redlg155]

Remember...the intent is to carry your id in the wallet and only remove it in the event of a shootong. It would of course be foolish to otherwise display a carry permit.

. A lightweight string and holder sleeve could easily fit in a wallet, but at the same time be easily removed and placed around your neck.

This would be much safer than folks who go around with a Glock, Smith or HK hat or T shirt.

 

[Robert]

When officers arrive on scene they will have you sniffing dirt immediately unless you are in a LE uniform or personally known to them.

When arriving on scene the only good guys are the ones in the same uniform the officer has on. If you have a gun drawn you will be commanded to drop the weapon, even IF you tell dispatch that you are the good guy with the gun. Officers are not going to take any chances. You may even get cuffed until they sort everything out. So it really does not matter where you keep your card they will ask for it and as long as you can provide it you are ok. Assuming drawing your weapon was legal in the first place.

This would be much safer than folks who go around with a Glock, Smith or HK hat or T shirt.

So my LaRue Tactical hat is unsafe? Interesting...

 

[REDMASTA]

I say keep it as simple and normal as possible by putting it in your wallet.

 

[Redlg155]

So my LaRue Tactical hat is unsafe?

Although this is not the general topic, yes. A BG in a hostage situation with any tactical knowlege would automatically identify and classify anyone with a garment that advertised a weapon brand or slogan as a potential threat.

BG enters a diner and sees a clean cut guy with Glock or "Larry's law enforcement supply"....

To throw in another variable..sometime it's a LEO that has gone off the deep end who is the BG.

 

[Robert]

A BG in a hostage situation with any tactical knowlege

All of the BGs I have had contact with were less than bright to begin with. I suspect that the type of person that would be able to identify my hat from a glance across a room would represent at best a very tiny fraction of the BG population. Not saying it couldn'y happen but I'd rank it up there with winning the lottery or getting struck by lighting.

If the you want to carry yours in a neck pouch then by all means go for it. You know best what will work for you. I like to carry it in my wallet where I know it is at all times.

 

[Redlg155]

again...please reread the post. it is only revealed after a shooting.

As for BG intelligence, im my business I review and classify hundreds of offenders who may be ex LEOs, Corrections Officers and Military SF. A good number have advanced education degrees. I've learned to never underestimate anyone.

 

[Robert]

it is only revealed after a shooting.

Ok well then carry it anywhere you like. It does not really matter then.

 

[Jon_Snow]

Having to eat a 'dirt sandwich' is the least of your concerns after an SD situation, and if that's the worst thing that happens, you should count yourself extremely lucky.

 

[click clack]

<deleted> that noise. Whats wrong with just pulling it out and showing it to police when it matters. I don't want anybody, much less the bad guys, to know I armed; that just puts a big #1 on your chest if someone personally has their SHTF...

 

[NavyLCDR]

Any ideas?

What would keep an active shooter with criminal intent with a gun on his belt from putting a colored piece of paper with some words typed on it in a badge holder around his neck and holding it up in the air when police arrive and declaring, "This is my CCW permit!"

Any cop who is responding to a shooting call where shots have been fired and trusts a guy because he has a colored piece of paper around his neck probably has too low of an IQ to survive as a cop for very long.

 

[Redlg155]

valid points have been made, it is not a very good idea.

However, I still stand on the same opinion of "gunny" apparel. I also sit with my back to the wall in a restaraunt and if at all possible, with a good view of the entrance door. Call me a bit overcautious.

 

[NavyLCDR]

You seem to be a bit overcautious.

 

[Justin]

Carrying a CCW in a neck ID holder has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Put it in your wallet where it belongs. No one will care if you use a neck lanyard, and it's not going to give you any sort of fabricated authority if you are involved in a defensive shooting.

 

[Neverwinter]

What would keep an active shooter with criminal intent with a gun on his belt from putting a colored piece of paper with some words typed on it in a badge holder around his neck and holding it up in the air when police arrive and declaring, "This is my CCW permit!"

Any cop who is responding to a shooting call where shots have been fired and trusts a guy because he has a colored piece of paper around his neck probably has too low of an IQ to survive as a cop for very long.

Garnering trust is not the primary goal, getting that pause is the goal. Experienced and seasoned cops should already have the skills to cautiously take control of a situation that they are entering, but we may not be lucky enough to have that in the aftermath of a self-defense incident. The lanyard holder would serve to break a faulty OODA loop on the part of a less experienced officer which might lead to you getting shot. The experienced officers know better.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Carrying a CCW in a neck ID holder has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

I don't know about that....

In most states it is not required to notify a police officer of the presence of a firearm or that a person holds a carry permit. Yet a lot of people subscribe to the notion that you should inform a police officer during such encounters as a traffic stop that you possess a firearm and show them your permit immediately, even if not required by law, for such reasons as "courtesy", "the officer just wants to go home safe at night", "respect", "to put the officer at ease", "to show that I am a good guy", "the officer's job is already dangerous enough", etc, etc.

Yet, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, police officer is the tenth most dangerous job in America. There are nine professions in which workers are killed more often than police. A somewhat outdated BLS report (1995, I think), showed that a taxi cab driver was 4 times more likely to be killed by homicide than a police officer.

So, it would stand to reason, that if some people are so willing to notify a police officer who has stopped them for speeding of their gun and permit for the reasons indicated above, that the CCW permit holder would be beneficial to notify those workers who are more likely to be killed on the job than a cop of the legal status of the person carrying the gun...

 

[PlateStacker]

From a LEO - When arriving to a scene where multiple persons are shooting, I can give a damn about your little CCW card. I'm going to wrap you up and secure you immediatly. Just because you have a CCW card, no matter where it's at.. does NOT mean your are innocent or arent going to be arrested. I will still detain you. People often think a CCW permit is a pass for somthing. You think I'm going to see your CCW permit and say "Oh it's cool everyone, this one's a good guy!" lmao

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

This isn't a fishing license that has to be on display for the fish & game officer to see. Leave in your wallet with your other ID.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Although this is not the general topic, yes. A BG in a hostage situation with any tactical knowlege would automatically identify and classify anyone with a garment that advertised a weapon brand or slogan as a potential threat.

BG enters a diner and sees a clean cut guy with Glock or "Larry's law enforcement supply"....

To throw in another variable..sometime it's a LEO that has gone off the deep end who is the BG.

Reminds me of what some people say about open carry.... They see a possible threat when they case the place, they wait till that possible threat is gone.

 

[langenc]

Carrying a CCW in a neck ID holder has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Put it in your wallet where it belongs. No one will care if you use a neck lanyard, and it's not going to give you any sort of fabricated authority if you are involved in a defensive shooting.
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Post from Justin #18..

I read it to be a ID holder/WALLET-tucked under the shirt(he didnt use those words-he said neck ID). I use one quite a bit. No one knows it is there-certainly less than a wallet in jeans that everyone sees the bulge/lighter color on the jeans.

Actually a VERY GOOD idea. You dont have to remove seatbelt and practically get out of the vehicle to get it out of your pocket.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Reminds me of what some people say about open carry.... They see a possible threat when they case the place, they wait till that possible threat is gone.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-atlanta/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw