Beagle-zebub
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My take on the nomenclature issue is that "revolver" and "autopistol" are subsets of "pistol," but that "pistol" is used in place of "autopistol," since it doesn't have the controversial "auto-" prefix.
Pistol vs. revolver
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pistobro206
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I'm no expert, but I usually like to go by the K.I.S.S. principle.
Although I enjoy shooting autos I would think the revolver has fewer moving/reciprocating parts and would stand to be more reliable than an auto.
That being said, I carry an auto, but would like to someday carry a revolver.
Interesting responses on the terminology. I always thought pistol was describing autos more than being generic like the word "handguns".
-Albert
Although I enjoy shooting autos I would think the revolver has fewer moving/reciprocating parts and would stand to be more reliable than an auto.
That being said, I carry an auto, but would like to someday carry a revolver.
Interesting responses on the terminology. I always thought pistol was describing autos more than being generic like the word "handguns".
-Albert
BlindJustice
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I can't recommend a 686P because it doesn't work for me. That's not to
say I don't like or can't shoot a revolver. My first handgun was a S&W
MOdel 18 4" Bbl. 6 shot .22 LR it served me well on the farm in my teens.
Today, I have a full size 1911 and it's my carry piece, strong side FBI cant
carried at 3:30 - somedays at the range I shoot the 1911 bettter than the 625 - other days the 625 comes out on top. ??
Double Tap for the same bullet weights
---- 10 MM AUto --------- .357 Magnum ---------
135 gr. Nosler JHP 125 gr. Gold Dot JHP
1.600 FPS/767 Ft Lbs 1,600 FPS/710 Ft. Lbs
( Glock 20 ) 4" Ruger GP100
155 gr. Gold Dot JHP 158 gr. Gold Dot JHP
1,475 FPS/750 Ft Lbs 1,400 FPS/686 Ft Lbs
(Glock 20, but with 4: Ruger GP100
Glock 29 1,405 FPS)
180 gr. Gold Dot JHP 180 gr. FNWC Hardcast
1,300 FPS/676 Ft Lbs 1,300 FPS/676 Ft Lbs
(Glock 20, but with 4" Ruger GP100
Glock 29 1,240 FPS)
& since you didn't ask.....
but when does that stop anybody
around here?
Double Tap Ammo offeringss
.45 ACP ----------------- .40 S&W -----
185 gr Speer Gold Dot JHP 155 gr. SPeer Gold Dot JHP
1225 fps 616 ft lbs 1,275 FPS 560 ft. lbs
200 gr. Speer Gold DOt JHP 165 gr. Speer Gold Dot JHP
1125 FPS 562 Ft lbs 1,200 FPS 528 fl lbs
230 gr. Speer Gold DOt JHP 180 gr. Speer Gold DOt JHP
1,010 FPS 521 FPS 1,100 FPS @ 484 ft lbs l
How About the 610 3 7/8" Bbl.
10MM Auto -or- .40 S&W in full moon clips
get a shoulder rig.
and a smaller ccw platform when a shoulder rig
doesn't work
Randall
say I don't like or can't shoot a revolver. My first handgun was a S&W
MOdel 18 4" Bbl. 6 shot .22 LR it served me well on the farm in my teens.
Today, I have a full size 1911 and it's my carry piece, strong side FBI cant
carried at 3:30 - somedays at the range I shoot the 1911 bettter than the 625 - other days the 625 comes out on top. ??
Double Tap for the same bullet weights
---- 10 MM AUto --------- .357 Magnum ---------
135 gr. Nosler JHP 125 gr. Gold Dot JHP
1.600 FPS/767 Ft Lbs 1,600 FPS/710 Ft. Lbs
( Glock 20 ) 4" Ruger GP100
155 gr. Gold Dot JHP 158 gr. Gold Dot JHP
1,475 FPS/750 Ft Lbs 1,400 FPS/686 Ft Lbs
(Glock 20, but with 4: Ruger GP100
Glock 29 1,405 FPS)
180 gr. Gold Dot JHP 180 gr. FNWC Hardcast
1,300 FPS/676 Ft Lbs 1,300 FPS/676 Ft Lbs
(Glock 20, but with 4" Ruger GP100
Glock 29 1,240 FPS)
& since you didn't ask.....
but when does that stop anybody
around here?
