Pierce Morgan is definitely the frontman of the antigunners

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@Greenmachin3, I totally forgot about the Swiss, and certainly didn't know it in quite that depth, that's pretty cool. Thanks for the correction. The knife information is really something. I wish the people in this country could hear about that stuff.

@heeler, I think you're right. I mentioned it earlier. On it's face it sounds silly, but for someone like Morgan, who is evidently still an adult adolescent, envy is something he would still subliminally act upon. So it seems anyway...
 
P Morgan always try to say , Yes I understand your rights to bear arms in his interviews but in actuality he has no idea or clue what the true meaning of it. He says it just to say it on TV. THe man is a Britisher, a subject to the King and Queen of England. A subject by the word alone has no rights, subjects are subjected to the mercy, whims and caprices of their socalled King and Queen. Pls , Mr Morgan , dont let your vaunted BRitish template of a gunless society be shove down our throats. We will spit it out ....
 
We're preaching to the choir here guys, while MSNBC is taking this and running with it.

http://www.facebook.com/msnbc/posts/128702507295178

If you have a facebook, take your comment over to MSNBC to read. Keep it sensible and High Road to contrast the craziness of Alex Jones to show them that we are the well-reasoned, intelligent side of the debate. I feel a little silly being one of the few pro-2A folks trying to bring reason and level-headedness into the fray.
 
Well, we tried to be nice to the Redcoats in the past.
Hopefully this kind of crap from a citizen of the U.K. will rekindle our support of our 2A rights!
 
Its a psywar and info war at this stage. Since i already quit my facebook years ago, i have no way to relay my thoughts. Just that...
 
Piers Morgan, Propaganda 101

Piers Morgan having Alex Jones as a gun rights spokesman in a "debate" is the tactical equivalent of having the Unabomber as an environmental spokesman, a low blow cheapshot since there are tons of better spokespersons for both sides.

Wikipedia:
According to the Huffington Post, after an appearance on Piers Morgan's show in January 2013, Morgan and others such as Glenn Beck "agreed that Jones was a terrible spokesman for gun rights".[26]

16. "Piers Morgan: Alex Jones 'Terrifying,' A Perfect 'Advertisement For Gun Control'". The Huffington Post. Retrieved 9 January 2013.

And Piers Morgan picked Alex Jones as guest because he was known to be terrifying and was exactly who Morgan wanted to position as an advertisement for gun control. Like saying the Unabomber is an argument against clean air and potable water.
 
Interesting how people are so shortsighted as to forget history and human nature, hmm?

It is human nature for the vast majority of people to want to live out their lives in peace, raising their families and doing their business, not causing much trouble.

It is also human nature for a small percentage of the people to act aggressively and controlingly, to take what they want and live off the efforts of others. For these people, strength rules.

Until recently in human history, that strength was what ruled. Even the weapons which were used required strength...clubs, knives, swords, bow, catapult, and so forth.

There are two main tactics the weaker can employ against the stronger:

1. Overwhelm his strength by numbers.

2. Engage the stronger enemy in a position where his strength will not overwhelm the weaker.

The best weapon the weaker have against the strong is one that has the ability to engage the enemy at a distance in which his physical strength is no longer an overwhelming factor. By definition, such weapons have to be able to reach the enemy at long distances, do so effectively, and be portable.

As those types of weapons evolved, power started shifting, allowing the weaker to have a far greater say in the workings of man.


This power struggle is still ongoing. Why? Because it's human nature. And that nature has not changed one wit.

The stronger ruling class may not be the big, burly guys wielding a sword or a mace in the battlefield any more. But they are STILL the stronger...and the ones who hold power. Hopefully, no more power than that which the majority of the population allows them to have.

But power is power...and it corrupts, seeking more power and more control. It always has to be held in check.


Much has been said about this, in one fashion or another. About the power of the gun, and its dangers.

But the gun has brought the weaker something even more powerful than that: the power to have a say in the governing body over them. THAT is the power that must be exercised in order to ensure we retain our liberties.

The gun isn't just a tool...it's a symbol. One we cannot give up, because if we do, we've announced that we're rolling over and presenting our bellies to the enemy.

If things are working as they should, the gun is the tool the weaker use to protect themselves against the small-fry "evils" in this world. The criminals who seek to prey on the weak at the expense of the weak.

This is because we cannot eliminate those types, no matter how strong the government may be. Giving the government that much power removes our own liberties and rights in the process. And historically, we know it doesn't work anyway.

What kingdom ever had a criminal free country? What emperor can say that no crime ever existed in his empire? What dynasty was ever free from strife?

None. Not a one.


The gun gives the weak the power to protect themselves, so that the government can go about its business doing what the people want it to do...which is to protect the liberties and rights the weaker have charged them with doing.


Pierce Morgan, and others like him, are ironically most likely living in a fantasy world, one populated by people who truely believe that if all guns were eliminated, there would be no more crime, no more wars. Very likely people like him are nothing more than tools, allowing themselves to be manipulated by the powerful for their own objectives, truely believing that some utopian goal can be acheived.

All the while forgetting that it's human nature itself which we need protection from, which hasn't changed at all over the history of man.

All the while, conveniently forgetting that it was the sacrifice of countless millions of the weak to gain the rights and liberties we have now. Ironically, those same rights and liberties which allow people like Pierce Morgan to cry about guns.


