Should I get a BHP or a CZ-75

[rellascout]

Yes, I do have a bias against a $800 plus pistol with a 10lb SA trigger, hammer bite, and magazine disconnect right out of the box.

For my money I could have a CZ shadow with a better trigger, better sights, extended mag release, and 19 round magazine.

Dont get me wrong I think the BHP was a revolutionary design, but today I think there are better choices, expecially for $800 or more dollars.

You are entitled to that opinion but I think it is a misinformed one. I habve owned several BHPs over the years. Everything for a Pre-T serious gun to a MKII. I have never come across a 10 lb trigger. I have had a few with some grit which went away after the mag disconnect was removed.

Its your money so if you want a shadow get one but I think you are being disingenuous about the BHP. To me its all about the feel of the gun in "your" hand. The CZ75 B simply does not do it for me. Nothing wrong with the gun besides the camming of the trigger but YMMV.

 

[armchairQB]

Mainly it would be used as a winter carry gun and gun I would shoot at my range handgun fun shoot that goes on twice a month. It would be shot often. I have heard about the issues with the mag safety and the horrendous trigger pull but I think these problems can be trained around.

The CZ seems more utilitarian and more fitting in the modern gun community as was mentioned earlier.

 

[Mizar]

Most of the "issues" of the Hi-Power (magazine disconnect, hammer bite and sharp edges on the safety) can be resolved for half an hour without changing any parts, only with a punch, a file and some cold blue... And this is not a "must do" for most of the owners.
If one does not like the Hi-Power - it is fine with me, but please do not exaggerate on non-existing problems.

Boris

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

Mainly it would be used as a winter carry gun and gun I would shoot at my range handgun fun shoot that goes on twice a month. It would be shot often.

If you are gonna carry it, one of the CZ compacts would probably serve you best.

http://cz-usa.com/products/by-category/compact/

Smaller overall package then the full size BHP and CZ 75, yes still large enough to be excellent range shooters.

Just make sure that if you want "cocked and locked" single action carry to get either the polymer cz p-07 duty or the all steel cz 75 compact as the others have decockers

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

A decent write up comparing the too.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/CZ-75%20or%20BHP.htm

 

[rellascout]

Contrary to what's sometimes said, the CZ is not based on the Hi Power. They may be somewhat similar in appearance, but their internals differ very significantly. The CZ is considerably more complex and difficult to detail strip. If being able to completely disassemble a pistol for cleaning, inspection, or repair is important to you, the Hi Power is probably the better choice.

Nice link to Mr Camps site. It directly contradicts your earlier statement.

The CZ is basically an improved BHP imo.

Your opinion would be wrong as many of us have pointed out.

 

[stevemis]

As someone who has owned several of each, I can say they are both fine handguns and you'd be well served by either or both.

My only recommendation would be, if everything else is equal, go with the one that fits you and points best.

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

Your opinion would be wrong as many of us have pointed out.

Not really I used "improved" in a loose sort of way.

I know the CZ and BHP are different internally, however they look very similar and have the same philosphy of design, that being a all steel, thumb safety, double stack, hammer fired, 9mm pistol.

By the same token I view the XD and M&P as improved glocks.

Even though the are not exactly the same designs, they look very similar and share the same design philophy of striker fired, polymer, double stack handguns.

 

[Mizar]

Philo_Beddoe, it's what's inside that counts in this case. By your logic a Walther P38 and P5 are completely different guns yet the internals on both pistols are almost the same.

Boris

 

[GlockFan]

I love reading posts like this. It does not matter what anyone else thinks. Go and feel both guns. Find someone to loan you one to shoot or rent one. You need to get the one that feels best to YOU!

 

[rellascout]

I love reading posts like this. It does not matter what anyone else thinks. Go and feel both guns. Find someone to loan you one to shoot or rent one. You need to get the one that feels best to YOU!

QFT!!!!

 

[rellascout]

Not really I used "improved" in a loose sort of way.

I know the CZ and BHP are different internally, however they look very similar and have the same philosphy of design, that being a all steel, thumb safety, double stack, hammer fired, 9mm pistol.

By the same token I view the XD and M&P as improved glocks.

Even though the are not exactly the same designs, they look very similar and share the same design philophy of striker fired, polymer, double stack handguns.

Explains perfectly why you are making the inaccurate statements you have.

Simply because something looks like something else does not make one a derivative of the other.

 

[rellascout]

Philo_Beddoe, it's what's inside that counts in this case. By your logic a Walther P38 and P5 are completely different guns yet the internals on both pistols are almost the same.

Boris

Well put!

 

[HexHead]

To the OP, if money's not an issue as you say, get a 1911 in 9mm. Best trigger of the bunch.

 

[rellascout]

To the OP, if money's not an issue as you say, get a 1911 in 9mm. Best trigger of the bunch.

I prefer the BHP over my S&W 1911 9mm Pro series. Shot them both about 30 minutes ago. THe BHP simply fits "my" hand better.

 

[kentucky_smith]

I've never had a problem with BHP triggers and the worst has always been better than a comparable sig 22x series, SW 1st,2nd and 3rd gen and other autos. I have found several creepy CZ triggers. Neither are deal-breakers.

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

To the OP, if money's not an issue as you say, get a 1911 in 9mm. Best trigger of the bunch.

If you dont mind being limited to 11 rounds.

The SP-01 carries 20

I have big hands so the thick cz grip feels comfortable to me.

In fact my hands are so big the CZ almost look small in my hands.

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

Simply because something looks like something else does not make one a derivative of the other.

But that doesnt mean they dont have the same philosphy of design.

I mean its pretty obvious the XD and M&P were intended to compete with that other polymer, striker fired, no manual safety, double stack, auto.

 

[rellascout]

But that doesnt mean they dont have the same philosphy of design.

I mean its pretty obvious the XD and M&P were intended to compete with that other polymer, striker fired, no manual safety, double stack, auto.

Same design philosophy does not equal a valid connection it terms of design. These two guns took totally different approaches to an all steel 9mm. Only those who do not understand how the guns actually operate think that the 75B is derivative.

Two completely separate designs with complete separate heritages.

 

[armchairQB]

Well I went to buy a HP today. It was glorious. Not a MK3 but an unfired MKII. Parkerized w/ original box. It was marked way too high but I knew they were negotiable. From $850 down to $600 out the door. I dont think it is the best price but it is definitely not the worst either. Filled out the paperwork and...........

GOT DELAYED!!!!!

Well cripes. A few more days....