JMACDONALD
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Five pages in and no van, WTH mate?
Five pages in and no van, WTH mate?
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Real mall ninja in my area.
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HK G3
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lloydkristmas said:
But, if your boss doesn't give you any quarters, that means...
Also, I really don't understand why the term "mall ninja" is used to describe these wannabe military/LEO-types.
There's nothing ninja-like about these clowns. They're not deadly assassins who wield bladed weapons with any real skills to speak of...
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Regolith
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It goes back when a person using the screen-name "Gecko45" started a thread on a gun board several years ago. He claimed he was a "mall security officer" who was "trained in the ancient art of ninjitsu" and that because of that he had special boots in order to clime walls. Hence the term Mall Ninja.
He also claimed various things such as being lauded by the mayor for "saving his nephew's virginity" by stopping a gang-rape attempt in the bathroom, having a "tactical golf cart" which contained special weaponry at his disposal, leading a special reaction strike team, working with various government agencies to defeat various threads, and needing to duct tape "ballistic trauma plates" to his back in case he took fire from a "high powered sniper rifle."
The entire thread was of course satire, written specifically to parody the types we are discussing in this thread, but it's widely regarded as the origin of the term "mall ninja" for use in this context. I'll see if I can dig up some links - the thread's been archived at several websites.
divemedic
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Regolith
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Dive....yup, that's it. Thernlund also linked to them on post 92:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4704184&postcount=92
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4704184&postcount=92
Treo
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I think that was right before he got outted on a double super secret undercover mission for one of those goverment alphabet agencies.
possom813
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Goodness Gracious! Just fired up the Lap Top!
Hundreds of posts! This must be the most popular thread on THR! the difference seems to be if you can prove the statements you make or write, yes? How can you do that to the satisfaction of anyone?
Tossing people into fountains etc, not me personally, I am a retired Firearms Instructor, born in 1935, (hence Old Guy, I am) my Family spent a few years dodging bombs in the large Brit seaport of Liverpool UK (our war started in 1939) Ex Military yes, no not an ex Seal, or even one of what we had frogmen. To supplement a daytime salaried position with a young family I worked part time on the nights all my mates went out drinking, and other pastimes that cost money that I did not have.
Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights from early evening till midnight, or 1AM depending on the Club, 4 years at The Cavern Club of Beatle fame 1960 till 64, and one year at the Blue Angel on Seal Street, a Night Club, (closest I got to a Seal) we Doormen (Bouncers) of that era wore black suits, clip on ties, and nice black shoes with steel toe caps (Bouncer boots!) funny enough our major problem was keeping people out we did not want in, not throwing people out.
No alcohol at the Cave, the single chap with the indentation on his wedding ring finger! on the outside, a few pints on the inside! if this type met the 16 year old, dressed and made up to look 20! her 16 year old boy friend would have taken great exception, promptly throwing a Liverpool Kiss or two, a mess the in house Bouncers would have sooner not had to deal with, so he was not getting in, the stock answer when asked why? because you are ugly! The three of us on the street entrance dealt with those problems.
This was years b/4 the SECURITY black shirts, radios, and masses of staff. No guns then, but I did get stabbed twice.
And now retired, nearly, in the US of A, who would have thought it, all the hand guns gone in the UK, any law abiding resident of Florida can have one, and a lot do, it's the criminal element who can not? but do, we have to look out for.
Hundreds of posts! This must be the most popular thread on THR! the difference seems to be if you can prove the statements you make or write, yes? How can you do that to the satisfaction of anyone?
Tossing people into fountains etc, not me personally, I am a retired Firearms Instructor, born in 1935, (hence Old Guy, I am) my Family spent a few years dodging bombs in the large Brit seaport of Liverpool UK (our war started in 1939) Ex Military yes, no not an ex Seal, or even one of what we had frogmen. To supplement a daytime salaried position with a young family I worked part time on the nights all my mates went out drinking, and other pastimes that cost money that I did not have.
Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights from early evening till midnight, or 1AM depending on the Club, 4 years at The Cavern Club of Beatle fame 1960 till 64, and one year at the Blue Angel on Seal Street, a Night Club, (closest I got to a Seal) we Doormen (Bouncers) of that era wore black suits, clip on ties, and nice black shoes with steel toe caps (Bouncer boots!) funny enough our major problem was keeping people out we did not want in, not throwing people out.
No alcohol at the Cave, the single chap with the indentation on his wedding ring finger! on the outside, a few pints on the inside! if this type met the 16 year old, dressed and made up to look 20! her 16 year old boy friend would have taken great exception, promptly throwing a Liverpool Kiss or two, a mess the in house Bouncers would have sooner not had to deal with, so he was not getting in, the stock answer when asked why? because you are ugly! The three of us on the street entrance dealt with those problems.
This was years b/4 the SECURITY black shirts, radios, and masses of staff. No guns then, but I did get stabbed twice.
And now retired, nearly, in the US of A, who would have thought it, all the hand guns gone in the UK, any law abiding resident of Florida can have one, and a lot do, it's the criminal element who can not? but do, we have to look out for.
xjchief
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Where are the van pics!!!!!!!!!!
KiltedClaymore
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finaly someone got that reference.
BUT WHERE IS THE BLEEDIN' VAN????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
cxg231
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Old Guy said:
Did you get evacuated to the countryside like many of the other children? If not, the Liverpool blitz must have been one heck of a thing for a young child to go thru.
And to keep this on-topic, where are the van pictures?
The Tourist
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Old Guy said:
Thank you for your service, you probably do have more knowledge than your average mall ninja.
My concern, again, is that you are not a sworn officer. There used to be a line between the training and objectives taught for soldiers and police. Police are peace keepers. Mall ninjas are nothing.
You have no Writ under law to do anything but watch me and call the real cops. Period.
As you were pulling yourself out of the fountain, you would say to the real cops, "I used to be a British Soldier."
To which one of the real cops would say to you, "Well, mate, you're under arrest for assault and impersonating an officer."
And let me sum this up for the last time. Your wives and daughters go to these malls. If that area is rightly dangerous, then off duty real cops should patrol the mall. (Off duty required in some jursidictions because it is private property.) But if there is real danger, no cameras, no real cops and only mall ninjas, you are responsible for making some weighty choices.
To that end, I am an American citizen with a well documented list of enumerated rights. None of these rights will be surrendered to a mall ninja who thinks he's Barney Fife incarnate.
You touch me for any imagined reason and I will respond with the bottled anger of a wronged man who confronts an aggressive townie.
So if you decide to don the uniform of "The Few, The Confused, The Clueless," you'd better research your limitations and trouble you can get into pretending to be a police officer. And if you see a biker having a sandwich with his wife, just move along, Barney.
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Possum
Looks like a reject of Mr. T's from the "A" team.
Looks like a reject of Mr. T's from the "A" team.
possom813
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^^^^
They wanted a van, and it was the first search result for "tactical van"
I aim to please
They wanted a van, and it was the first search result for "tactical van"
I aim to please
ceetee said:
XDKingslayer said:
"This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother's side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them. Humouring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply."
-- Robert Heinlein
Usually, if I'm in an uncomfortable situation like that, I tend to just smile, and nod. It costs me nothing, possibly earns me a friendship (or at the very least keeps me from acting like a jerk).
That said, most mall ninjas don't threaten me in any way. Vapid boasting doesn't hurt me, it doesn't take anything away from my manliness, and deliberately proving someone out to be something he's not only causes harm. It's not like showing a group of total strangers that this particular security guard isn't the Navy SEEL he claims to be is going to save America from the Commies. Let 'em keep their delusions.
If you have to interact with them on a daily basis, it's useful information to know - you know who you can count on, and just how far. Other than that, why go out of your way to be mean? What respect does that earn you? There are probably even ways to gently suggest that such a person get fit, take some training... maybe improve on their skills, instead of just bragging on skills they don't have. Who knows - if you could convince someone to improve their own abilities, you may one day be responsible for saving a life.
