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Jim Chaput
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The 10/22 profile was copied from the 30 Carbine and shares it's virtues- handy to carry and shoot and utterly reliable. If it came with the 30 Carbine sights it would be about the perfect plinker. If I tinker with mine it's even reasonably accurate.
sappyg
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Nice rifle with few faults of note really. I have 3 10/22's. 2 of them have all stock parts (except for the home made buffer) and 0 marlin 60's. All have been tinkered with but that is only to make the rifle more user friendly for me.
There are lots of good 22 rifles but its my favorite 22 for so many reasons:
Cheap, reliable, common, and accurate
There are lots of good 22 rifles but its my favorite 22 for so many reasons:
Cheap, reliable, common, and accurate
herrwalther
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My brother gave me his 10/22 just a few weeks ago as an early holiday present. I have yet to fire it as my rifle but have fired it as his plenty of times. He plans on getting the TD model so I got his.
The success of the 10/22 is the modularity. The aftermarket selection of parts for the Ruger is far better than the Marlin 60. So it all depends on what you want. If you want to change out stocks, magazines, and all sorts of internals the 10/22 is your best bet.
The success of the 10/22 is the modularity. The aftermarket selection of parts for the Ruger is far better than the Marlin 60. So it all depends on what you want. If you want to change out stocks, magazines, and all sorts of internals the 10/22 is your best bet.
PJSprog
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My wife (who was then my girlfriend) bought one several years ago. She loves it, and admittedly I like it, too. While I still prefer my Savage MkII bolt rifle, the 10/22 is a pretty good rifle.
Every firearm has its detractors, but it sure seems like just about everyone owns (or has owned) a 10/22.
Every firearm has its detractors, but it sure seems like just about everyone owns (or has owned) a 10/22.
'63 Panhead
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My wife does not shoot a lot. I was tinkering with my 10/22 take down and she saw it. She ended up with it and enjoys it. Today we shot probably 250 rds. Her with the take down, me with my old wood stock 10/22.
JR47
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My first 10/22 was bought in 1972, at Montgomery Wards. That gun is still in service, with many thousands of rounds through it.
Through the years, I've bought several others, as trainers for a growing number of grand-children. NONE of them has ever given me a minutes problem. The original is equipped with a Simmons 4x32 scope. ALL of them use the same magazines, receiver, and, apparently, trigger groups and bolts. The differences seem to revolve around barrel lengths, and stocks. Like the Model 60.
I also own a Marlin Model 60. I have large hands, and the gun feels tiny when I grip it. Just my personal feelings. The 10/22 feels like a gun, not a limb from a young tree.
While I can shoot any of the .22 rifles that I own, the 10/22 just seems to venture out ahead of the others. That includes semi-auto Remingtons, Winchesters, Mossbergs, CZs, and the likes. The closest competitor is a Weatherby Mk XXII, the older one. I don't compare semi-auto rifles with bolt-guns.
If I want tight, tight groups, I can use my Anschutz. However, I built up a 10/22 that shoots withing 1/8" of the Anschutz, for under half the price. What does that tell you about "high grade" .22s?
Through the years, I've bought several others, as trainers for a growing number of grand-children. NONE of them has ever given me a minutes problem. The original is equipped with a Simmons 4x32 scope. ALL of them use the same magazines, receiver, and, apparently, trigger groups and bolts. The differences seem to revolve around barrel lengths, and stocks. Like the Model 60.
I also own a Marlin Model 60. I have large hands, and the gun feels tiny when I grip it. Just my personal feelings. The 10/22 feels like a gun, not a limb from a young tree.
While I can shoot any of the .22 rifles that I own, the 10/22 just seems to venture out ahead of the others. That includes semi-auto Remingtons, Winchesters, Mossbergs, CZs, and the likes. The closest competitor is a Weatherby Mk XXII, the older one. I don't compare semi-auto rifles with bolt-guns.
If I want tight, tight groups, I can use my Anschutz. However, I built up a 10/22 that shoots withing 1/8" of the Anschutz, for under half the price. What does that tell you about "high grade" .22s?
