Retalliation after HD event?

[blackcash88]

To clarify my above post, it should be read as:
"illegal immigrants who bring violence"
NOT "immigrants, who bring violence"

Doesn't matter whether they're here illegally or not. You bring that crap here, you'd better be prepared for the consequences. And I'm not talking about our legal system that will set you free time and time again to perpetuate your filthy garbage. I don't give a rat's ass where you came from or how you got here.

Viva Joe Horn!

 

[rrruuunnn]

now, i feel even better about buying three revovlers, and a shotgun.

this has been one of the most important threads for me. i used to go to my stores at night to install cameras and fix the store. now, i am worried about retaliation for a self defense scenario. it's always come to mind. but i never heard of a story until now.

just recently, i was watching real tv, a customer was somehow offended by a cool and calm cop who walked away and sat in his car until he saw the hoodlum approach with a gun. the cop was forced to shoot back.

 

[FCFC]

As others have said, it is extremely difficult to prevent retaliation for a HD if one is living in da hood. In some (probably many) it is impossible to prevent it.

This thread reminds me of those kind of no win situations. The system of law enforcement simply cannot and will not help people in this dilemma.

I don't think there is a good solution for the average schmoe who simply defends his home in the hood from, say, local gang-bangers. The balance of power is too skewed.

The only thing I can think of to do if the situation comes up is to be decisive: either prepare to re-defend or split quickly. Especially if a family is involved. It's a totally unfair choice either way.

 

[Sheldon J]

Have a friend that used deadly force on a BG that broke into their family gun shop, which was part of their home.
That was 35 years ago and they still get an occasional death threat from one of the nut jobs family members.

 

[Browning]

9 or 10 years ago I had a shooting incident where I had to defend myself against a couple of gang bangers who were stealing our car when I went out and stopped them.

There was some promised retaliation and alot of threats made by the gang these guys belonged to so I stayed up nights on the second floor by our balcony that overlooked the street that our townhouse was on. I dragged my book case that was filled with books over in front of the window (as I figured all those hardback books might stop a handgun round) and I sat there with an semi-auto .12 Ga. shotgun and an AK with a 75 round drum (my back drop was a concrete block wall with an auto body business behind it, so I didn't care about over penetration), in the evening and early morning hours just waiting for them to come back to do a drive by (their standard tactic of choice from what the cops said).

It took three or four sleepless nights of sitting there waiting for them before I said to hell with it and we broke our lease and moved out. The move cost us quite a bit and we didn't get our deposit from the townhouse back, but I just didn't want anything to happen to my family so I figured that it was worth it. We heard from our landlord a week or two later and they said that the town house had a couple of bullet holes in it.

I don't know what we would have done if we owned the house, that would have made it alot more difficult to move.

 

[Scott Skawronska]

Possible retaliation is a great reason to have a replacement for your defense gun. If you have to use it, it is going to be taken away from you until, at a minimum, the case is investigated and cleared - and it might take years if you have to wait until your case is adjudicated. This is a very bad time to be unarmed.

An excellent point that Mas Ayoob addressed quite a few years back: "The Defensive Handgun Battery."

Basically, your carry gun, an exact duplicate of your carry gun (either in the same caliber, or similar, but will fit in the same holster), a BUG, a SBUG, and a "Church Gun."

Four handguns.

Two "carry" guns, identical, one for when they take your primary after a shoot.

Your Backup Gun.

Your Secondary Backup Gun...this is for times when you cannot carry your fullsize, and your backup gun becomes your primary carry and you STILL desire a backup.

Your "Church Gun" -- this is a subcaliber "mousegun" for carrying when you generally don't carry anything else. Like when dressed in your Sunday Best and can't really hide a gun of ANY size using any traditional method of carry.

(Of course, this should all be done in a legal manner.)

If you are contemplating a first gun and only for HD, you should seriously look into a plain-jane 12ga shotgun like a Remington or Mossberg. Easier weapon to learn to use compared to pistols.

I disagree. If only planning on having one gun to do everything, make it a handgun. I learned this firsthand.

1) A Shotgun, while devastating, is more for shooting than room clearing or fighting. The idea of using a shotgun as a bludgeon occured to me as a really bad idea when I realized that if I buttstroked the individual and either missed, or he got his hands on it, the muzzle was pointed directly at my face. Not good.

2) A shotgun is a two handed weapon. That means that you are MARRIED to it in any confrontational situation. You cannot put it down safely, which means now you cannot open doors safely, carry a flashlight or cell phone safely, or utilize weapon retention tactics safely other than "hang on and pull the trigger." Not a fun place to be in a no-backup-available dynamic situation where people can get dead.


My own personal experience has led me towards keeping the shotgun in the safe and a large bore handgun being my primary HD firearm, so that I have a hand free to do everything else, including straight-arm the bad guy so he can't get his grubby paws on my gun.

The shotgun, once deployed, just takes away too many options you may need as an armed homeowner.

This is, of course, just my opinion.

The Police do not seem to do that in Florida, self defense, Castle Doctrine kind of thing.

It greatly depends. While I have yet to have my gun taken after a shoot, I also didn't hit anyone, either.

There are books on the subject, some by Ayoob comes to mind, get one.

You read 'em too, huh?

I don't know what we would have done if we owned the house, that would have made it alot more difficult to move.

I don't want to move from my house. I have some ideas as to how I might handle a threatened retaliation, but I don't think it's wise to share them on an open forum.

It's a tough situation to be in.

S

 

[surfinguru]

Thanks for the many informative replies everyone. Well, I'm taking a four hour safety class tomorrow and will pose this question to the instructor to get his take on things as well.

As it turns out, we had a little "incident" last night. Our backyard backs up to a catch basin and the other side of the house faces a fairly busy two lane street with a bus stop right next to the house. About 10:30 or so, there's a bunch of yelling and what sounds like a banging on a car window. I head out to the backyard to get a better assessment on what's going on as most people are just walking by and this was out of the ordinary.

Well, turns out there's three guys banging on one of the parked cars yelling and dropping eff-bomb after eff-bomb. I end up hearing three distinct voices and it's clear the situation isn't on the up and up. Call 9-1-1 and ask for a cruiser to check things out. Headed back out (at a safe distance of course!) to keep an ear on what' s going -mostly to make sure nobody comes over the fence.

That's when I hear them start talking about how good the "stuff" was and quite a few strikes of a lighter. Definitely wasn't a ciggy, didn't smell like pot, so I have to guess they're smoking something more undesirable. One guy says he's on "look out" and the other guy is an "OG" and a bunch of other non-sense. Sounds like they're now between our fence and the catch basin fence. Another call to 9-1-1 to provide the additional info.

LE showed up within 3-5 minutes and question the guys. Turns out one guy was on parole and I couldn't make out the rest. Bottom line is the LE sent them on their way, so maybe I was just paranoid in what was transpiring or the guys in question did a good job of tossing their wares and being compliant to the responding LEO's.

I initially thought of telling the guys to move on myself before calling LE, but since I still don't have any firearms in the house, I thought of this thread and came to the conclusion that it'd be prudent to just call LE and keep the baseball bat handy.

Needless to say the wife is 100% on board for getting a handgun now. Just gotta scrape the cash together now...