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If you are considering a S&W but liking the Taurus/Rossi price why not go with a Ruger?

Rugers are well made, not as "nice" as a Smith & Wesson, but perceived by many to be the "workhorse" of revolvers and "reasonably" priced compared to the new S&W's.

I carry two S&W's daily but I just picked up a Ruger and will start carrying that along with one of my Smiths, does that tell you anything?

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While I agree that the Ruger GP100 makes sense there is another alternative. That's what the links area about.

There are good reasons to go with Taurus. That's what the links area about.
Rossi makes the 971 and Taurus has the 65,66 and Tracker series for consideration.
Since what I was going to say is somewhere in the links I will let them do the"talking".
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That should cover it.
 
Taurus and Rossi use softer metals and less hand fitting of critical parts. Also, S&W has a "Lifetime Warranty" and their customer service is "top notch" IMHO.

Total BS. Rossis and Tauri are just as good METAL. Might have been true 25 years ago, but not now. Frankly, I have a 25 year old Rossi that's impressive compared to the M88 I bought in the early 90s. The finishing steps get passed up on the Rossis from the ones I've owned, a few of 'em had some tool marks here and there like under the hammer where my M88 was pretty rough. But, Taurus, I can't tell the difference in it an my old M19 other than I like the design better on th eTaurus. The trigger is slick, it's more accurate, it doesn't have that stupid flat spot at the bottom of the forcing cone that cracked on my M10. It's just as high quaility as any Smith or Ruger I've ever owned, though I tend to love the Ruger's side plateless, very strong design and simplicity of disassembly compared to the Taurus.

I'll put my Taurus 4" 66 against any Smith as a shooter. Rossis, well, they work on a budget, but you get less gun in fit and finish and the DA trigger is usually a little rough, but they work and I've never worn one out. I put probably 15K rounds mixed .38/.357 through my old M971 and it was still tight as a drum when I traded it in a partial trade for a .45 Colt Blackhawk which I do like better. :D. I made a good deal and traded up.

Taurus and Rossi has the lifetime no bones warranty, but from what i've heard about customer service, be prepared to wait a while. Smith and Wesson has 'em there. It's due to the corporate arrangement at Taurus as I understand it. Some don't complain, some whine like five year olds when their gun is gone over 2 weeks. I have not had the occasion to use it, though.
 
McGunner, I included that answer in the links though it was JR47 over at TFL who dealt with that one way back.Actually he dealt with all the usual tripe put out by others and refuted it all. So have members here and at TFL.
You're right. The claim of softer metal is a downright fabrication.If this guy had read the links from TFL he'd know that was untrue and why.

Sad to say this has to expected. Reminds me of liberals. Tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth.
Having older model 65,66,85CH and the newer 94, there is no soft steel anywhere in the mix. Never has been.
There is no pot metal. Nor is there zinc or brass thrown in anywhere.

All these revlovers have had many thousand rounds of .357 magnum,38 Specials, or in the 94's case.22lrf through all of them. Action is tight, no end play,timing is good. Dureability has been a byword in their use.
 
The Ruger Security and Speed Six would be my first choice and then maybe a GP-100 or better yet any good new or used Smith & Wesson K L or N frame such as any S&W model 13 65 66 581 681 586 686 27 28 etc.
Many good deals can be found on older Colts & S&W's as many people and departments sold them off or traded them in for the latest semi auto.
I have owned a few Taurus revolvers none were ever better than a good Ruger Colt or Smith & Wesson other than being cheaper to buy, If its all you have or can afford that is one thing but I would rather sell or go without a TV or some other such luxury to get a top quality firearm.
When you buy the best you only spend your money once and seldom if ever regret spending the difference as time goes by.
Notice allot of people say as good as the best brands never better than them?
You can find many bargains at gun shows pawn shops in local papers and through Shotgun News and The Gun List as well as once in a while on www.gunbroker.com www.auctionarms.com www.gunsamerica.com that or post an add at your local shooting range also it often pays to ask around.
Best of luck.;)
 
Actually a Ruger or S&W used to have to be taken into account. These all can give good service. Just scrutuinize the used revolvers closely. Most though should be okay.
CDNN, Bud's Gun Shop, and J&G Sales usually have a nice supply of used guns at decent prices.
 
I have nothing negative to say about the quality of Taurus or Rossi - not surprising given as I've never owned one.

But part of why I've never owned a Taurus is their unfortunate tendency to put porting where I can least abide it or apply billboards on large-ish barrels. Very much personal and aesthetic but porting on revolver barrels makes my gums recede - doesn't matter who did it.

