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Best of luck with her thefitzvh.

I'd start by slapping the **** out of the boyfriend rather than her. Find out exactly how it started. Talk to her separately afterwards and ask her how it started as well. You're going to have to be really forceful with her. She needs to check into a rehab. Make sure that happens and show her alot of love.
 
Well I just got back , and I'm responding to all my subscribed highroad messages. :D

Thanks for the well wishes guys... I knew I could get some advice.

New news from her: she ASKED to come home, wasn't kicked out by the BF. That's encouraging. She's decided that the best thing to do is get as far away from the big city as possible. Gramma's taking her to Ridgecrest tomorrow to stay with her. (my hometown)

Once there, she's gonna get some treatment and start putting things back together.

We had a nice long talk... i basically told her that I know there's stuff she can't talk to mom about, and I know there's stuff she can't talk to her friends about, but WE have been through some serious s**t (beyond the scope of this thread) together, and that I don't care where she was in the state, if she feels like giving in to the temptation, call me, and I'll be there to stop her. I also told her that she had no choice but to get off the stuff, because I would forcefully keep her from it if need be. I think i struck the right balance between firm and caring.

I also told her that if anything happened to her, I'd lose it. Probably go after the BF, and his dealer buddies. Don't worry guys, I'll make sure to do it with a baseball bat so we can avoid more Cali gun control... *bad joke... sorry*

Anyways, thanks. For those that PMed me, I'll follow up with you guys tomorrow. I just wanna read some gun related stuff to lift my spirits and then go to bed.

Thanks all.

On the other hand, had a helluva time today spending it with her. We got her back into target shooting today (AIRSOFT!!!! AIRSOFT!!!! heh... just airsoft guys! I hear you all having heart attacks!)

Also got some food and LOTS of conversation. That was the best part. I think we got lotsa work to do, but it's encouraging that she trusts me enough to let me help her out. I think it's cuz she knows I'm not gonna baby her.

Anyways, thanks guys. Have a great night. Thanks mods for keeping this open.


James
 
"treat it like an illness. "
"My experience is with Alcoholics. Same disease , different drug of choice."

How is it a disease when...

You catch it by choosing to use.
The cure is choosing not to use.

:confused:

I think a lot of people would like that choice with other diseases.
 
How is it a disease when...You catch it by choosing to use.
The cure is choosing not to use.

With all due respect, I think this is somewhat out of line. Someone posted a request for support. If you want to debate the merits of certain treatment approaches or disease vs. choice, you could start your own topic. Many diseases have an element of choice. I read that most cancers are cause by environmental causes (smoking, diet, etc.).
 
what you have to realize is that you cant do anything for that person unless they want it.
She must not have contact with anybody from that part of her life...Those people must be dead to her.
These two pieces of advice, in my experience as well, are the key to success.

In addition, she is your sister, love her and do all you can for her, but don't trust her until she earns it all over again.

I also agree that addiction is not a disease. Lymphoma is a disease. Addiction is a choice. Some people are more prone to it than others, but it is all about willpower. A disease does not offer you the option of choosing not to have it. I also don't think it's out of line to point that out in this case. Our friend has a problem with a loved one who is addicted, understanding addiction is what he needs right now. And the whole 'disease' thing is a mistake, IMO, and clouds the issue - which is all about choice and willpower.

She needs a new life, one where her drug use is very obviously out of place, unnatural. One where it is keeping her from things she wants. One where she has love and support and incentive, and nothing of her old life.

The fact that she came home on her own is HUGELY ENCOURAGING. That is fantastic.

Whatever you have to do, do not let her talk to her old boyfriend, ever again. If she has a cell phone, get it changed to a new one. Don't let her be listed in the phonebook. Seriously. Contact with an old using boyfriend will trigger a relapse in a heartbeat. At least it has in the people I've known.

- Gabe
 
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She's a big girl right? Let her make her own choices. If she wants to stop being a coke head, let her know she's making the right choice. If she wants to be a coke head, let her know how her choice hurts you, but otherwise let it alone. Granted we're in different circumstances, I've let friends go after they became drug addicts, and you can't exactly let your sis "go". But there's a lot of good stuff on this thread. The bottom line, and I'll repeat it is, "The only thing that can make an addict quit is the desire to quit." 'Nuff said.
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atek3
 
If she wants to stop, get her in rehab ASAP, keep her away from other dopers, keep her busy. A lot of people slip back into it because they are bored, don't let that happen. Best of luck.
 
My question is: DO REHABS REALLY WORK?

After years of street experience as a former LEO,
I have yet to find one that meets expectations! I find
that the person (the addict) has to want the available
help; before anyone can notice any progress. We have
several in house treatment centers here locally; but
most are out for the almighty $$$$; and are run by
recovering drug addicts! :uhoh: :cool: :D

Good Luck on your sisters recovery!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
I'm getting into a very slippery gray area when I post this. One is to be anonymous in media and print. My sponsor with 24 years of sobriety damn near died recently. He "thought" he could have a little drink from time to time now after all these years. It is One day at a time.

The "disease" is the inability to live life on life's terms. Some folks overeat, some abuse sex, gamble, drink or do drugs. You will note all these have 12 step programs btw.

"A disease that manifests itself in the mind with the physical addiction of a substance to cope".

I am more familar with the alcoholic and that "avenue of escape from reality". Other "avenues" provide the same escape for other folks.

During a stressful time someone may overeat, get past the stressful time and not have that eating problem. Well folks go through a divorce, get fired, and get drunk really bad...not a behavior that happens all the time, maybe just that once.

IMO and using what learned from reading the AA book ( "Big Book") . An alcoholic may be just fine, until he takes that first drink. Being wired the way the alcoholic is...he cannot stop.

I, me personally ... believe this, I have seen the gates of hell. I went a year and "thought" I could drink like normal folks. 3 weeks later I was right back were I was - Them gates of hell are more real , the smoke and smell of brimstone and the flame were to damn close the second time. That was 20 yrs ago. If I drank today I would pick up and be if I had not stopped 20 yrs ago. My sponsor , was in the same shape as if he had been drinking all of these 24 yrs.

I have heard too many folks that abused Narcotics share the same story. Forgive me and others that have seen the gates of hell, but we will continue to refer to this as a disease .

Ala Dan , Rehab is our friend, just as we accept the clergy, friends, family and Medical. We appreciate these services to get us over the DT's, to keep us from going into Shock, MI's and such. These are all fine and have a respectful place.

IMO/IME and again this is discussed in the Big Book - Without the 12 steps an individual will not stay sober. Too many folks have tried the "easier and softer way" paying for Rehab and all without 12 steps and died drunk/overdosed.

1/10 that are "drunks" get help. 1/10 of these gets sober. 9/10 of us die drunk. Odds suck, beats the alternative tho'.

Get a copy of the Big Book before judgement is made. It is used by Al Anon as well.

IN the Big book is a quote attibuted to Herbert Spencer -"...condemnation before investigation..."

I'll see if someone knows the rest and where in the book it is found. A pm is fine . ;)
 
Bravo, Spacemanspiff!

one day you will be involved in this conversation:

"But Lord, when did I see You naked and clothe You? When did I feed you when You were hungry?"

"So long as you did this for the least of My children, you did it for Me."
 
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