I just had to do this. No offense friend but you went out of your way to say you didn't have a Marlin 60. Then you list these qualities as the reasons you like 10/22's. The thing is the 60 is cheaper, just as reliable if not more, more common and in stock form more accurate. You can certainly make a Ruger more accurate but out of the box I've never seen a 10/22 that was as accurate as a 60 and I've compared brand new models several times. I'm talking me and the person who bought the Rugers swapping rifles to eliminate the role of the shooter's ability and the Marlins won every single time.
That's not always the case I'm sure. Every rifle is different. But I've done those comparisons often enough to know that it's much more common for the Marlin to be more accurate.
The price of a new 60 can be as low as $141 at Walmart. I just saw a post where someone said they bought one at that price which is a sale price. The normal price is right at $160 I believe. Their web site won't come up so I can't check it. That's what Bud's sells them for too. Bud's sells the cheapest 10/22 for $212. Most models are considerably higher with some going more than double that amount.
The stats that get mentioned about which model has sold the most are that the Ruger has sold 5-6 million while the Marlin has sold 11-12 million. For example this web page reports that Ruger has sold 5.7 million of their 10/22's but the article is from 2009. So the total is clearly above 6 million by now. But the Marlin 60 is listed by this web page as being well over 11 million. That article is from 2006 so no doubt that number is higher now. I seriously doubt Ruger has sold 6 million 10/22's in the past 7 years even if they do sell about 6 different rifles under the banner of "10/22". There is only one Model 60. Ruger sells very different rifles and calls them 10/22's including the Takedown, Carbine, Target, Compact, Sporter, and Tactical. A Target model is very different from a Carbine or a Compact. Yes they share certain characteristics but when Marlin sells rifles that share characteristics they give them a different name like the 795. The 60 series only varies in stock type and stainless vs. blued. IMO that means the sales of Rugers is inflated compared to the Marlins because they are selling very different rifles under the same name.
BTW I have a 60 that has over 150,000 rounds through it. That seems pretty reliable to me.
So it seems to me that if you want, "Cheap, reliable, common, and accurate," then it seems a Marlin 60 is the choice. If you want a rifle you can make into a great shooter then you want a Ruger.
Crowcifier666
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Keep on fightin' the good fight....
JR47
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Once again, then Ruger is a modular gun. The exact same receiver, trigger group, bolt, and springs, pins, mag release, magazine, and screws are used with ALL 10/22 models. Barrels and stocks are responsible for the "different models" that you talk about, or the use of stainless.
If you want to be accurate, Marlin has different SKUs for the various stocks, materials, and even scoped models. Your logic is flawed.
Sorry, but I own a stainless Model 60, and an older, blued, Model 60. As noted, they don't feel as well as to fit in my hands. Nor are they as accurate as several of my OEM 10/22 standard models.
For price, Marlin Model 60's, at Bud's, is $164.00 for a blued, birch stock gun. The Laminated Stock, Stainless version is priced at $256.00.
The Ruger 10/22 Synthetic, with a blued finish, lists as $212.00. Bud's has no other standard, birch stocked Rugers, as they are ALL SOLD OUT.
R&R Guns lists the birch carbine gun at $218.30.
While the Marlin 60 CAN be cheaper, it also CANNOT be as easily adapted to a person's shooting style, or needs.
For the person who just wants the cheapest .22 semi-auto around, I agree that the Marlin is probably the best choice.
However, for someone who might want/need a lighter trigger than EITHER gun provides, the Ruger is a hands down winner. Need a stock that lets you scope it? For a left handed person? Again, it's that Ruger.
The 10/22 is much like the AR in the modular aspect. It holds it's ability to be changed into what one wants it to be in good stead. Then, when needs change, it does, too.
I LIKE older .22 rifles, like the 572 and 552 Remington, the Nylon 66, the Winchester Model 190, and the various Mossberg and Marlin semi-autos, like the 99M1, the Model 75, and their ilk. I even own a Model 795 from a decade ago.
My experience, though has been that the Ruger 10/22, through the years, has represented a more durable, accurate, and easy-to-shoot platform.
It's all good. For those with money, I'm sure that the CZ and Anschutz guns fill the same role.
If you want to be accurate, Marlin has different SKUs for the various stocks, materials, and even scoped models. Your logic is flawed.
