jmbg29
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Nope!
As others here have said, it is next to impossible to get a carry license in N.Y.C. (you have to be able to prove that your life is worth protecting).
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(NY) Another New Yorker Charged While Defending His Family
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:banghead: TheOtherOne
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Yeah, I realized that after I typed it. Unless his mother's grave was ashes up on the mantle of his apartment... he couldn't even protect that.It's a sad country we live in sometimes. But with that said, I still wouldn't want to be any place else.
As a very pro-gun new yorker who wears his NRA hat in Manhattan and the Hamptons I take alot of crap from the liberals I am surrounded and outumbered by. I have concluded that most people here want to be coddled by the state and feel safe with alot of meaningless laws. But most of all they don't want to take responsibility for their own safety - it drives me mad.
Most of all the anti's I run into feel superior to because it is 'intellectual' to oppose guns. When people at work hear that I took days off to hunt I get every snide remark in the book and I explain to them in my backround hunting is a religion. But I work with guys who never fish or hunt with their fathers or sons.
Those of us 2A's try our best - I take people to my range and introduce as many people to shooting as possible as well as the conception that their personal safety is their job.
But we are so outnumbered it is hopeless think that things will change - I will continue to the fight the libs and anti's but I know in the end I will move back to the hills and leave NYC to the animals.
The extent of peoples lack of thought was brought home after 9/11. For some reason people flocked to my gun range and wanted to buy pistols and shotguns. It was common to hear them get frustrated at the range workers for the 8 to 12 month wait. They would ask why and all we would say is - "Who did you vote for?"
Most of all the anti's I run into feel superior to because it is 'intellectual' to oppose guns. When people at work hear that I took days off to hunt I get every snide remark in the book and I explain to them in my backround hunting is a religion. But I work with guys who never fish or hunt with their fathers or sons.
Those of us 2A's try our best - I take people to my range and introduce as many people to shooting as possible as well as the conception that their personal safety is their job.
But we are so outnumbered it is hopeless think that things will change - I will continue to the fight the libs and anti's but I know in the end I will move back to the hills and leave NYC to the animals.
The extent of peoples lack of thought was brought home after 9/11. For some reason people flocked to my gun range and wanted to buy pistols and shotguns. It was common to hear them get frustrated at the range workers for the 8 to 12 month wait. They would ask why and all we would say is - "Who did you vote for?"
mjustice
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Sar:
Are you involved with any of the local gun-rights groups (Friends of the NRA doesn't count)? SCOPE's NYC Chapter? SAFE? WCFOA?
MJ
Are you involved with any of the local gun-rights groups (Friends of the NRA doesn't count
)? SCOPE's NYC Chapter? SAFE? WCFOA?MJ
12GA
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Sar,
Did you get my email?
Did you get my email?
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Does anybody know what N.Y.C laws entail in regards to "Justifiable Homicide" with a legally owned firearm?
I live in N.Y.C (civilian), have a N.Y.C premise permit, have a registered handgun; However, I am uncertain when it comes to protecting my family and property from intruders.
When I received my permit and registered my gun with N.Y.P.D, they provided me with 'no feedback' in reference to Justifiable shooting's. Additionally, I have researched and found NO information to reference.The incongruities and ambiguities concerning these matters, can create uncertainties and confusion for legally abiding Gun owners in N.Y.C as myself.
In the event of an intrusion, from a tactical point of view, many scenerios can transpire (intruder in: backyard, hallway, apartment, basement, etc.) Many circumstances, as well ( intruder armed, unarmed, aggressive, non-aggresive, accompanied, etc.) I just want to know what my limitations are (how many shots too many), hence, in an emergency, I will know what to do, and what not to do.
Also, I commend the individuals in these stories, of whom defended their lives and those of their loved ones. By any means.
Does anybody know what N.Y.C laws entail in regards to "Justifiable Homicide" with a legally owned firearm?
I live in N.Y.C (civilian), have a N.Y.C premise permit, have a registered handgun; However, I am uncertain when it comes to protecting my family and property from intruders.
When I received my permit and registered my gun with N.Y.P.D, they provided me with 'no feedback' in reference to Justifiable shooting's. Additionally, I have researched and found NO information to reference.The incongruities and ambiguities concerning these matters, can create uncertainties and confusion for legally abiding Gun owners in N.Y.C as myself.
In the event of an intrusion, from a tactical point of view, many scenerios can transpire (intruder in: backyard, hallway, apartment, basement, etc.) Many circumstances, as well ( intruder armed, unarmed, aggressive, non-aggresive, accompanied, etc.) I just want to know what my limitations are (how many shots too many), hence, in an emergency, I will know what to do, and what not to do.
Also, I commend the individuals in these stories, of whom defended their lives and those of their loved ones. By any means.
Flyboy
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...at. The D.A. deserves to be fired at.
I would also have accepted "...out of a cannon."
