Results of New York Gun Control Day 2008

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I don't like the proposals any better than anybody else but in the interest of accuracy can the .50 cal bill really be said to pertain to shotguns?

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A. 2772--A 50-CALIBER WEAPON MEANS A RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE IN 50-CALIBER OR LARGER, .50 BMG CALIBER OR LARGER, ANY OTHER VARIANT OF 50-CALIBER OR LARGER, OR ANY OTHER METRIC EQUIVALENT OF SUCH CALIBER, PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT NOTHING IN THIS SUBDIVISION SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO INCLUDE ANY MUZZLE LOADING RIFLE WHICH IS DESIGNED TO USE BLACK POWDER, OR A BLACK POWDER SUBSTITUTE, AND WHICH CANNOT USE FIXED AMMUNITION.
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Too bad. If my memories of upstate shotgun hunters is accurate, some will cheerfully throw the Barretts under the bus.
 
BENSDAD - "How do they sleep at night, knowing they have done nothing to fight crime or promote liberty?"
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They sleep quite well because their eventual goal is NOT to "fight crime or promote liberty."

Their eventual goal is to "save America" with their long sought goal of establishing their Great Brave New Marxist Socialist Fascist Police State Utopia.

That's what its all about.

L.W.
 
This is disturbing but not at all unexpected. I am glad to have given NY the good bye gesture years ago.
 
And while they were busily moving these new bills toward law....how many folks were assaulted/died because of a failure to enforce existing laws and hold criminals accountable?
 
I'm getting out of this fascist state as soon as I'm out of college. Luckily, that's just weeks before the January implementation date of those bills. I still feel sorry for my family and all the others stuck here. It's bad enough -before- those bills.

In the meantime, anybody that lives in NY state, please do your part and contact your state senator. To find contact details, go to http://www.senate.state.ny.us/sdlookup.nsf/Public_search?OpenForm
 
I have lived here all my life but i have no plans to stay here after i retire. my kids are still young but because the nanny state mentaility they have driven most of the good paying jobs out of this dump of a state so i will have to tell them that they will be better of some where else be sides this state.

In my county the budget is 325 million a year 70% of that is social services.200 plus county vehicles go home with people at night.

this state is rapidly going down hill instead of trying to solve the real problems of the state the crooks in albany just keep passing feel good legislation with catchy names going only after the law abiding tax payers and butt kissing the criminals.

my father is still alive thats why i stay here i see him everyday i feel that is my responsibility.he was there for me when i was a kid i could not leave him now that he is old and gray.

I am a nysrpa member and nra member i write and call the crooks in albany but it just gets old I HATE NY
 
One of the main justifications for the people keeping and bearing arms was, and is, to keep in check local tyrants who despise individual freedom and are drunk with the power they can exert when they take ownership of people’s lives.

Well, so much for that idea…

Be sure to be nice and respectful when you contact your arrogant, usurping elected tyrants and despots.
 
Well holy snot. I guess Mikey Bloomberg is grinning like the hyena he is. I live in California and I bet they will try this year to surpass NY.

Prayers tonight the Supremes go the right way and side with the Founders...and DC Circuit.

This is appalling. Good luck, you all in NY. I hope the Senate has not lost all sense of reason.

Just another reason the state will crater in a bonfire of the vanity of its political class.

What the heck is going on that we have two neo-Marxists running for President.

Charlton Heston, in Planet of the Apes..."it's a madhouse! A madhouse I tell you!..."
 
Hawk said:
I don't like the proposals any better than anybody else but in the interest of accuracy can the .50 cal bill really be said to pertain to shotguns?
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Yes, the ban will prohibit shotguns larger than .410.
 
About the muzzle "brake"/"break" thing, would it still be legal to use a muzzle "brake", if it is just prohibited under the law as a "break"?
 
can the .50 cal bill really be said to pertain to shotguns?
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It says "rifle", and "rifle" has a very specific meaning under NY law:
Among other factors, a "rifle" has a rifled bore and fires metallic cartridges. A "shotgun" has a smooth bore and fires non-metallic cartridges.
So no, it will not affect shotguns in NY.
 
Manufacturers will incur minimal costs to adopt the new technology. The
anticipated cost is to be between fifty cents and one dollar per
firearm.
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I love this part about the microstamping. How the heck do they know how much it'll cost the manufacturers when the technology has not been industialized yet (it's still in labs), and they can't even explain what a barrel shroud or muzzle brake are, or how they make the gun more deadly? And should the semi-auto ban pass alongside this, what makes them think there will be anyone building or selling arms in the state anyway?

I also like the toy-gun wording. If your gun is anything other than scary, evil black, cold-blue steel, or a nickle-plated sissy pistol, you're going to jail.

At least the founders did something right in providing the senates to be a second chance against this stuff. Best of luck to all of you in NY.

God, grant me the strength to be vigillant and brave in the face of my own state's legislatures.
 
They try the .50 cal thing often, thankfully they don't put in an exemption for the Muzzle loaders and it "usually" fails in Senate.

This is the motivation I need to get off my Arse and get my pistol license though. Need to get my Uberti 6 shooters before they're not allowed any longer
 
Part of the text of A06525:

"Section 904 requires that retail dealers exclude persons under eighteen from premises where firearms, rifles and shotguns are sold, unless the minor is accompanied by a parent or guardian."

So gun shops are like pornographic video stores now? Oh wait, I forgot, these laws are for the children. :rolleyes:
 
should the semi-auto ban pass alongside this, what makes them think there will be anyone building or selling arms in the state anyway?
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I think that's the point.

Let's just hope all the manufacturers of firearms force this crap to apply to their police, as well. It's for the children, after all.
 
Okay, so I contacted my senator and said the following. Please forgive me, but I kind of jigsawed some of the things I saw on here together because I thought it sounded really good.

The text box wouldent hold enough for me to give any of you credit though... sry...:cuss:

"Dear Ms. Young,

It has come to my attention that there are several bills pending decision in the Senate which would, if passed, be an irreversable blow to the firearm community. Specifically these bills are:
A-76A: Mandatory firearms storage. This would essentially prevent citizens the ability to keep loaded firearms for any reason, including personal protection.
A-2772A: Prohibiting the sale of firearms boasting a bore greater than one half of one inch. This would include shotguns which are an essential tool for hunting considering New York already has laws banning the use of rifles for such activities.
A-2868: Prohibiting the posession of "disguised guns". This is such a broad definition that it would be impossible to police.
A-3451: The expansion of the ballistic registry system which, to my knowledge, has wasted twenty eight million taxpayer dollars without a single ballistics related conviction in return.
A-3447: Redefining armor piercing ammunition to include virtually every type of ammunition used for hunting game and achieving a humane kill, and finally (and most definately most disturbingly)
A-7331A: The prohibition of firearms boasting semi-automatic fire capabilities and detachable magazines. Not only would this ban approximately twenty million firearms, but it would also be extremely counterproductive as now the criminal element would technically be restricted to revolvers and other non-ejecting actions, leaving no trace behind for any detective to scrutinize when a crime occurs.
Please Ms. Young, do not let this attack on the Second Amendment continue any longer.
Thank you for your time.
~Jeffrey L. Ohliger"
 
Are present gun owners grandfathered in, or does it now mean that if we already have semi-autos that we will be expected to surrender them?
 
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