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I've been looking into commisioning one of these for a long time. If you have one post a picture of it. I'd like to see it to get an idea of what I want mine to look like. What features do you guys reccomend and above all is ordering a ted yost or jason burton 1911 worth it.
 
Personally I would try to find a 70 Series Gold Cup or National Match and start there. Internals I would do myself but if you don't want to go that route I would have an accurizing and trigger package done by Clark. Then it would go off to a suitable engraver or to Turnbull for his charcoal bluing.
 
You have excellent tastes. Heirloom Precision makes some of the best 1911s. I don't know if you're going to get many responses though, your request is pretty specific and I'll be surprised if more than a few dozen people in the entire world own a full house build from Ted Yost or Jason Burton.

I've been looking into commisioning one of these for a long time. If you have one post a picture of it. I'd like to see it to get an idea of what I want mine to look like. What features do you guys reccomend and above all is ordering a ted yost or jason burton 1911 worth it.

Heirloom Precision's forte is building 1911s with classic good looks. Think Colt. Think polished bluing or maybe IonBond DLC. Ask them to use one of their retro rear sights and custom beavertails.

When you call, have a general idea of what you want and then stand back and let them loose. Don't give too many specifics, Heirloom Precision makes guns that transcend being mere tools and are pieces of art. You want to give the maker a certain amount of artistic license.
 
When dealing with a high end custom builder, I think you are really doing yourself a disservice by specifying which features you want on a 1911. I think you would be better off talking with the smith and explaining how you want to use the gun and giving them more latitude. After all, don't you want a gun that is representative of the smith's work/style?


My favorite 1911 smiths build guns that are immediately recognizable as a Christensen (rear sight/grip texture), Chen (front strap texture) or Gray (Beavertail). The top end smiths, as a professional courtesy, will not copy another smith's trademark work.
 
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Not an Heirloom masterpiece but ah heirloom nonetheless.One of my son's will get this when I am gone. It's just a Gold Cup NM. It had a bit of work done to it by the late George Madore. Some of it you can see - the bobbed hammer, the work done on the front strap and the mainspring housing. Some of the work is inside - tightened rails, a hand fitted bushing, oversized links, an FP block reworked so that the grip safety takes the weight, not the trigger, work on the trigger itself - a crisp 3.5 no creep at all. The trigger shoe I added as well as the scratch on the rear - have no idea how that happened. Round count is somewhere around 60,000. Gun is wearing nicely, I think.
There are prettier guns but rarely more accurate. George sent it back with a 10X target ransomed at 50 yards.
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When dealing with a high end custom builder, I think you are really doing yourself a disservice by specifying which features you want on a 1911.

That is a really interesting thought. I hope this is on topic for the OP, because I have been considering something similar. I have a very specific set of wants for my series 80, but now I am thinking of just identifying a few basics + the budget & then see what comes back.

I have an early 90's series 80 enhanced, and it has a number of features I do not like that will be difficult to modify, such as the raised site rib. Just ugly. Should I look for another platform? (Sorry for the near hi-jack; hope it helps the OP)
 
When dealing with a high end custom builder, I think you are really doing yourself a disservice by specifying which features you want on a 1911. I think you would be better off talking with the smith and explaining how you want to use the gun and giving them more latitude. After all, don't you want a gun that is representative of the smith's work/style?

I don't think there's anything wrong with specifying a few features. The smith does need to have a starting point after all. The trick is to tell the smith what you want without telling him what to do.
 
Im glad I started this thread this has been really helpful. Just wondering though are custom made guns worth the money?
 
Just wondering though are custom made guns worth the money?
Only to the person ordering them.

The only custom guns that go up in, or maintain, value are the one's made by Pistolsmithing Legends who have died or who are not longer taking new work.

An example is a Richard Heine 1911...he's still alive...who has stopped taking new work because he has enough to last him until he is pass 70.

There are also some folks who don't want to sit on a five year waiting list just to send their 1911 in, who will pay a premium for one that has just been completed...that is the market that the high end production shops cater to.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with specifying a few features. The smith does need to have a starting point after all. The trick is to tell the smith what you want without telling him what to do.

Yo do need to have an idea of what you'd like to see on the gun you are ordering, but you have to be open minded about his possible recommendations. I've always deferred to whichever internal action parts he was most comfortable working with.

I've had conversations with 1911 smiths who will only work on Colts, not because they are the best platform to build on...but because they already know what they'll have to correct on the gun before they can start their working.

A few things I specified, after saying I was going to carry it, were:
Ball cuts on the slide
Serrated top of slide
Serrated back of slide, extractor and rear sight
Flush cut slide stop pin

I let him surprise me with the:
Sight style (he machined the rear out of a block of steel)
Hammer/Beavertail style
Texture on the grip


Things you'll need to consider:
Solid or skeletonized trigger (which patterned you'd like it skeletonized in)
Flat or arched MSH
Single sided or ambidextrous thumb safety (also width and style)
Extended/Flared magwell (length, welded or pinned)
Flat cut or bevel stock panels
 
Just curious, what about Heirloom led you to them? There are a number of well known smiths I would love to have build for me but at least half their styles don't match my tastes. 9mmepiphany is right, you wouldn't ask Picasso to mimic Leonardo, would you?
 
I think the most important thing is to find a smith whose style you like. If you want a carry pistol, don't choose a guy known for building race guns. If you like the look of Heirloom Precision's guns, then start off with a Colt base as that seems to be their preferred foundation. And let them finish it off with hard chrome, bluing, or IonBond. It'd be a crime to cover up one of their masterpieces with paint.

