RAS47 Running Review

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gazpacho

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CAI RAS47

Century Arms International
Russian Army Standard 47

I am writing this review to give others, considering the purchase of an RAS47, as unbiased a review as I can give, so that they can make a better informed decision. Much of the information available on the internet is biased (in one way or another), filled with invective or heaped with holy praise. The volume of usable information is surprisingly scant, given the 40,000+ rifles sold, as well as the large number of CAI C39s (both V1 and V2) which as similar in build. So the purpose of this thread is to tell people about my RAS47 (SN 41xxx). I am asking that comments and questions be limited to my rifle alone. There are plenty of other threads praising and/or lambasting CAI, other RAS47s and the RAS47 in general. For those unfamiliar with any of this, I encourage those readers to seek out those threads. If you have questions regarding my rifle experience in comparison to experiences with your rifle, or other RAS47s, I will consider them, but please keep you post civil, factual, and to the point.

This is my first AK-47. However, I do have 2 Saiga-12s, 2 Saiga-20s and a Vepr .308, so I do have some prior experience with Kalashnikov pattern weapons as well as doing the 922r compliance dance. I have refrained from buying an AK-47 until now, as I am an AR person, and didn't want to mess with 922r again. This new wave of US-Made AKs got me thinking about them, and I decided to take the plunge and experiement. I am still an AR person, as that platform better fits my vision of a self-defense rifle.

I don't abuse my firearms. I don't necessarily baby them either. If one were to examine my firearms usage, I would not be surprised to be described as average.

I invite the moderators to delete any post that does not follow these guidelines.

UNBOXING, FIRST CLEANING AND ACCESSORIZING

My initial impression with this rifle is excellent. Overall fit and finish is all you would want from any but the most expensive firearms. My RAS47 came with rather handsome oak furniture. The trigger feels like it breaks at 5 to 5.5 pounds. Take-up is clean, then there is a little bit of business before a good break. Reset is positive. The overall features of the RAS47 can be found elsewhere.

At this point, I have 3 complaints.

First, is the gap at the front of the dustcover where it meets the rear sight block. There is sufficient material extending under the lip of the rear sight block, but if my dustcover were 0.5mm longer, I would be much happier. Otherwise, the dustcover fits in solidly.

Second, for a cast front sight block, the ears protecting the front sight post seem too thin to adequate for the job. They look like a good knock will snap them off.

Third, the bolt notch in the safety lever is too small to easily engage. Angling the rear edge of this notch back at a 45 degree angle should be plenty.

I detail stripped the rifle for my initial inspection and cleaning. The first thing I noticed was a reddish brown mud, here and there in cracks and crevasses. It is not rust, as it washes clean with a little MPro7 and a detailing brush. On further inspection, I noticed a small gouge in the phosphate finish just forward of the diagonal bolt slot in the bolt carrier. The bolt carrier appears to be making some contact with the front trunion above the barrel.

Following the inspection, I swapping in the following parts.

Magpul MOE Handguard FDE
Magpul MOE Buttstock FDE
Magpul MOE Pistol Grip FDE
Magpul M-Lok Sling point (on the left rear of the handguard)
Magpul MS1 2 point sling
Krebs Rear Peep Sight
Krebs retaining plate
Primary Weapon Systems JTAC-47

When I bought my RAS47, no one had it available with FDE Magpul furniture. FDE is important to me, as I live in a desert that gets REALLY hot. Wood Furniture is fine, but I wanted polymer. However, if you leave black polymer out lying in the sun, it gets almost to hot to hold with bare hands in about 15 minutes. Hence the FDE.

The rear sight slider (CAI OEM part) was difficult to slide on both the CAI rear sight as well as on the Krebs
 
FIRST SHOOT

240 rounds of Wolf Polyformance 123gr HP steel case

240 rounds in, 240 rounds out. 0 FTF, 0FTE

Recoil was light. Even after the rear sight swap, the sights were spot on. I was able to snipe at a green tank about 400 meters out, hitting more often than not. I can't tell you how large the tank was, as I have never hiked out that far to check. I will say that the tank was not as wide as the front sight post, from the shooter's perspective. This is shockingly accurate for me, considering that I was using open iron sights from a kneeling position.

