Please elaborate for CCW newbie the nuances of 'a good gun belt'

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Ok, so I've heard references to this is a good gun belt, or that is a good gun belt, or advice to someone buying a holster or applying for a CWP to 'get a good gun belt' and sometimes people will throw out a link or suggestion...

What I'm trying to understand is why is a belt a 'good gun belt' and what does it do exactly?

That may sound silly to you, but I'd really like someone to elaborate on this topic some more. For example, do those of you that own these 'good gun belts' feel they offer a more secure platform for the holster/weapon, or is it more of a comfort thing?

If it's a comfort thing, how exactly does it make carrying more comfortable, does anyone know the technical reasoning how it makes it better?

Does it help more with certain types of holsters? Like an OWB vs an IWB, does one type of carry REQUIRE a good gun belt compared to another, while one type of carry seems to be less impacted by the quality of the belt? If IWB, do certain types of clips being used make a difference when worn w/ a good gun belt?

I guess I'm asking because I recently got my CWP, and have been experimenting w/ carry options. Right now I have the basic Glock combat holster to tide me over until I got something better, it's a basic belt slide holster, which is ok w/ an undershirt protecting me and the gun from each other, doesn't poke into me much since it's on the outside, but less retention and less concealable, only used it in my initial IDPA practices, haven't carried with it extensively.

I also have a simple quick and easy (and inexpensive) IWB Split Decision Holster from HIGHNOON Holsters for brief transport and storage, primarily. Have carried w/ it, especially w/ an undershirt on, seems stable, no real issues, but doesn't have a skin guard on it.

So my main carry holster right now is an IWB Crossbreed Supertuck, which has the leather skin protector, and a kydex slide to house a Glock 19 or a 26 (9MM compact/subcompact). I've been practicing IDPA with it (not for time/score, but realistic carry drawing from concealment practice), and for the last week have been carrying everyday w/ it. So far so good, just using a plain soft but sturdy thick leather belt from Wilson Leather, it's a flexible soft belt, but it's fairly wide 1 3/4 inches I'm sure, and it's kind of thick too. The other belt I've used is a more narrow dress belt, but it's leather is a little harder, and it's one of those belts w/ a hidden zipper inside to stash a folded $20 bill or something, so it has some rigidity to it, but again, it's a narrow belt.

I haven't had any problem w/ the weapon moving too much, is fairly comfortable to sit, except in tight bucket seats of a loaner I drove for a minute, but in both my vehicles it's fine, I can lounge on the couch, sit in my office chair, walk around for extended periods of time, no issues. I've worn w/ and w/out an undershirt since it has the guard on it. All in all, it's gone pretty well, but after a long day of carrying, I notice that it does start to weigh on me, and I get those impressions on my skin, not so much from the gun or holster, but mainly from the weak side and front/back from the belt/pants/shorts, so it's more uncomfortable on the weaker sides than the strong side I'm carrying on at 4-5 o'clock.

I'm thinking in some cases, the pants/shorts may be a little on the tight side, which may contribute, but I'm wondering if these 'good gun belts' I keep hearing about will somehow help w/ this. I don't know if they hold/distribute the weight better somehow, or offer similar security while not having to be as tight, or what. I thought someone could elaborate more on whether it would bring more comfort in my situation, and why they think so...

The crossbreed uses J clips, and is tuckable, so the holster does not even really rest on the belt, it loops over the waistline of the pant/shorts, and goes behind the belt, and the J clips keep it in place somewhat, but mainly prevent it from coming out when drawing, so I was wondering if a 'good gun belt' is even relevant in this scenario. I guess I could swap out for different clips, if it would make a difference, to rest more on the belt?

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Karz
 
Karz,
A "good" gun belt holds the weapon firmly and consistently in the same position as you walk and move about. A "good" gun belt does this comfortably as well. A "good" gun belt does not stretch upwards when you draw. Because it does not stretch upwards, a "good" gun belt allows a firmer grasp on the gun by the holster, providing more security without compromising the draw. A "good" gun belt makes all day carry of a loaded, full sized, steel framed gun at least tolerable, if not comfortable.

A "good" gun belt will make pocket carry of a loaded J frame revolver unnoticeable because the pants will not sag on the heavy side. A "good" gun belt makes IWB carry of a 1911 incredibly discreet because it molds the gun to the kidney area, preventing the butt from protruding. A "good" gun belt improves the carriability of any carry mode, including "Mexican" carry. A "good" gun belt does not scream gun belt, making OWB but under a sportscoat carry obvious. A "good" gun belt appears to be just any old belt. A "good" gun belt can be styled as a dress belt, or a casual belt.

A "good" gun belt is not cheap, but it is worth the money. A "good" gun belt will not be found on the rack at Wal-Mart, or even in a high dollar haberdashery. A "good" gun belt is designed to carry a weapon. A "good" gun belt can be had from The Belt Man. There are other makers as well, but The Belt Man is the one I go to, again and again.
 
I have to second The Belt Man for good gun belts. Even if I can't carry all the time, I always wear my Belt Man belt. I know I must sound like a paid advertisment, but I will never buy belts anywhere else, even for normal everyday wear.
 
Can't add much more to what XavierBreath has said. He hit the nail on the head in all areas. I also buy from BeltMan. Great quality and comfortable enough that I wear it all the time.
 
Check out the Kydex belt from Looper Leather. It's a nice looking and very well made leather belt with kydex reinforcement sewn in for $30. They'll even line it with velcro for a few more bucks.
 