As 9mmepiphany mentioned, make some suggestions to the smith, but defer to his skill and experience. You want to give him the space to get his creative juices flowing.

Now that that's out of the way, there is also a school of thought that if you're commissioning a custom 1911 you should be able to get it exactly the way you want. The customer wants to pick everything from the base gun, barrel, safeties, sights, to finish and internal components. There is nothing wrong with this and there are plenty of gunsmiths that make 1911s this way. I've been in communication with a smith about commissioning my first custom 1911. I asked him about parts and he said that if I want to get the parts I want ahead of time and drop them off with him he'll be happy to build me a 1911. Said that it saves him the trouble of ordering them or waiting for them to get in stock. I'm going to take him up on that offer, but I will run my exact shopping list by him to make sure that he's okay with the components I select.

That said, if I ever have the funds to order something from Heirloom Precision I would probably just drop off a Colt and a check with instructions to "wow" me.
 
I ordered mine from Pistol Dynamics and Paul Liebenberg. I talked to Paul about a bobbed frame and a light rail. then asked him about sights and he recommended the gold bead frone and black rear (they are just right btw)
but thats about as deep as I got with him.

The internals and the barrel as well as the Browning cuts, fluted barrel, slide top, beavertail and thumb safety I figured that he knows a lot better than I what works. He told me that he likes a medium length trigger because he can get a real nice trigger pull, which he did (3 3/4 lbs every time)

He knows what he does best and I couldn't be happier with it. But don't be afraids to talk with a smith about what you like. :cool:

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Paul Liebenberg Does very distinctive work. Besides the external extractor, you can always tell a Liebenberg beavertail.

Very nice, does your gun have his quick change front sight retained by the barrel bushing?
 
Here's a Delta Elite Ted rescued for me last year. I'd attempted installing a beavertail safety and got carried away with radiusing the top cut and basically dug out about .15" too much material off the top left side of the frame. Since I had a laundry list of others items I wanted done, I asked Ted if I'd be better off finding another frame, or even a completely different Delta before having him put all that work into it. He said something to the effect of "Nah, you'll never be able to tell." That was a bit hard for me to swallow at the time, because I'm pretty darned picky. I manned up and decided I'd take him at his word. (Good call.)

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Even at the closest examination I simply cannot see the seam where the frame was welded up. I couldn't be happier with the results, not only of the repair itself, but the balance of the custom work. The pistol is an absolute joy to shoot.

While not a 1911, here are a few shots of my BHP that Ted finished for me earlier this year. He welded up a beavertail, flat-topped and serrated the slide, stippled the front and back of the grip portion of the frame, installed sights, welded up and modified the thumb safety, and all manner of other goodies. What the pictures won't show is the absolute friggin' magic that Ted works on a BHP trigger. I referred to it as a 12/12 trigger before. About 12 pounds of pull and about 12" of travel. The result is a trigger with almost no take-up, very little travel, and I'll be darned if it doesn't break just about like a nicely tuned 1911. Even though I've had much, much less experience with the BHP in general, I shoot this one better than any of my 1911s.

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I own a couple of other 1911s that Ted has done a little bit of work on. I won't bother with pictures of those, as the mods were all piece-meal stuff and not representative of a true custom build. And, those guns have also seen work from another smith or two along the way. I will say that the work Ted did on those is top-notch.

I've handled and shot a few other pistols Ted has customized, as well a hefty .458 Lott Scout rifle he built for a good friend, as well as wheel gun or two. All absolutely top-notch work.

He should be just about finished with another Browning-designed pistol I sent in when the BHP came back. It's not a 1911 or a BHP, and I can't wait to get her back. When I do, I've got a Commanding Officer I hope he'll tackle for me.

So, is the price of an Heirloom Precision pistol "worth" it?

Only you can answer that question. I'm not a rich man by any means, and for me the answer is absolutely yes.

On a final note, both Jason and Ted are great guys. The "coolest" few hours of my life were spent in their shop hanging out and watching them work a couple of years ago.


-Matt
 
Well, dang, I forgot to post a link that will soak up a few hours of your day. If you're not familiar with Louder Than Words, it's an organization that Ted formed with several other of the top pistolsmiffs, and a few others. They do a full custom build at least every year, and raffle it off to benefit their charitable cause du Jour. These pistols are all shown in various places on the LTW site. Jason also posts very nice and detailed pics of many of the pistols that go through the HP shop to this particular forum there: http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewforum.php?f=6.

There is also an fairly extensive photo gallery of Ted, Jason, and Steve's work on the Heirloom Precision site itself. http://www.heirloomprecision.com/photos/.

Enter at your own risk. :)


-Matt
 
9mmepiphany
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I got the XO model with the active recoil plug. I think the Scout or the full size guns can have the "Tombstone" replaceable front sight. Both are very slick
 
That BHP is one of the nicest I have ever seen. That front sight is the best.
 
That front sight is one of Heirloom Precision's signature touches.

Yep, the gold-wire front sight is definitely one of their things. Both the Delta and BHP have them. They're surprisingly visible, even in fairly low light.


-Matt
 
Caspian with Wilson speed chute, Wilson combat adj. rr. site, Wilson extended mag release, Kart NM barrel and bushing, Nowlin hammer group, STI trigger, and a Barnhart burner grips. It's right next to my STI for accuracy and 100% reliable.

I can't say who built it as he wants to remain anonymous.
 

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