Range Manners re: Brass Showers

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My favorite are the guys who insist on taking the far right position on the line, then complain about the brass after I suggested we switch places.

It is for days like this that the HK-51 clone is a godsend in terms of blast, concussion, and brass-chucking.
 
if the guy is hitting his target, i don't mind brass at all. if it's some kid with daddy's AR who just wants to re-create his last Call Of Duty session from his computer and can't hit a thing to save his life, i usually move lanes.
 
Great! It looks like this is one more thing to worry about at the range...

In all honesty, I do pay attention to my brass ejection to an extent. I'm not overly paranoid about it, but I don't want to rain people with a constant shower either. Luckily, I generally have a shooting bay to myself; but, when I don't, I just try to setup to the right of other shooters or give enough space that my brass doesn't cause an issue. I've never tried to setup a net or anything like that.

On a related note, I was shooting last week and a guy came and setup about 3' to my right (even though there were about 15' of empty space on the line). In that case there were also 4 completely empty bays, but he just wanted to be there for some reason (even after I mentioned the empty bays). I guess he's one of those people who enjoys the experience of hot brass raining down. :confused:
 
It is rude. You are responsible for where your brass goes, period. Personally, I don't care about the shower on me but I do not want YOUR brass bouncing off MY expensive guns. I don't do it to anybody else and I expect the same in return. I use a pistol case to deflect cases from my .22's and a brasscatcher on my AR. Everything else is ejected slowly and gets caught in hand.
 
Most of my guns eject forward but for the ones that spit sideways I always try to work with the guy next to me. One of us will move a bit so he isn't getting a brass shower.
 
When at an indoor range, it's a non-starter due to the partitions. When it does happen on occasion, nobody complains. However, when I'm at an outdoor range, I try to set up at the far right, which is usually not a problem. Once I walked into my favorite outdoor place and somebody walking in right in front of me grabbed the far right lane. I advised them to switch with me, as they were shooting bolt guns and revolvers and I was shooting all autos. One guy said, "Whoa!" and with a knowing wink, grabbed his stuff off the far lane, post-haste.:D

It's not so much the .45 ACP that I worry about as it's low pressure fired brass is practically cooled off by the time it hits you. 10mm on the other hand is brutal to anybody it comes in contact with. I really don't recommend open collars.;)
 
Does anybody else have the same problem with Italian revolver clones spitting lead shavings and unburnt power out of the cylinder gap? I confess I don't see a lot of these because we don't have any cowboy action groups on my Island. But, the ones I've been around all seem to spit lead and unburnt powder laterally. I never see the same issue with American made revolvers. Do these Italians just have bad timing or narrow forcing cones?

It's kind of scary...
 
My primary range is in my backyard, but if out of town with family usually we go to a range. Indoor with a partition there are no showers to speak of, if it is outdoors and unavoidable be kind with your neighbors and try to work it out. Not a big deal really, just part of shooting and no reason to fuss.
 
Italian revolver clones spitting lead shavings and unburnt power out of the cylinder gap?
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I'm no revolver expert, but that sounds like a timing issue, not an Italian thing.
Or perhaps Ronnie Reloader needs to use in-spec components.
 
I either stay away a good distance or shoot at a range with dividers. Once at the range with dividers someone said my gun was "too far" out and was throwing brass. I agree with spray comments but I think people don't get the firing line concept. If you stay behind it most problems are solved. An occasional case is a non-issue for me. If I'm training for self defense a case should be a non-issue. If you can't handle that REAL incoming rounds are really going to be a problem.
 
If you can't handle that REAL incoming rounds are really going to be a problem.
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Good point. Perhaps you should take advantage of the annoying noises and hot brass to develop some focus skills, it might help you "not panic" the day it matters.
 