A test for gun belt stiffness:

Grasp the edges of the belt between your thumb and second finger, and try to bend the belt by pressing in the middle of it with your index finger. Does it bend at all? Then it isn't stiff enough. The rigidity is needed so the gun does not bend the belt and sag away from your body.

I'm also very pleased with my Beltman belt. There are plenty of other good gun belt makers, but none with the combination of quality, performance, price, customer service and informative site. I also wear mine all the time. (I have to, because I buy all my pants one size larger in the waist to accommodate IWB - inside the waistband - carry.:cool:)
 
Its hard to add to what XavierBreath already mentioned.

Those who only carry a few hours a day can "get by" with compromises. Those who carry whenever we have pants on come to learn, one way or another, that a belt designed to carry our equipment is a necessity.

An IWB holster, as often worn by folks who don't invest in a "gun belt", is made secure by cinching the belt as tightly as possible. This isn't exactly comfortable. A good belt will hold a holstered gun, a reload, flashlight, and any other personal equipment securely and comfortably. The belt is sturdy enough to distribute the weight around its entire length.

After a few years of carrying all day long, most come to find a good belt is essential.


One last point - Just because its leather doesn't mean its of the quality we need. Leather has many different grades. The mass production industry doesn't use the same grade of leather that those who make holsters use. It makes a difference.
 
Thanks for all the responses, I really appreciate it...

BullFrogKen said: An IWB holster, as often worn by folks who don't invest in a "gun belt", is made secure by cinching the belt as tightly as possible. This isn't exactly comfortable. A good belt will hold a holstered gun, a reload, flashlight, and any other personal equipment securely and comfortably. The belt is sturdy enough to distribute the weight around its entire length.

Do you think I would still reap a significant improvement w/ the Beltman Belt if I continue w/ the IWB holster? I'm just curious.

I tried that IWB method thinking that A) would be concealable when having a shorter cover garment, not requiring to completely cover down the barrel/slide, since it was tucked in, and B) had the *option* of tucking in a shirt around it, if I found myself in a situation that required it, that it would be a good versatile option. And the crossbreed fits both my 19, and if I get a 26, it will fit that too.

Once I decide/follow through on confirming my primary carry gun, maybe the G26, I'm not opposed to getting a high-end belt holster for when cover garment permits, I'm just new to this whole thing, and still finding my way.

Thanks again for the responses, any other tips are welcome.

Karz
 
karz10 said: Do you think I would still reap a significant improvement w/ the Beltman Belt if I continue w/ the IWB holster? I'm just curious.

That's hard to tell, its an individual decision.

Most folks will carry a reload. Many will carry a flashlight. That, plus a gun, and phone . . . and whatever else you choose to have on you . . . its all weight. And it needs support if you're going to carry it around and be comfortable.

And, this is off topic and just a sidenote, but I have met very few people who will carry a Glock around IWB for 8+ hours a day, every day. Most guys I know that carry Glocks do it with a more traditional OWB holster.
 
I think the advantage of a good gun belt is that it supports the weight of the gun so effectively you forget about it, and thus are less likely to have to adjust it constantly (and visibly/obviously) in a way that calls attention to yourself as carrying. Think concealment system instead of components. Concealment is an art, not a holster.
Having said that, Good belts are worth the money.
Cheers, TF
 
Good gun belt

Seems to need to be thicker both ways. Have you noticed the Holstermakers generally make belt loop cut outs at 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 "? Obviously they think that a wider belt will be necesary to support the weight; but it really means you don't want to use them with a thinner belt so that when you draw (for sake of illustration, from an OWB at 4 o clock) the holster doesn't have play in the loop/belt combination to rotate and hang up your draw. Custom makers usually ask what you prefer.

I like belts of double thickness for gunbelts. Stiffeners make sense but I haven't tried one.

I like belts that are 1 and a 1/2 to 1and 3/4 in the weight bearing area and taper to 1" at the buckle. Under an open coat, it appears to be a normal dress belt. Mine are currently made by a local saddlemaker. (No shortage of those in KY).

I got used to wearing them all the time too.

Cheers, TF
 
It hasn't been mentioned yet that regular leather belts have considerable stretch to them. Hold the belt in two hands in front of your chest, and pull your arms apart: you can probably stretch the belt by over 1/4 inch.

I started carrying regularly before buying my first gun belt, and initially I thought it was OK. As Ken said, I made it "secure" by tightening it, and as Xavier said, it would ride up on a draw and down on holstering, but I thought it was "OK." After not too many days, I noticed my pants had a tendency to sag down; the weight of the gun would stretch the belt, and the pants would creep down my hips. I was already on the last notch, so there wasn't much I could do about it.

Then I got a leather gun belt at a gun show, and the relief was tremendous. Simply put, it holds your pants up. It doesn't care about the weight hanging off it. And it doesn't stretch at all. The difference is really amazing.

I also ordered a Wilderness instructor belt, and it's excellent too. It's thinner than the leather belt, which must double-layered to prevent stretching, and it works great. Mostly I wear that instead of the leather belt.

One other thing hasn't been mentioned: some leather belts (like mine) include a "stiffener." The stiffener prevents the belt from twisting, which is helpful if you have a heavy gun--but it decreases the comfort of the belt, so you shouldn't automatically get one because it's "stronger."

The big difference between the nylon belt (no stiffener) and the leather belt (with stiffener) is that, when I pull my pants down in the bathroom, the leather belt holds the gun rigidly upright. The nylon belt can twist, so the weight of the butt can cause the gun to flip upside down and, since I don't have any retention, to slide out onto the floor.

It is a bit embarrassing, after laughing at cops who lose their guns in bathroom stalls, to hear that awful clatter as your own gun hits the deck.

--Len.
 
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