Total round cound: 240

SECOND CLEANING AND INSPECTION

During the shoot, more reddish brown mud seeped out. I detail stripped the rifle and used Action Blaster to clean everything out.

The gouge on the bolt carrier looked the same, as in it had not progressed. Further inspection showed very slight peening on the face of the hammer and the duck tail on the bolt carrier. If there was any less peening, I doubt I would have noticed it. This is one of the points that other RAS47s (and many, many other AKs, if you just Google AK peening) have shown problems, so I am hyper-aware of the issue. Other areas of the bolt and bolt carrier showed typical wear patterns on the finish. The front trunion showed no wear, deformation or any other marks save copper on the bullet guide.

At this point, I am wondering if the lightening cuts on the bolt carrier were such a good idea. Lightening the bolt carrier would necessitate a faster, more vigorous recoil action, which would have to be balanced by a heavier recoil spring. Otherwise, you would get harder contact between the bolt carrier and the hammer during recoil, and this might be just enough to cause the peening that I have observed. I don't think that a stiffer recoil spring has been used, as Wolff (the spring manufacturer) does not list differing spring weights for AKs on their website (last time I checked).

SECOND SHOOT

260 rounds of Wolf Polyformance 123gr HP steel case

260 rounds in, 260 rounds out. 0 FTF, 0FTE

My RAS47 continues to perform flawlessly. The usable accuracy of this rifle continues to astound me. I actually prefer shooting with iron sights, and as I have train myself using a rear peep, I made the switch to the Krebs sight to match my experience. The notch is the CAI rear sight was ridiculously small. While it was probably accurate, such a small sight notch is inherently slow for me.

During the end of the shoot, the top screws of the Magpul Buttstock came loose. I hand tightened them with my Leatherman, and finished shooting.

Total Round Count: 500

THIRD CLEANING AND INSPECTION

No change in the initial gouge on the bolt carrier. No corresponding marks on the front truntion. I dressed the gouge with some 400, 600 and 800 grit sandpaper, until I could pass a Q-Tip swab over it without snagging any cotton. At this point, I don't expect any further deformation, but if it does occur, I will be able to see any new changes. There doesn't appear to be any further peening of the hammer and bolt carrier duck-tail, but it was so slight to begin with, it is hard to tell. I dressed up the duck-tail also, as there was a slight bit of metal on the sides that could snag cotton. If further peening happens here, I should be able to detect it. There were no other marks of interest on the gun.

I removed the Magpul Buttstock, cleaned the nuts and screws with alcohol, and reinstalled the buttstock, Loctiting the screws.
 
THIRD SHOOT

240 rounds of Wolf Polyformance 123gr HP steel case

240 rounds in, 240 rounds out. 0 FTF, 0 FTE

Finally got back out to shoot. Function and Accuracy continue to be outstanding. The more I shoot this rifle, the more I think the skeletonized bolt carrier is a mistake. I think a little more weight slowing down the bolt would improve longevity, and would soften up the recoil a little bit.

Deformation of the hammer appears to have stopped. Deformation of the duck-tail worsened a tiny bit I think. There was an ever-so-slight ridge, where I think I had it smoothed out. Maybe. The finish on the front trunion lugs is starting to rub off a tiny bit. No deformation. The triangle lug on the bolt is starting to show a little wear. More than I would expect for 740 rounds.

What wear has shown, appears to be limited to the Bolt, Bolt carrier and the Hammer.

Total Round Count: 740
 
Can you tell if the bolt and bolt carrier are cast, forged or machined from billet? Also trunnions and front sight!
 
Cleaning an AK after every 240 rounds, what a time waster :)


What wear has shown, appears to be limited to the Bolt, Bolt carrier and the Hammer.
I've Norinco, Polytech, Saiga, Romanian, & Arsenal AKs and they all show wear there after any significant amount of shooting. It seems self-limiting.
 
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