Seattle's Mayor Nickels Defends Gun Ban on City Property

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...per our Constitution and system of government the burden is always on those seeking to restrict a right to prove that the restriction will make things quantifiably better (safer).

I couldn't of said it better. That IS the point.

Many, many years ago I was a liberal non gun-owner who considered that perhaps we needed more gun restrictions to make us safer.

Well...we tried that approach over the last 40 years. Not only did it not make us safer - it seems to have made us less safe wherever it was tried, while eroding our rights.

It's been tried, it has failed, and it's time people of good conscience and common sense look at the data and come to the inescable conclusion: gun control is a dead idea.
 
Ya know, I went to Folklife, saw the big signs, and ignored them....Fortunately the SP101 didn't jump out and shoot anyone on its own...

Don't ya wish Mayor Numbskull would think this hard about getting snow off the streets in the winter?
 
The Mayor is an idiot. But, he's an idiot with an agenda, and he wants to be emporer.

Hopefully, the challenger will be able to oust this goofball.

But some of you have brought up great points about how the burden of proof lies with those trying to do the restricting.

I can't stand this state. I want out. But I gotta stay for a while longer for the job.
 
Here he goes again. He's been ousted in the primary in favor of "anybody else" - and he can't stand it.

These people believe THEY own the city. Fortunatley they should be gone before they can push this through.



Nickels: Ban guns in places where kids go
Critics say Seattle mayor's move won't stand up in court


Friday, September 18, 2009
Last updated 4:42 p.m. PT

By CHRIS GRYGIEL
SEATTLEPI.COM STAFF

Mayor Greg Nickels on Friday proposed a rule to ban guns in more than 500 Parks and Recreations Department facilities across Seattle where children and youth go - places like sports fields, playgrounds and swimming pools.

"These are the places where our children and families gather and it is common sense that community centers, playgrounds and swimming pools are safer without guns," Nickels said in a statement.

Signs would be posted that say firearms are prohibited as a condition of entry into the facilities.

Nickels' announcement is his latest attempt to ban firearms from city property. The mayor began efforts after a man shot and injured three people at the 2008 Folklife Festival at Seattle Center.

But an opinion issued late last year by Attorney General Rob McKenna's office said cities lack the authority to ban guns because local laws would conflict with state regulations.

Friday afternoon McKenna's spokesman said Nickels' latest plan still runs afoul of state law.


"Mayor Nickels is welcome to request legislation to change state law, but current state law preempts a city's authority to pass local laws prohibiting the firearms possession on city property or in city-owned facilities," said Janelle Guthrie.

Alan Gottlieb, vice president of the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation, said by law Nickels can't ban firearms from parks.

"This is probably his last blast against gun owners on his way out the door," Gottlieb said of Nickels, who was defeated in the August primary. "I don't think it's going to stick."

Gottlieb said his organization may go to court to stop any gun ban, but might also wait to see what happens when Nickels leaves office in January.


Alex Fryer, Nickels' spokesman, said as a property owner the city is allowed to impose conditions on people using its facilities.


"We believe the firearm safety rule is consistent with that," Fryer said. "We are confident of our proposal and we are geared up if a legal challenge were to occur."

If the mayor's plan is adopted Parks workers would ask people with guns to leave those designated areas. If they say no, they could be cited or arrested for trespassing, the mayor's office said.

Locations covered by the proposed rule include: 26 community centers; four environmental learning centers; 10 pools; 30 wading pools and water play areas; 139 playgrounds and play areas and 213 ballfields.

The city will take public comment on the proposed rule over the next two weeks. People can submit comments by Oct. 4, 2009, at www.seattle.gov/firearmsrule or send comments to: Seattle Parks and Recreation Department, 100 Dexter Ave. N., Seattle, WA 98103.

Chris Grygiel can be reached at 206-448-8363 or [email protected].

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I think I have some comments for them.
 
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It's been tried, it has failed, and it's time people of good conscience and common sense look at the data and come to the inescable conclusion: gun control is a dead idea.

Who cares what the data says, the 2nd Amendment should usurp all of these agendas IMO. But, admittedly, I'm kind of an idealist on that topic.
 
A lame duck beating a dead horse?

Beautiful!

That image would make a great political cartoon. I will be talking to Pulitzer Prize-winning editorial cartoonist David Horsey tonight at my 40th high school reunion. Unfortunately, he is probably on the wrong side of this issue. I may suggest it anyway and see what happens.
 
Tell him if he uses it I want an autographed copy of the original.

If I can steer the conversation that way, I'll tell him. However, I'm sure you can imagine the "fun" of having a debate on gun issues in a room full of (mostly) Seattle-type liberals.
 
Don't have a debate, have a conversation. Explain the law, the history of Nickels' other attempts and the likely outcome of this one.

A properly designed cartoon should be able to express the concept of "futile action by outgoing Mayor" without necessarily implying agreement or disagreement with that action.

Challenge the artist to do just that.
 
yett another example of politicians with ZERO!! common sense ....... I am not shocked by this at all but I did enjoy your response too the ignorance faced up there !!!!
 
Why do you tolerate this nutcase?

I have lived in a number of places, but I read about Washington, about DC, and about Chicago all the time. Yet, there rarely if ever seems to be any news about grassroots groups opposing these nutcases and working to get them out of office.

Sarah Palin was effectively run out of office by ethics complaints. Dailey? He should have been extracted from office a LONG time ago, recall elections, ethics complaints, lawsuits, protests, writings flooding the newspapers, telephone calls by the hundreds of thousands, personal lawsuits, there are too many avenues to persue and peruse for this crazy man to be left where he is.

Just my opinion.
Matthew
 
That's the point of my calling Nickels a "lame duck"- he lost the primary and is just waiting out the rest of his term, and apparently trying to cause as much trouble as he can before he has to go find another job.
 
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