It also may simply be where I shop - there appears to be no shortage of nice looking Tauri on the website but my dealer(s) seem bent on stocking the visually offensive ones only.

One other consideration is that pre-lock used S&Ws are not yet commanding ransom rates (at least around here). A used S&W will generally enjoy much better resale value as compared to a new Taurus. This doesn't matter much if you're sure you'll not want to trade it in. Something to consider if you're a little iffy on which you want. Most dealers won't have apoplexy if asked if a used gun can be dry-fired and that's handy to see if the "feel" is right for you.

Personally, I don't give a wet slap about "lifetime warrantees" on handguns if the manufacturer doesn't pick up the freight. A non-FFL gets to ship the beast via some overnight service and the very first time you do that most, if not all, of what you saved in the purchase price is toast.
 
SHOTGUNJOE!! Go by the Bullet Trap on Ave. K and take a look at some of their used guns. I bought a S&W 66-2 in SS for $299+tax. Great shooting gun and they are always having specials. The M66-2 was a buy back from a security service and they had them marked low for a quick sale.
 
Hello SHOTGUNJO,

There is a S&W 66-1 w/ a 4" barrel at bills gun shop next to Alpine gun range in Everman as of 10/3/07. The price was marked for $350.00 + tax. The phone # is 817 478-8833 ask for James.

I have 5 Taurus revolvers right now and have nothing but good to say about each one. The only problem i had was with the hammer nose being to long on a model 82 .38 special that caused some missfires. It took about 30 minutes to correct.

My model 94 Taurus 3" .22 is accurate enough that i can shoot the flame off of a candle at 25'. I know because i have done this. I also shot the candle to peices trying. Both of my model 85 snubbies provide good accuracy also.

Personaly if i get a chance to own a S&W i will pick them because of the resale. I have no complaints about MIM parts like some other folks. Ruger has been using cast parts for a long time with little complaint. I worked in my fathers machine shop from age 10 to about age 25 and most of our parts to be machined were cast and were very tough. I still see parts that we made every once in a while on older cars. Sort of a hoot.

Hope this is helpful to you, Thomas.
 
Personaly if i get a chance to own a S&W i will pick them because of the resale. I have no complaints about MIM parts like some other folks. Ruger has been using cast parts for a long time with little complaint.

The way I understand it, there is a vast difference in MIM process and the investment casting that Ruger does. I don't buy into that MIM parts are inferior structurally, though. Here, we agree. But, what I have read here from smiths, pro or accomlished amateur, is that the MIM stuff doesn't polish up as slick as a forged part and, thus, a custom action job isn't what it was on a forged gun. I have a friend with a slicked up N frame 6" M29 .44 magnum. He picked this thing up at an estate sale for $300...:banghead:. It has a magnaported barrel and the absolute slickest trigger I've every pulled. Who ever did the work KNEW what he was doing. And, from what I've been told, you won't find that sort of thing on an MIM gun because the metal will just not work as smooth. That's the one criticism I can buy about MIM stuff.

I mean, you'd think with all the complaining, someone would offer new aftermarket forged parts for custom builds. Well, I guess gunsmiths could tap older parts supplies for some of the models. But, I doubt that out of the box, you could tell the difference in trigger quality from old school to modern MIM.

And, then, there's the LOCK......:what:
 
Wow cpirtle what an offer you have extended. I find not always, but alot of times, the people putting down Taurus don't own them or in some cases have never even fired them and just go with the crowd in hating them. Like I said we have 6 between us and have never had one problem. I can't say anything about the customer service because I never have and hopefully never will need it.
 
Hello McGunner,

I don't know how much differance there is between molten metal poured into a ceramic mold or metal forced into a mold there is but i do not think it makes a lot of differance for the end product. I have polished up several triggers on Rugers and changed springs on S&W 's for a little better pull and release but have not worked any on the MIM parts.

I do have a new S&W 629 with the MIM parts and can say i have no desire to so much as remove the grip. There is no reason to work on this guns action. It is as smooth as my P&R 57 made in the 1980's. I don't know what i could do to make it noticeably better. As far as the lock goes it is an abberation i just ignore and hope it will go away someday.

I shot this gun a week ago with lasercast 240 lead bullets loaded over 6 grains of Red dot powder and put the first round about an inch high and the next 11 rounds all touching. It would not group like this with lead bullets when i first bought it. The throats were too tight at .429. I opened the throats to .431 and it shoots lead and jacketed bullets great. It realy likes magtech 240 gr soft points that measure .430 to .4305 inch. The range was 18 yards. These bullets also shoot well in micro grooved Marlin 1894's.

If anyone has a better understanding of the MIM process i would love to read it. Thomas.
 
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