Miroku in Japan has been making guns sold under the Winchester and Browning name for quite a while. They are a first class maker. The following Browning products are made in Japan: Citori, Cynergy, BLR Lightweight, BLR Lightweight '81, A-Bolt II, X-Bolt, BT-99, BL-22 Rifle, Auto-22 Rifle, T-Bolt, BPS (all), and Gold 10 ga.
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Jim Watson
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I thought FBW was long gone.
Has somebody resumed making them or do you have an action stockpiled?
Has somebody resumed making them or do you have an action stockpiled?
eastbank
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Why would anyone want a single shot rifle? Are they that much more accurate? Not that I'm ragging on them, it just seems when there are bolt action, lever action, and semi autos what is the advantage/practicality of an expensive single shot rifle. Just curious!
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Abel
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1. Who needs more than one shot?
2. They look cool.
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pwillie
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Jim: If your interested, I can give you his ph# Leo Fix,and yes he is still putting actions together,Willie.....Weatherbys value dropped like a rock after they started making rifles in Japan..Mercedes Benze is not made in Japan,neither was a Rembrandt,or Van Gogh! The old masters,are from Europe,not Tokyo!I do agree,Japan can copy very well,but are not that great of creators!
Well, it seems pretty silly to sneer at Japanese products, particularly where things like manufacturing tolerances are concerned. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
Why have a single shot? How about:
1) Just to be different? Not everyone wants to be part of the Remington 700 crowd.
2) The notion of "what one needs (e.g. for hunting deer), and not a bit more"?
3) A shorter rifle without the drawbacks of a shorter barrel?
4) A lighter, trimmer gun, easy to carry?
5) No need to limit cartridge length to fit the magazine (some bolt guns force you to seat bullets far from the rifling).
Just think of it as the opposite end of the spectrum from hunting with an H&K MP5.
One mistake it is possible to make, I think, is too large a caliber. I had a Browning Low Wall in .260, which is not normally thought of as a kicker, but with the hard, small buttplate and the low weight, it was actually not that much fun to shoot, so I sold it. I now have the same rifle in a wildcat caliber, 6.5 TCU, which is a lot more fun.
Why have a single shot? How about:
1) Just to be different? Not everyone wants to be part of the Remington 700 crowd.
2) The notion of "what one needs (e.g. for hunting deer), and not a bit more"?
3) A shorter rifle without the drawbacks of a shorter barrel?
4) A lighter, trimmer gun, easy to carry?
5) No need to limit cartridge length to fit the magazine (some bolt guns force you to seat bullets far from the rifling).
Just think of it as the opposite end of the spectrum from hunting with an H&K MP5.
One mistake it is possible to make, I think, is too large a caliber. I had a Browning Low Wall in .260, which is not normally thought of as a kicker, but with the hard, small buttplate and the low weight, it was actually not that much fun to shoot, so I sold it. I now have the same rifle in a wildcat caliber, 6.5 TCU, which is a lot more fun.
BrocLuno
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Seems to me and investment gun and shooter are two different things?
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pwillie
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Not sneering at MFG in Japan,just stating the facts,look at the price of a Browning 3 inch made in Japan,and one made in Belgium! Case closed....European MFG holds its value. If Browning had their High Wall made in Belgium or Europe,the rifle would sell for a much higher dollar.MFG in the USA brings a higher dollar than Japan...all about the value.Why does the Weatherby made in Germany hold its value? Did not say Japan didn't build quality products today,but the old stigma seems to hang on after the war years debacle.I have a friend that I sold an A bolt made in Japan too,many years ago,and he swears by its accuracy????:banghead:
BloodyCactus
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Have you seen/checked out the 97D
http://www.eabco.com/Brown97DRifle.htm
http://www.eabco.com/Brown97DRifle.htm
cluttonfred
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That was one of the more inane and ignorant comments I have heard recently.HOO DO:! "Made in Japan" doesn't appeal to me as an investment....German,and Italian guns keep their value much better.I grew up when Made-in Japan was junk.Austria and most of the European gun makers set the bar in fine rifle making.Japan is having trouble making Toyota's...Arisaki ring a bell?
Without getting into a history lesson, it is a fact that the US authorities openly promoted racist, bigoted attitudes towards the Japanese (and Asians in general) during the war as a method to motivate troops and the folks on the home front. Those attitudes were also a reflection of fundamental racism in American society--there were no internment camps for German-Americans, only for Japanese-Americans. I say Americans--people born in the USA or naturalized as citizens.
In fact, an objective look at Japanese technology of the war, for example aviation, shows that they were on a par with the Allies technologically but simply did not have the industrial capacity to back it up. Imagine a Zero one on one with a Wildcat, which would you rather be flying? "Made in Japan" was a put down in the decades after the war as the Japanese rebuilt a country that bombing and rationing had knocked back almost to the stone age. Those that seize on the Toyota recalls have a short memory for absolute crap that the American carmakers were building in the 70s and 80s, both in terms of quality and complete disregard for fuel economy. Brings to mind the old saying about glass houses....