I would like to know how long the dead man stayed in prision for his two prior felonies committed with a handgun. Yea all those laws keep this twice felon from committing his 3rd with a handgun. Wonder if he had a permit??????????? I do wonder how long he was in prision for the type of crimes the liberals say they pass their stupid him laws to prevent. Anyone want to bet it was not long at all. 
beerslurpy
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I love all the apologists who try to play off NYC's laws as reasonable because it only takes several months of effort (longer than federal MG clearance times) and 300 dollars (more money than registering a MG!) to get a single pistol to keep in the privacy of your own home. Unlike a machine gun, you have to do it again every 3 years and you can lose it if you get ARRESTED.
NYCs gun laws have been an abomination for nearly a century. To keep a gun inside your house should require absolutely no permit whatsoever. Nor permission. Nor license. Nor a stinking fee. The only time these laws ever become relevant is when an otherwise law-abiding citizen averts an immediate tragedy by defending themselves. The criminals all have loads of weapons. Note that the criminal in this case was armed with a revolver.
NYCs gun laws have been an abomination for nearly a century. To keep a gun inside your house should require absolutely no permit whatsoever. Nor permission. Nor license. Nor a stinking fee. The only time these laws ever become relevant is when an otherwise law-abiding citizen averts an immediate tragedy by defending themselves. The criminals all have loads of weapons. Note that the criminal in this case was armed with a revolver.
Igloodude
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Props to the kid, on many levels. I probably would have taken a little of the cash lying around and used it to move my mom to someplace that isn't NYC.
Anyway, like someone else, I wonder if his lawyer couldn't use the 'doctrine of competing harms' to get clear of this. Is it possible that the ADA is looking to avoid a grand jury indictment because if this goes to trial there could be a precedent set with respect to that doctrine, that will lead to positive RKBA progress?
Anyway, like someone else, I wonder if his lawyer couldn't use the 'doctrine of competing harms' to get clear of this. Is it possible that the ADA is looking to avoid a grand jury indictment because if this goes to trial there could be a precedent set with respect to that doctrine, that will lead to positive RKBA progress?
The laws in NYC are amazing to me. To think I need to spend $280-$350 every three years for each handgun (jury's still out on actual total) seems incredible. I cannot understand how anyone would find the cost, the wait, or the mere officiousness of such a law reasonable at any level.
But ...
Not really what I'd call wanting to "destroy" him, and I'm fairly sure that it will hardly involve any blood at all.
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Try closing your eyes and taking a deep, cleansing breath. Yea - the kid deserves a medal and a vacation rather than to be arrested. But this is a misdemeanor that (rumor has it) they're not even looking for a weekend in jail over.
Not really what I'd call wanting to "destroy" him, and I'm fairly sure that it will hardly involve any blood at all.
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Don Gwinn
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You guys do realize the incident you're discussing happened three years ago, right? Right. Carry on.
I wonder what actually happened in this case?
I wonder what actually happened in this case?
RangerHAAF
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And a lot of people wonder why Giulani, Bloomberg and other NE Republican politicians don't have the kind of appeal nationally that is necessary to win the White House? I would have thought that they finally understood that you don't get between a man and his guns in this country. Except in California and the North Eastern US.
I've got news for them, the south and western states are scheduled to pick up more seats in Congress after 2010 and a lot of anti-gun strongholds are going to become less relevent to the electoral college.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051222/D8EL8GCG9.html
I've got news for them, the south and western states are scheduled to pick up more seats in Congress after 2010 and a lot of anti-gun strongholds are going to become less relevent to the electoral college.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051222/D8EL8GCG9.html
I didn't notice the date stamp untill I'd read about halfway through the thread. Incidentally, it's now $340 + $99.
http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/dclm/ldinfo.html
You can buy a nice handgun just for the price of fees! Sad.
I also like this:
"Arrest Information. . . If you were ever arrested, indicted or summonsed for any reason, other than a traffic infraction, you must answer "Yes" to question #23 on the handgun license application and submit a certificate of disposition showing the offense and disposition. Also, you must submit a detailed, notarized statement describing the circumstances surrounding each arrest or summons. YOU MUST DO THIS EVEN IF: the case was dismissed, the record was sealed or the case was nullified by operation of law. The New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services will report to us every instance involving the criminal prosecution of an applicant. DO NOT rely on anyone's representation that you need not list a previous arrest or summons."
In other words, you better not have ever been arrested for any reason, just as someone suggested above.
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http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/dclm/ldinfo.html
You can buy a nice handgun just for the price of fees! Sad.
I also like this:
"Arrest Information. . . If you were ever arrested, indicted or summonsed for any reason, other than a traffic infraction, you must answer "Yes" to question #23 on the handgun license application and submit a certificate of disposition showing the offense and disposition. Also, you must submit a detailed, notarized statement describing the circumstances surrounding each arrest or summons. YOU MUST DO THIS EVEN IF: the case was dismissed, the record was sealed or the case was nullified by operation of law. The New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services will report to us every instance involving the criminal prosecution of an applicant. DO NOT rely on anyone's representation that you need not list a previous arrest or summons."
In other words, you better not have ever been arrested for any reason, just as someone suggested above.
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