Sorry, but I own a stainless Model 60, and an older, blued, Model 60. As noted, they don't feel as well as to fit in my hands. Nor are they as accurate as several of my OEM 10/22 standard models.
For price, Marlin Model 60's, at Bud's, is $164.00 for a blued, birch stock gun. The Laminated Stock, Stainless version is priced at $256.00.
The Ruger 10/22 Synthetic, with a blued finish, lists as $212.00. Bud's has no other standard, birch stocked Rugers, as they are ALL SOLD OUT.
R&R Guns lists the birch carbine gun at $218.30.
While the Marlin 60 CAN be cheaper, it also CANNOT be as easily adapted to a person's shooting style, or needs.
For the person who just wants the cheapest .22 semi-auto around, I agree that the Marlin is probably the best choice.
However, for someone who might want/need a lighter trigger than EITHER gun provides, the Ruger is a hands down winner. Need a stock that lets you scope it? For a left handed person? Again, it's that Ruger.
The 10/22 is much like the AR in the modular aspect. It holds it's ability to be changed into what one wants it to be in good stead. Then, when needs change, it does, too.
I LIKE older .22 rifles, like the 572 and 552 Remington, the Nylon 66, the Winchester Model 190, and the various Mossberg and Marlin semi-autos, like the 99M1, the Model 75, and their ilk. I even own a Model 795 from a decade ago.
My experience, though has been that the Ruger 10/22, through the years, has represented a more durable, accurate, and easy-to-shoot platform.
It's all good. For those with money, I'm sure that the CZ and Anschutz guns fill the same role.
dagger dog
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My 1st and only 10-22 was a 1980 K-Mart blue light special, $119.00. Bought a Jap Tasco 4X scope and a Weaver mount and rings, about all I shot out of it was Stingers and the light weight barrel didn't give that great of accuracy, it was my primary squirrel rimfire.
I've had 2 Marlin 60's one rifle and one carbine and they were about in the same boat as the Ruger.
Happened upon a Butler Creek barrel stock combo for the Ruger the 0.920" 'bull" barrel with the Bentz chamber, I think it's a Green Mountain, and the stock did away with the barrel band and was pillar bedded.
That barrel stock combo with a scope upgrade, and a few other things like a buffer, extractor, V block and some trigger work, turned the 10-22 into a 10 round dime size group shooter @ 50 off rest, shooting CCI Green Tag.
You can't get the same stuff for your Marlin 60, and do all the work yourself, to get the same accuracy as the Ruger.
I've had 2 Marlin 60's one rifle and one carbine and they were about in the same boat as the Ruger.
Happened upon a Butler Creek barrel stock combo for the Ruger the 0.920" 'bull" barrel with the Bentz chamber, I think it's a Green Mountain, and the stock did away with the barrel band and was pillar bedded.
That barrel stock combo with a scope upgrade, and a few other things like a buffer, extractor, V block and some trigger work, turned the 10-22 into a 10 round dime size group shooter @ 50 off rest, shooting CCI Green Tag.
You can't get the same stuff for your Marlin 60, and do all the work yourself, to get the same accuracy as the Ruger.
danez71
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Whoa... the numbers are mind boggling.
I think what I just learned is that because Micky D's sell more cheese burgers at 59 cents than any other burger joint sells their cheese burgers at 69 cents, Micky D therefore has the best cheese burgers "out of the wrapper".
I'm glad that's clear up.
I think what I just learned is that because Micky D's sell more cheese burgers at 59 cents than any other burger joint sells their cheese burgers at 69 cents, Micky D therefore has the best cheese burgers "out of the wrapper".
I'm glad that's clear up.
32_d3gr33s
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This is my 10/22 i just got done with...
Yeah having a different color barrel is the same as having a rifle with a heavy barrel compared to a sporter barrel. Yeah "my" logic is flawed. I actually thought some people might want to hear the truth. And how rifles feel for "you" is hardly a standard for the rest of the world. I have an older blued model 60 and a new stainless 60SS. BTW I paid $175 for the 60SS. Marlin raised the price because people will pay it. There isn't a bit of difference between it and the older blued version when it comes to operation. Yes the barrel is shorter because people liked the look of the tube matching the length of the barrel. But all 60's changed, not just a distinct model. And that baloney about the range master looking at you funny for loading a 60 just means you have a goofy range master.