Well, he can just bugger off as far as I'm concerned.

I'm sure as a UK citizen, he fully understands what that phrase means.

:D
 
Its a psywar and info war at this stage. Since i already quit my facebook years ago, i have no way to relay my thoughts. Just that...

You are absolutely right. And yes you do! I can understand you not wanting a facebook, but I feel that the benefits of potentially reaching literally thousands of people to outweigh the potential security risks. Otherwise, sign up with an alias on CNN, ABC, MSNBC and post your views there.

It pains me to see so much good information and convincing arguments here on THR (such as the above by RetUSNChief) but not getting out there to the masses. It's kind of like evangelism and the church in Christianity; how can you expect your message to spread when its kept within the confines of the church? You're just evangelizing the already aware. You have to take the information out there.

We need more psywarriors.
 
OP - I hope your use of "more smarter" was an attempt at comedic irony, given the context in which it was used.
 
Piers is in America based on the good grace of the State Department and INS. He is from a country that makes it hard to own firearms legally. That is his opinion and he is free to express that opinion. What he does not realize is that his freedom as a guest to express his opinion is just as important as my freedom to carry a firearm. Maybe he does not like the fact that a bunch of armed 'colonials' ran out his country's military 200 years ago?
 
CNN knew exactly what they were doing by putting Alex Jones on there. They painted all pro-gun folks in a negative light. Piers Morgan just kept his cool while Alex Jones made a fool of himself and made "gun nuts," as we are sometimes called, to look like, well, nuts.
 
Definitely im allergic listening to a British guy telling us about our gun right s needed to be curtailed. Im sure we all have a problem with that. The fact America was founded by patriots who fought against the British monarchy in 1774 and become independent, maybe Morgan is pushing the limits of the modern day American patriots. And of course he got the full political backings and approval of the antigunners to challenge the 2A and gun community as a whole.

I am going to be a nitpicker...

The first shot was April 19th, 1775. Join us at an Appleseed for further details. There may be one closer to you but I plan on being at one in March at Davilla, about 150 miles up the road from Houston.
 
Tonight' he will be bringing in more progun interviewees. I wonder who they are inviting.
 
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Our focus now should be to stand on the merits of 2A and not get distracted by Morgan . It afforded the citizens to protect their lives from fellow citizens who intend to do harm, and against a govt of the people turning tyranical in the process. The patriots of the time made sure people of the nation of America will remain free and have the capability to fight for freedom whichever it takes..
 
For Christ's sake, the UK has more violent crime than South Africa, and Joburg is one of the most dangerous cities on the planet.

In the UK a "violent crime" can mean a lot of things, including affray which is "using or threatening violence towards another person."
Comparing the UK with South Africa for violent crime is laughable, they are worlds apart.
 
I lived in the UK in the mid to late 90s for two years. I had many long discussions with colleagues about guns. The UK has a completely different mentality than we do regarding firearms. Folks there felt that if someone broke into your home and you were home and you shot them that it was completely reasonable for you to go to jail for doing this. This was a conversation with just one person, it was many folks over two years. He is anti gun becuase of the culture he was raised in to begin with. Yes, I am generalzing a bit but there is a completely different mindset by many over there.
 
I lived in the UK in the mid to late 90s for two years. I had many long discussions with colleagues about guns. The UK has a completely different mentality than we do regarding firearms. Folks there felt that if someone broke into your home and you were home and you shot them that it was completely reasonable for you to go to jail for doing this. This was a conversation with just one person, it was many folks over two years. He is anti gun becuase of the culture he was raised in to begin with. Yes, I am generalzing a bit but there is a completely different mindset by many over there.

On the one had it is true that these are two different cultures with regards to perceptions about firearms. It seems to me that the British today just don't have that desire to have firearms. I think it has to do with acceptance of the nanny state and a general lack of individual responsibility. The perceived need for firearms just isn't great enough, not even for sporting purposes. They could not even get Olympic spec rimfire pistols unbanned so that UK competitors could practise in England for the Olympics.

On the other hand things are changing with regards to persons being shot with legally held firearms in a home defense situation. Here's one of them:

http://tinyurl.com/8s3n7qm

I don't think Piers Morgan has many fans back in the UK but clearly he has found a profitable "gig" bashing gun owners on his show in the US. I don't know why people bother to go on that show or on any other show where the guest is likely to be shouted down (I think Lawrence O'Donnell is far worse than Piers Morgan).
It's never going to amount to anything good.
Calls to have him deported and "pro gun" guests going on his show ranting and raving does nothing good for gun owners and merely serves to fatten Morgan's wallet.

The very people who can't stand him are ensuring he retains the limelight. It is quite sad.
 
Odd Job,

You're right. Bad example to make a point. The definitions of violent crime are different. South Africa has gotten really bad.

However, if you look up assaults and robberies (not burglaries), the UK is the worst in the EU. The UK also has one of the fastest changing violent crime rate curves. Meaning its getting worse faster.

Overall crime is dropping, but violent crime is actually increasing sharply against the trend. So with that I stand by my conclusion that along with stagnant economics, massive immigration that doesn't assimilate, the removal of credible threat by law abiding citizens provided by firearms has made it a free for all for violent criminals. God forbid you have to defend your home with lethal or near lethal force.

Edit: I'm glad to see some legal precedent being established for defending your property and gift of life. Quite encouraging, isn't it?
 
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