Maybe you wouldn't. One of my co-workers took a 10 point whitetail last year with a 55 grain Nosler ballistic tip .223. He's a retired police officer who was hunting with his personal AR-15 because he was still on recoil restriction months after open heart surgery. The .223 ballistic tip round entered the chest, and literally vaporized the heart and lungs. There was no exit wound, but a massive puddle of blood came out of the entrance wound. The deer walked about ten yards, then laid down, and died.You wouldnt hunt a deer with a 223, but a slug has no problems with quick and efficient death.
The police departments probably adopted 5.56 for its greater potential penetration
Police departments are not using M193 or M855 ball; or the Hornady DOE penetrator load in their AR-15s. They're using rounds like Hornady TAP, loaded with SST (Hornady's version of the ballistic tip) to minimize overpenetration in urban environments (yes, even compared to buckshot from a shotgun).I thought PD's are moving to 5.56 for a combination of range and penetration of body armor.
Here in reality, where the laws of physics are still very much at work, you get very little energy transfer when the round passes through the target. It keeps flying with most of its energy retained.Do you honestly think 5.56 Nato does more damage more quickly than a 12 gauge slug or OO buckshot? Thats ridiculous. The slug would put a huge hole through someone and thats not even considering possible expansion, aswell as the tremendous kinetic energy that would be transfered.
Do you honestly think 5.56 Nato does more damage more quickly than a 12 gauge slug or OO buckshot? Thats ridiculous. The slug would put a huge hole through someone and thats not even considering possible expansion, aswell as the tremendous kinetic energy that would be transfered.
After all is said and done, the rifle seems to be more of a precision based weapon, with the shotgun being more of a "point and shoot" weapon. For me at least, the "point and shoot" characteristic is more suitable for HD.
All other things being equal is the key, because they're not equal. You're not taking into account permanent wound cavitation caused by hydrostatic shock.Bigger hole= more damage
more wounds=more damage than less wounds
All other things being equal.
Ballistic tip ammo is not frangible. The lack of mass is made up for by driving that mass at so high a velocity that it has enough energy to create a permanent wound channel by way of hydrostatic shock. Buckshot doesn't do so well in this area. Slugs do it, but they're very likely to pass through the target, which causes a liability issue. You can also get saboted ballistic tip slugs, but you need a rifled shotgun bbl with rifle sights or an optic to effectively use them. You end up with a a heavy recoiling 60 caliber rifle, which takes away any advantage to using a shotgun. You might as well use a 45-70 lever action in that case.Of course there is 5.56 frangible ammunition that can be used, but the .223 bullet is so small it still doesn't make up for the difference in mass.
No, the AR-15 isn't perfect. However, the 5.56 NATO round in ballistic tip loadings offers an incredible amount of wounding capability with comparatively low overpenetration potential. Feel free to live in your fantasy where hydrostatic shock from rifle rounds isn't a wounding mechanism though.I can't believe I am even having this conversation, some people just want to believe that the AR-15 and everything that comes with it is perfect, with such people there can be no debate. Go ahead live in your fantasy.
There's the beauty of no and low magnification red dot sights. It's amazing how quickly you can acquire a target with one on any long gun (rifle or shotgun).After all is said and done, the rifle seems to be more of a precision based weapon, with the shotgun being more of a "point and shoot" weapon. For me at least, if absolutely nothing else, the "point and shoot" nature of the SG makes it much more suitable for HD.
There's the beauty of no and low magnification red dot sights. It's amazing how quickly you can acquire a target with one on any long gun (rifle or shotgun).
I can be reassured that if I cannot afford a rifle, the a pump shotgun will be a good choice for HD.
Do you honestly think 5.56 Nato does more damage more quickly than a 12 gauge slug or OO buckshot? Thats ridiculous
No I don't think it does, I know it does. I have witnessed it, multiple times. It's that real life thingy going on, once again real life blows all those myths and unsubstantiated opinions to hell.
And if you are using slugs inside, why are you using a shotgun to simulate a rifle in the first place, almost all disadvantages, and very few advantages.
the carbine can be reloaded much more quickly than the shotgun;
I know it does. I have witnessed it, multiple times. It's that real life thingy going on,
To me, though, I prefer the shotgun (pump shotgun anyway) because of its inherent reliability vs. say, a semi-auto rifle.