Double Tap Ammo offeringss
.45 ACP ----------------- .40 S&W -----
185 gr Speer Gold Dot JHP 155 gr. SPeer Gold Dot JHP
1225 fps 616 ft lbs 1,275 FPS 560 ft. lbs
200 gr. Speer Gold DOt JHP 165 gr. Speer Gold Dot JHP
1125 FPS 562 Ft lbs 1,200 FPS 528 fl lbs
230 gr. Speer Gold DOt JHP 180 gr. Speer Gold DOt JHP
1,010 FPS 521 FPS 1,100 FPS @ 484 ft lbs l
How About the 610 3 7/8" Bbl.
10MM Auto -or- .40 S&W in full moon clips
get a shoulder rig.
and a smaller ccw platform when a shoulder rig
doesn't work
Randall
Hawk
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On average, revolvers have more moving parts. Sadly, I think the folks in the revolver forum are worn out with me posting schematics so I'll spare the group this time.
My opinion is that you should choose whatever gun you can hit the center of the target with, WITHOUT AIMING. That can take alota gun purchases before you find the best one that fits your hand the best and points naturally the best for you. everyone is different. Revolvers tend to be good at this, and SAA sometimes slightly better. But everyone is different.
And this is precisely how I justify buying so many. I'm still trying to find the perfect one.
Oh, one huge advantage revolvers have over autos is the grip. The shape and size of the grip is very cusomizable. If you really want to, you can make your own out of wood or some other sculptable material and make it fit your hand perfectly. For smith and wesson K frames, there are so many different shape and size and styles of grips...it's practially impossible to NOT be able to make it fit your hand very well.
But, the obvious downside to revolvers is ammo capacity. Also, the cylinder is too fat for comfortable concealed carry, imo.
And this is precisely how I justify buying so many. I'm still trying to find the perfect one.
Oh, one huge advantage revolvers have over autos is the grip. The shape and size of the grip is very cusomizable. If you really want to, you can make your own out of wood or some other sculptable material and make it fit your hand perfectly. For smith and wesson K frames, there are so many different shape and size and styles of grips...it's practially impossible to NOT be able to make it fit your hand very well.
But, the obvious downside to revolvers is ammo capacity. Also, the cylinder is too fat for comfortable concealed carry, imo.
BlindJustice
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Many say the .40 Cal 10MM Auto with the bore size
is almost up to .41 Magnum power levels and is clearly
above .357 Mag. It's better debated over a beverage
of course.
Randall
is almost up to .41 Magnum power levels and is clearly
above .357 Mag. It's better debated over a beverage
of course.
Randall
BlindJustice
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As far as terminology goes.... here's an example of imprecise
usage of terms. I got into a heated discussion with a curmudgeon
who insisted on calling loaded ammunition "Bullets" I told him they
are loaded cartridges, or just ammo for the popular term. I gave up...
We went to the range and he remarked he needed to pick up some bullets
for the range visit. It was his first time at the range I am a member at and
I told him there's a Sporting Goods store not a block away. So we walked in, and I told him I wanted to look at what they had under the counter for
handguns. It's a long e-W counter and where the handguns are happens to be where they keep reloading components at the W. end. At the east end is the area - so as I am looking at a 1911 he askes for some .45 ACP
Bullets - no, I didn't tell him what he was gitting, but I had a good idea.
So he asked for .45 ACP bullets - he has a Para P14
We got to the range and he went to load up his two double stack
magazines.... and began ranting about his box of 100 230 gr.
.45 Bullets it wasn't loaded ammo. He had to buy range ammo which wasn't that much more. Then we went back and he tried to bitch but the
clerk said i gave you what you asked for and that's what the label sez.
He calls it ammo now.
Randall
usage of terms. I got into a heated discussion with a curmudgeon
who insisted on calling loaded ammunition "Bullets" I told him they
are loaded cartridges, or just ammo for the popular term. I gave up...
We went to the range and he remarked he needed to pick up some bullets
for the range visit. It was his first time at the range I am a member at and
I told him there's a Sporting Goods store not a block away. So we walked in, and I told him I wanted to look at what they had under the counter for
handguns. It's a long e-W counter and where the handguns are happens to be where they keep reloading components at the W. end. At the east end is the area - so as I am looking at a 1911 he askes for some .45 ACP
Bullets - no, I didn't tell him what he was gitting, but I had a good idea.