#63 and #64 cover an important point. Hot brass is just one of a bunch of things that people concerned with self defense with a weapon ought to learn to ignore. A lot of people flinch because of the noise/gunshot; they have THAT to overcome. Brass from another weapon is not the ONLY hot brass you MIGHT encounter....you could get hot brass from your own weapon if standing next to a wall, etc. Learn to deal with it. To be fair, not all shooters at the range will be there to practice SD or even be interested in SD. The non "tactical" people ought to be tolerant of the fact that shooting is a MARTIAL art, and the endeavor of flinging hot lead, and hot brass, is always present, and that we do not live in a clinical world that we can control all side effects of such a martial art. I vote that we all EXPECT to be recipients of flying brass when near a semi-auto shooter at a range, and plot ourselves accordingly. Abstinence from shooting until we find a good brass-less spot, trading places, shooting on another day or a slower time (when one can have it one's way), etc. Even though I am extremely tolerant of others on this subject, I still like an empty range so that I can relax or push myself, depending on what type of shooting I want to do, without the interference of others. It doesn't always happen, but that is life.
 
I don't know about you but having a hot 5.56 round fall down my shirt is hard to ignore, damn that stuff is hot!:what:

What separates a good shooter from an amateur is when you get a hot round on your skin how you react. Anyone with experience slowly puts the gun down keeping the muzzle down range. Than removes the round as it cooks there skin. I have seen new shooters forget they have a gun and just swing their arms around covering people with their muzzles, finger on the trigger.:what:

This is why I don't like shooting with new shooters unless I'm watching them. I was on the business end of a 92FS once when a first time shooter got nailed with an ejected case in their lip, I don't plan on being in that position again.
 
My solution is to spread out and take a line with 2-3 open lanes to the right. My AR pitches the brass forward into the lane, which at least saves them there, and if I am really good, I can position my range bag to catch most of the 9mm brass, actually work preetty good, if you stay in the same spot. my .45s usually go over my shoulder/head and into the dirt behind me. Other than that, you are at a shooting range, deal with it.

I was at a class this weekend, and got hit in the left cheek twice (yes, I was wearing my eye pro.!)by some freshly hot .45s. It definitly screws up your sight picture! I scooted over, as I am sure the guy had no idea what he was doing(brass-wise), and I was fine. Then I policed up his brass for him, and took it home!
 
GEEZ if it bothers you that much buy two of these. Put one on your left and one on your right. I'm sure you don't want to be rude either. LOL And just tell the person to your left it it makes it to your can its yours! If that bothers him SELL the one on your left to him for a profit and buy another....yea that'll learn him...:neener:
 
I find it interesting how so many shooters basically respond with "TS", requiring their fellow shooters to live with THEIR choice in firearm, THEIR flying brass and THEIR lack of consideration for others. Not everybody is at the range to prepare for war and it makes it extremely difficult for some folks to enjoy their range time with hot brass or steel cases bouncing off them and their expensive guns. Sad part is that most of those folks would rather cut their time short and leave than speak up.
 
As I said before, CraigC, can you relate to having participated in high power shooting, or a military rifle range? The attitude that you interpret as "TS" is one of hard corps rifle shooting basics by professionals....is there any reason to expect less from a civilian range, or should we expect civilian shooters to not be so thin skinned? Back to the beginning, there are two schools of thought, those that acknowledge the occurance of flying, hot brass as par for the course, and those that don't like it and wish it would go away. In a perfect world, we'd all sit down and discuss how to arbitrate this at each conflict, but in the real world, we'll all just go on with our opinions, occasionally making allowances for each other. I still believe that those who have participated in the military or HP shooting kind of "get it", and those that have zero tolerance, don't. But that is just my OPINION. Doesn't mean crap to those who disagree............
 
Well I know a gentleman that had a round fired next to gim at the range.
Yhe spent case hit a primer of a pack of ammo by buddy opened and it went off. Trip to the hospital and a surgery later he will be all right we think.

Very odd freak thing. I would not believe it if I did not know him and see the pics and the blood at the range. It was a .40 cal round primer it hit.
 
I dumped an empty mag from my .45 and it struck the primer of a .45 round in the box on the ground in front of me, setting it off. The bullet lodged in the bottom of the plastic 50rd box (MTM). Don't know where the case launched to. I was all alone, and my hot brass was nowhere around.........so, I guess that can happen many different ways. Best to keep a lid on it (literally).
 
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