Ruger people are so set in their ways they have no idea that a whole lot of people think they are extremists about their rifles. I'm not a Ruger hater. I have a Ruger and I'd like to have several others including a 10/22 if I could afford to build one to be accurate. But I will tell you that I've seen polls of the most overrated guns and the 10/22 was #1 on that list. Too many people think they are the greatest rifles ever made. They aren't. Not even close. Neither is a Marlin but at least I know it. I also know that when people (you) start saying they're better than CZ's we're getting deep in the "overrated" zone.
I can tell you the group sizes I shot with my new Marlin 60SSW compared to my friends new 10/22 Sporter but it would fall on deaf ears I'm sure. So you keep your magnificent Ruger while I keep my tree branch Marlin and I'll keep on shooting .38" groups at 90 yards and killing squirrels with a bullet right behind it's ear from 50 yards. I've certainly seen Rugers that could shoot that way but they weren't stock.
Mainly if I see some outrageous claims about Rugers being made I will probably toss in my 2 cents. And declaring a Ruger is better than a CZ is one of those things that is hard to swallow. It's VERY hard to swallow. If you're going to make comments like that expect others to counter your claims.
'63 Panhead
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I hope this thread isn't becoming a "mine is better than yours" idea. I can appreciate everyone's passion. I respect all things that go bang however I like some more than others. Today we are picking up a new Ruger American rimfire. I can't wait. I love bolt guns, my wife enjoys the semi autos. I will still shoot my 10/22. By the way I've never shot anything smaller than a 1" group at 75 yards with my old 10/22. I would like to try a CZ, I can't find them here.
ColtPythonElite
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Bud's sells CZs every day and will have one at your favorite dealer in less than a week.
Skylerbone
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No disrespect to either side of the round table (that seems to be squaring off), but the fight seems a bit pointless in view of the original question. Who owns one? I do, a TD at that.
Some 20 years ago I plopped down $189.97 for a birch/SS variant as a birthday gift for my father after finally plinking with a friend's. I thought it was a hoot to shoot cans at 100 yds with open sights and figured dad would too. He was overwhelmed at my gift and decidedly underwhelmed by the rifle so parts were exchanged, accuracy improved and it became a lethal squirrel killer. Problem was, it weighed a ton; we literally weighed it and the scale read 2,003 lbs. (sue me if my memory is foggy on this point, it was heavy). He sold that Ruger to fund some other squirrel getter sporter and that was that.
Fast forward a few decades and here I sit with a TD. Accuracy being relative, it shoots as well as I need in a squirrel gun, it's fun at the range and its customizable; I even bought one of those handy buffers for it! It can almost hang with my Savage Model 7 at 25 yds., the only other semi rimfire I own, but never best it. Still, the base 10/22 is cheap, $199 everyday price at Scheels this past summer, it is reliable, had mine cycling CCI Quiet with a bit of bolt work, and it is fun as my kids can attest to.
I think the point is that the 10/22 is an everyman's rifle as it does so much of what most folks want a .22 to do. To that end it's simply another choice, nothing more. To the OP, give it a chance and if the shoe fits, run with it.
Some 20 years ago I plopped down $189.97 for a birch/SS variant as a birthday gift for my father after finally plinking with a friend's. I thought it was a hoot to shoot cans at 100 yds with open sights and figured dad would too. He was overwhelmed at my gift and decidedly underwhelmed by the rifle so parts were exchanged, accuracy improved and it became a lethal squirrel killer. Problem was, it weighed a ton; we literally weighed it and the scale read 2,003 lbs. (sue me if my memory is foggy on this point, it was heavy). He sold that Ruger to fund some other squirrel getter sporter and that was that.
Fast forward a few decades and here I sit with a TD. Accuracy being relative, it shoots as well as I need in a squirrel gun, it's fun at the range and its customizable; I even bought one of those handy buffers for it! It can almost hang with my Savage Model 7 at 25 yds., the only other semi rimfire I own, but never best it. Still, the base 10/22 is cheap, $199 everyday price at Scheels this past summer, it is reliable, had mine cycling CCI Quiet with a bit of bolt work, and it is fun as my kids can attest to.
