shtf guns need suggestions

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JWarren said:
We all freaking shake our heads when some kid does something stupid and hurts a lot of people. Guys, the kids doing that stuff are only MONTHS older that our OP.


Exactly my point.
No kid is "meant" to turn out like one of the bad examples you speak of.
If you have a chance to tell/show/explain to a 13 year old what is really means to be a man you should. It could make a huge difference to a lot of people.
Up to this point he hasn't done anything wrong yet. All he's done is shot his mouth off on the internet.
With the internet being what it is, that's bad enough.
But it hasn't gotten him in any trouble yet.

If you disregard the language and try to understand the point, he isn't terribly far off the mark on some issues.
We talk about the Founders a lot - what they did was treason at the time and would have gotten them hanged if they had been caught.
They didn't care about "no f'en felony" either.

Lots of people, including many of us, complain about unfair and excessive taxes that don't really seem to benefit our society at all. I know I do. Given the choice, would you still send a chunk of your paycheck to the IRS? I wouldn't. But the ballot box is a better way to get rid of them than the cartridge box (see my above posts about more bullets flying = more people getting hit by them).

I also fear gun confiscation. I can remember the first time I read an American Rifleman in my early teens and how the idea of gun control bothered me so much.
Once again, the ballot box is your friend.

The problems aren't with his opinions. We all still have the right to those.
The problems here are with how he expresses them and the fact that teenagers are kind of prone to just say what comes to mind (I still haven't grown out of that last fault).



My advice to Seth if he show up again:
- Think before you type. Seriously, I'm not trying to be cruel but like I said, stuff like that just draws too much attention.
- Do your own research on our system of government. It could use some improvements but it was built in such a way that we can do that without shooting at each other. If it wasn't it never would have stood for 200 plus years.
- Stop posting about illegal crap. Even if you're just shooting your mouth off you may get way more attention than you originally intended. Fortunately for you, most LEO's aren't as intolerant of you as you are of them. If they were they would be knocking on your front door with 12 gauge breaching rounds right now. LEO's are not your enemy.
- Stop planning to do illegal stuff. It's stupid because you will lose. Even if you are moraly right you will lose. Regardless of what weapons you have, you can't beat a system. Your only hope is to work within that system and make it better. Breaking the law won't accomplish your goals so there is no point in doing it. You want a crash course in guerilla warfare? Only fight the battles you can win - especially in life. Use the ballot box (in 5 years). That can't get you arrested or shot and it's much more quiet than any silencer. And you don't need a Paladin press instruction manual to do it.


Anyway, I'm out of this one too.
 
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depends on the situation:

Marlin lever action gun and Ruger Single-action pistol in same caliber shooting lead.

SKS and/or AR-15 gun and 9mm and/or 45ACP.

22LR of some sort.

If I had the money: a belt-fed weapon of some sort, grenade launcher, flame thrower, ...
 
Could we cease fueling this kid's morbid fantasies with recommendations? I don't mean to sound like I'm an old fart, but I am: thirteen year old kids need to be sweating algebra homework and trying to afford enough Clearasil to have a social life, not envisioning themselves playing powder-actuated firearms king of the hill with alphabet agencies. Enough already.
 
Takhtakaal, that might require them to actually read the thread rather than posting after glancing at the first sentence. Sadly, an issue we have in many, many threads here. Such is the internet, though.


Goon: I don't disagree, but there's only so much you can do over the net if the person isn't in the mood to listen.
At 13, he's likely going to ignore us. After all, it's the internet. Would you rather read some 'old guy's(anyone over 22 or so) rambling speech about being a responsible citizen, or look at pictures of naked girls?
 
Excellent post, Goon.




ForneyRider,

Dude....After four pages of this, and then several posters (including me) asking that we STOP fueling this fantasy, you come in with:


If I had the money: a belt-fed weapon of some sort, grenade launcher, flame thrower, ...

Not really helping.

This is why its a good idea to read the previous posts prior to adding to the thread.



I think I am going to put in a recommendation that we lock this one up tight.

Like Baz, I want to thank everyone who took the time to put in serious and thoughtful responses.


-- John
 
Lock thread! Please. For the children. ;)

I'm all for educating young people. I got a 15 and a 16 year old into USPSA. The 15 year old quit, the dad didn't. Both were exposed. The 16 year old was sponsored, beating me and running with some big league folks. I've also been around for others first firearms experiences. Seth doesn't desire education, nor is it worth it.

I am reading between the lines, giving him the due that he has thought through his scenario. For him SHTF will involve living at the expense of others. He doesn't want those guns to fight the alphabet soup, he wants to get his stuff from someone better off than he. He has expressed zero desire to actually be prepared and little in the way of morality.

Somewhat unrelated tangent. I have a cousin a few years older than I who grew up at as a lost child(like this mess sounds). He went to the BIG house, for a loooong time, for beating up persons of alternate lifestyle. Became a jailhouse muslim. Now is somewhat out and is reported to be ever increasingly radical. If he shows up at my house, I know that it is nowhere near where he has ever seen me before, he's not been given my address, I haven't seen him in 20 years, and his worldview is 180 out from mine. I can assume ill intent and he gets one verbal warning to leave.

With respect to this mess, I see similarities, do you? In SHTF I don't think persons of this anti-social view would be very welcome within range.

I really enjoy this discussion, it'd be great if the OP wasn't in it. Especially cool is the fact that SHTF threads don't make it far here usually because of rampant fantasy. I don't obsess over guns for SHTF but obviously have some. I just believe I'll live to see a day when milk and gas isn't at the store and won't be there tomorrow or the next day... It's awful fun to talk about this stuff with others who have thought it through beyond guns.
 
I like talking about this stuff as much as anyone but this thread is no good.

I had my doubts from the beginning which is why I was silent through 3 pages.

Unfortunately my doubts were legitimate.

Please close this one.
 
I hit the warning icon yesterday about 2 pm my time and sent a terse message to the powers that be.

Nothing happening yet.
 
OK, I'm closing this one due to multiple member requests, till one of the mods here has a chance to review it and decide what to do with it. I have a basic aversion to those four letters (SHTF) anyway, and using them in a thread title in S&T is apt to get a peremptory close right off the bat. But this isn't S&T, and not every mod shares my twisted proclivities.

lpl/nc
 
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