DRZinn
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Well, in most states (all?) that's not true. They can arrest in certain cases. Those would be the same cases in which any citizen can arrest.
Treo
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The company I work for, works for the city. certain of our officers ( not including me) absolutely do have arrest (or at least detain, handcuff & turn over to the police) authority.
If I wanted to deal W/ all that crap I'd go be a cop ( as if). I'm quite happy cruising around in my little Jeep vibe harassing porcupines.
If I wanted to deal W/ all that crap I'd go be a cop ( as if). I'm quite happy cruising around in my little Jeep vibe harassing porcupines.
The Tourist
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treo said:
Publish the local ordinance, some form of your ID, a copy of your company's written rules and regulations for its employees.
Otherwise, cut the nonsense.
In Texas a SO {and any other citizen}can arrest for Breach of the Peace42.01 Texas Penal Code, Prevent Consequences of Theft 18.16 Texas Penal code, and any felony. All of which is contingent on being in the presence or view of the Security Officer.
Furthermore, if you resist a lawful arrest by a SO, and cause injury, you can be charged with a third degree felony{2-10 years } Same charge as assaulting a Peace Officer.
So come on down to Texas for ROT, be a jackass at one of the hotels, and you could find yourself staying for awhile, especially if you toss a uniformed officer in a fountain.
Furthermore, if you resist a lawful arrest by a SO, and cause injury, you can be charged with a third degree felony{2-10 years } Same charge as assaulting a Peace Officer.
So come on down to Texas for ROT, be a jackass at one of the hotels, and you could find yourself staying for awhile, especially if you toss a uniformed officer in a fountain.
Treo
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No
Like I said it's not part of my job, it never will be part of my job. And I couldn't care less. If it's that important to you, you Google it.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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Tourist, you may have to accept that you are not personally privy to every state, city, county, and municipal code in the nation regarding who can and cannot "arrest" or detain. As treo said, you're the one getting upset over others speaking of authority and privileges you have not previously heard of. If it's so important to you, the entirety of the WWW is at your disposal.
Dunno if there's anything equivalent to this in the US, but in Canada, security guards do have some powers. ie:
A guard can ask a person to leave property and they can ban someone from property if rules are broken. When doing so, guards should be professional and indicate which rule is being broken.
If someone refuses to leave property when asked, he/she may be viewed as a trespasser. Guards can use reasonable force to remove trespassers and they can make a citizen's arrest if a trespasser actively resists lawful efforts to remove them.
Trespassing: an offence under the provincial Trespass Act typically means 1) entering someone else's property, 2) engaging in prohibited activities on that property, or 3) not leaving after being told to do so.
Guards have no authority to arrest under the provincial Trespass Act.
Assault by Trespass: a criminal offence under the Criminal Code of Canada typically means a trespasser who resists lawful efforts of removal.
Guards can conduct a citizen's arrest against a trespasser who actively resists efforts to have him/her removed from private property.
A guard can ask a person to leave property and they can ban someone from property if rules are broken. When doing so, guards should be professional and indicate which rule is being broken.
If someone refuses to leave property when asked, he/she may be viewed as a trespasser. Guards can use reasonable force to remove trespassers and they can make a citizen's arrest if a trespasser actively resists lawful efforts to remove them.
Trespassing: an offence under the provincial Trespass Act typically means 1) entering someone else's property, 2) engaging in prohibited activities on that property, or 3) not leaving after being told to do so.
Guards have no authority to arrest under the provincial Trespass Act.
Assault by Trespass: a criminal offence under the Criminal Code of Canada typically means a trespasser who resists lawful efforts of removal.
Guards can conduct a citizen's arrest against a trespasser who actively resists efforts to have him/her removed from private property.
Thernlund
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taurusowner said:
I am. I'm so tactical that they consult me on it. All of them.
Wait... what thread is this?
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