So he asked for .45 ACP bullets - he has a Para P14
We got to the range and he went to load up his two double stack
magazines.... and began ranting about his box of 100 230 gr.
.45 Bullets it wasn't loaded ammo. He had to buy range ammo which wasn't that much more. Then we went back and he tried to bitch but the
clerk said i gave you what you asked for and that's what the label sez.
He calls it ammo now.
Randall
Drgong
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You only carry two guns in the bad side of town? I make Il Duce from the boondock saints look like a lightly armed main.
For those who don't know who Il Duce is
swopejs
Member
WOW! I didn't know I could "purposely" stir up this much conversation!
Anyway, I just got back from Cabela's, where I bought a Dan Wesson RZ-10 (full sized 1911 in 10mm). I decided on this choice based on BlindJustice's wisdom:
"No platform is 100% reliable I've had to take revolvers to a gunsmith
to unjam a cylinder or check the mainspring if a screw backed off, I pay
the pros to fix em as I'm not skilled in that area. I've never left the range
without having the ability to clear a semi-auto, load it and take it home."
Additionally, after posting my experience (based on BlindJustice's request), I realized that I could train up quickly and effectively using the 1911 platform, as I've used it for 35 years.
So, in short, thank you BlindJustice for your words of wisdom. HOWEVER, I like tblt's idea of carrying both a wheelgun and bottomfeeder (how's that for avoiding the definition of pistol!), and a knife, and I would add a baseball bat, with ball and glove, in my car.
Thanks SO much for everyone's input. Now I just have to get a recommendation on a brand of magazines - I'm thinkin' Tripp might be the answer . . .
Anyway, I just got back from Cabela's, where I bought a Dan Wesson RZ-10 (full sized 1911 in 10mm). I decided on this choice based on BlindJustice's wisdom:
"No platform is 100% reliable I've had to take revolvers to a gunsmith
to unjam a cylinder or check the mainspring if a screw backed off, I pay
the pros to fix em as I'm not skilled in that area. I've never left the range
without having the ability to clear a semi-auto, load it and take it home."
Additionally, after posting my experience (based on BlindJustice's request), I realized that I could train up quickly and effectively using the 1911 platform, as I've used it for 35 years.
So, in short, thank you BlindJustice for your words of wisdom. HOWEVER, I like tblt's idea of carrying both a wheelgun and bottomfeeder (how's that for avoiding the definition of pistol!), and a knife, and I would add a baseball bat, with ball and glove, in my car.
Thanks SO much for everyone's input. Now I just have to get a recommendation on a brand of magazines - I'm thinkin' Tripp might be the answer . . .
BlindJustice
Member
oh, great blame me....
Joking aside, you have one of the best imho 1911 based design 10MM
variants on the market, today.
See if Chip McCormick makes the Power Mag for the DW 10MM
the CMC PM and Wilson mags are what the 1911 smiths/gurus recommend
here as well as the 1911 Forum - my handle there is Randall M. fwiw
You know the Manual of ARms with a 1911 so it'll be a matter of
adapting to the 10MM Auto recoil Federal has a line of good cheap
low recoil 10MM Auto ammo avail.
Enjoy
Pssst, I tend to torque off the 10MM Auto users as I have a spare
Bar-Sto barrel for my 1911 in .400 CorBon. and it uses the same
mags and jst a 2 lb heavier recoil spring for presto chango
Randall
Joking aside, you have one of the best imho 1911 based design 10MM
variants on the market, today.
See if Chip McCormick makes the Power Mag for the DW 10MM
the CMC PM and Wilson mags are what the 1911 smiths/gurus recommend
here as well as the 1911 Forum - my handle there is Randall M. fwiw
You know the Manual of ARms with a 1911 so it'll be a matter of
adapting to the 10MM Auto recoil Federal has a line of good cheap
low recoil 10MM Auto ammo avail.
Enjoy
Pssst, I tend to torque off the 10MM Auto users as I have a spare
Bar-Sto barrel for my 1911 in .400 CorBon. and it uses the same
mags and jst a 2 lb heavier recoil spring for presto chango
Randall
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