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pwillie
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OWL Hole: Whats race got to do with gun mfg? All I did was say that Jap guns don't hold value like European mfgs.....You must be Al(Owl) Sharptons nephew! I would like to have a general conversation in the next two years without "race" being brought up! This is a gun forum,and I opened this thread about single shot rifles,not what you ate for breakfast...do you understand?....didn't think so...
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pwillie
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Bloody Catus: I have seen the "Brown" rifles,thats the company I bought the Hicks from.Don't know anything about them as far as the rifles.would like some ones opinion if we can keep race out of the equation..LOL!
Coal Dragger
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Pwillie,
I have no direct experience with the Blaser single shot, but the R-93 is a hell of a nice well made rifle at least the ones I have handled have been.
As for Merkel First Stop Guns in Rapid City, SD carries a few Merkel doubles and shotguns. Beautiful wood and metal work, don't know how they shoot though.
First Stop also carries a lot of Dakota Arms, and they do have or have had several Model 10's on display. From a workmanship standpoint they are very very nice, at least as nice as the Merkel but they seemed to be better balanced and obviously trimmer since I haven't seen a Merkel single shot. The last Model 10 I handled was in .219 Zipper or something like that, so it was this tiny little wand of a rifle. Just gorgeous.
I have no direct experience with the Blaser single shot, but the R-93 is a hell of a nice well made rifle at least the ones I have handled have been.
As for Merkel First Stop Guns in Rapid City, SD carries a few Merkel doubles and shotguns. Beautiful wood and metal work, don't know how they shoot though.
First Stop also carries a lot of Dakota Arms, and they do have or have had several Model 10's on display. From a workmanship standpoint they are very very nice, at least as nice as the Merkel but they seemed to be better balanced and obviously trimmer since I haven't seen a Merkel single shot. The last Model 10 I handled was in .219 Zipper or something like that, so it was this tiny little wand of a rifle. Just gorgeous.
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pwillie
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Thanks for the info Coal Dragger. I will check out your guys...Does Dakota make their own barrels are some one else
Coal Dragger
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Not sure if they make their own barrels or not, probably not. I am not sure who they source them from, the largest local barrel maker is HS Precision in Rapid City and Dakota is in Sturgis, SD so is just about 30 minutes west on I-90. My guess is that they probably buy their barrels from Pac-Nor, Wilson, Lothar Walther, or Douglas. All of which will shoot very well thank you.
Oh if you go to www.firststopguns.com and check out their gun classifieds you can look at what they have for inventory. Lots of Coopers and Dakotas. I bought my Cooper M52 in .280AI from them, and they were great to deal with.
Oh if you go to www.firststopguns.com and check out their gun classifieds you can look at what they have for inventory. Lots of Coopers and Dakotas. I bought my Cooper M52 in .280AI from them, and they were great to deal with.
jcwit
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Just wondering, how are those RG and Rohm revolvers from Germany holding their value?
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pwillie
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The Germans invented the "Mauser98"...the Japanese made the Arisaki!Which would you prefer?
Coal Dragger
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I'll have to agree here. Hauling out examples of some cheaply made post war replica revolver as representative of all German made firearms is intellectually dishonest and disingenuous.
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pwillie
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Coal Dragger: Did First Stop have a R8 Blaser? I was told the new R8's are an upgrade to the '93...I do business with Eurooptics,and he is a Blaser dealer.Good buys on high end glass (Swarovski,Zeiss,etc..)
oneounceload
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The Merkel is an excellent gun, but if your budget allows, look at those from Peter Hofer:
http://www.hoferwaffen.com/hofer_52s.php?id=9&lang=en
or from Phillipp Ollendorf:
http://www.jagdwaffen-ollendorff.com/index.php?node=1&lang=DE
Both make some of the finest guns in the world, including single shots
http://www.hoferwaffen.com/hofer_52s.php?id=9&lang=en
or from Phillipp Ollendorf:
http://www.jagdwaffen-ollendorff.com/index.php?node=1&lang=DE
Both make some of the finest guns in the world, including single shots
oneounceload
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Browning, yes.....Winchester was made by Nikko
Because you shouldn't need more than one shot
No, some people actually like to shoot well-made, nice guns
jcwit
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Well according to Hatchers Notebook the Arisaki was the stronger of the two, and IIRC both were stronger than the Springfield.
No more so than using expensive made firearms from any era as being representative of firearms made in that particular country. This of course hold true for anything manufactured, whether it be cars, scopes, or the computors we're all pecking on.
jcwit
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Many years ago I used to go hunting in Wy. with a gentleman who was in his 60 then 70's, We hunted together for 8 to 10 years if I remember. He carried a Winchester single shot with 1 handloaded cartridge, that was all. We traveled 1,000 miles to get to Sundance and in the years I hunted with him he never failed to being home the meat.
BTW he had no reloading components either.
YUP, one shot was all that was needed.
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