I think the point is that the 10/22 is an everyman's rifle as it does so much of what most folks want a .22 to do. To that end it's simply another choice, nothing more. To the OP, give it a chance and if the shoe fits, run with it.
Welding Rod
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I do.
I bought it almost 30 years ago. I use it in my club's 22 steel silouette speed matches. I win just about every time. The normally second place guy also shoots a 10/22.
It functions great with Mini Mags. That is really the key when competing with a 22 for time, the thing must be 100% reliable through the whole match or you will likely lose.
I use a Volquartsen hammer (only), that is my only mod to the gun. It results in a pull that is much like the 3 gun AR triggers that are being sold today.... Light, smooth, but with a fair bit of sear engagement or creep.
For optics I use an Aimpoint T-1.
It is the only 22 I own and really the only one I care to own as my 22 interest is really only in shooting fast, offhand, with a reasonable but not extreme level of accuracy.
I bought it almost 30 years ago. I use it in my club's 22 steel silouette speed matches. I win just about every time. The normally second place guy also shoots a 10/22.
It functions great with Mini Mags. That is really the key when competing with a 22 for time, the thing must be 100% reliable through the whole match or you will likely lose.
I use a Volquartsen hammer (only), that is my only mod to the gun. It results in a pull that is much like the 3 gun AR triggers that are being sold today.... Light, smooth, but with a fair bit of sear engagement or creep.
For optics I use an Aimpoint T-1.
It is the only 22 I own and really the only one I care to own as my 22 interest is really only in shooting fast, offhand, with a reasonable but not extreme level of accuracy.
Welding Rod
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BTW, I think the key to the 10/22's popularity has been its box magazine.
ThomasT
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I have 3 at the present time and have owned 3-4 more in the past. Everyone of them with the exception of the last one have been 100% reliable. Never a feed extract or eject issue. Plus they are accurate enough that I can consistantly hit the bottom of a beer can at 50 yards. Most of the time off hand if the gun is scoped.
The last one I bought has the black synthetic stock and stainless steel action. It would leave the empty case in the ejection port at least once in every mag full. I bought a volquartsen extractor from midway and that solved the problem. Actually think the real fix came from the much stronger spring than what the factory was. And I found this gun in a pawn shop for $115 OTD just a couple of years ago.
I have 3 model 60 marlins. I like those too. If I had to pick between the two types for say an extended time in the woods the 10/22 would be my choice. But more than either the marlin or the 10/22 I would take my ruger 77/22. Its my most favored 22 rifle.
The last one I bought has the black synthetic stock and stainless steel action. It would leave the empty case in the ejection port at least once in every mag full. I bought a volquartsen extractor from midway and that solved the problem. Actually think the real fix came from the much stronger spring than what the factory was. And I found this gun in a pawn shop for $115 OTD just a couple of years ago.
I have 3 model 60 marlins. I like those too. If I had to pick between the two types for say an extended time in the woods the 10/22 would be my choice. But more than either the marlin or the 10/22 I would take my ruger 77/22. Its my most favored 22 rifle.
gamestalker
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I have one and think it's great. I also have several other versions of 10/22's, great stuff I think.
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I think some might have missed that I said I would like to own a 10/22. There's nothing wrong with them. I just think it's a bit over the top to say they're better than CZ's not to mention old Remingtons. They just aren't unless you modify them considerably. They aren't the cheapest, the most reliable or the most accurate out of the box either. I think you'll find that a lot of people believe that.
But have a look at my name. That should tell you where my head is when it comes to rimfire rifles. BTW the person I responded to also said he would use an Anschutz if he wanted to shoot tiny groups. Well the 64 series Anschutz models are barely better than CZ's if at all.
There are other semi-auto rimfires that are better than Rugers too. Thompson/Center made them for years. Of course Smith & Wesson bought that company and now makes rimfires based on the T/C models.
I don't hate Ruger. I own one. I can think of several more I'd like to own. I've been trying to buy a Mk II pistol for years. They are hard to find these days and the Mk III's just aren't as good IMO.
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