So now that the 2nd is recognized, get ready for rising death tolls...

[XD Fan]

In 2005, the last year with complete data, there were more than 30,000 deaths and 70,000 nonfatal injuries from firearms.3 About one quarter of the nonfatal injuries and a tenth of the deaths were in children and adolescents. To place these numbers in perspective, 10 times as many Americans die each year from firearms as have died in the Iraq war during the past 5 years. Firearm injuries represent a major public health problem that seems certain to be exacerbated with less handgun regulation.

What an apples-to-oranges comparison! Ridiculous! But just to stay in the vein of apples-to-oranges, there are fewer deaths among our soldiers in Iraq because they have firearms with which to defend themselves. I know that is somewhat of a wierd conclusion, but not nearly as bizarre as their comparison.

a careful study4 demonstrated that the 1976 restrictive handgun law in the District of Columbia, which was the focus of the Heller case, resulted in an immediate decline of approximately 25% in homicides and suicides by firearms, but there was no such decline in adjacent areas that did not have restrictive laws.

This is directly opposing to statistics I have seen here on THR several times. Does anyone know where these numbers came from? Also, what are the accurate figures.

 

[romma]

Not to sound cold, but Oh Well, gotta die from something!

Seriously though. Nanny State Protectors think they can sheild us from everything.

 

[bogie]

Hey, if you wanna see your doctor's head 'splode, when he's lecturing you on a "sensible diet" after your next checkup, and he's telling you that "eating fat will make you fat," ask him if it is okay to eat a lot of hard candy. He'll likely tell you no...

Then ask him "Hey, why - sugar is 100% fat free!"

For people who are supposedly educated in how the engines they're working on run, they seem to know surprising little...

Further, those with "MD" after their names all to often view themselves as our superiors. They're not used to being questioned or challenged. To many of them, we are but children.

Ask any professional con artist who their favorite target is - a doctor.

They're so used to people telling them that they're smart, and essentially being treated like deities in their workplace, that when someone starts stroking them in the same way, they're an easy mark - "Sure, doc, you're smart, so this investment plan should make perfect sense to you." I've seen a stock swindle, real estate, investment, and even a plane ticket for a "young lady" to fly here from Russia... Sigh...

 

[spencerhut]

I Work for a Huge Healthcare Companty in the US

We get hammered all the time on patient safety. The last time I got the lecture doctors and hospitals in general were killing about 120,000 people a year purely from medical mistakes. Wrong medicine, removing the wrong organ etc. You know, mistakes, by people not paying attention to what the hell they are doing.

I'd rather walk down a dark alley with my CCW than get admitted to a hospital.

Questioning a doctor is like questioning God Himself. They know everything and are always right. You, being a non doctor are not worthy to express an opinion. Way worse than working with lawyers who think highly of themselves, but not that much.

 

[roger505]

Compare the number of people who die by gun shot with those who die from medical mistakes.
Where do more people die than any other place? A hospital.
Who is normally the last to see them? A Doctor

This is just a doctors opinion, and you know about opinions.

 

[Sistema1927]

If this type of "logic" was correct, then I have to wonder why the blood isn't running to the level of a horse's bridle here in free America where we can wander into a gun store and buy handguns willy-nilly.

 

[AdamSean]

The way I see it, even if all the guns in the entire world were destroyed, people will find the next best thing to maliciously kill others. Look at the 3rd world countries picking up machetes. If someone tries to hurt me or my family, I want my gun.

 

[burningsquirrels]

^^^ my sentiments exactly. no guns? let's go get a big knife or baseball bat. oh no, then we'll have to ban baseball and then our food has to run through a processor because we can't have knives. yay! we're safe!

 

[Solo]

Hey, if you wanna see your doctor's head 'splode, when he's lecturing you on a "sensible diet" after your next checkup, and he's telling you that "eating fat will make you fat," ask him if it is okay to eat a lot of hard candy. He'll likely tell you no...

Then ask him "Hey, why - sugar is 100% fat free!"

Possibly because fat is the body's way of storing uneeded energy, and sugar can be converted into fat?

Seriously, you're making very little sense with that statement up there.

 

[RP88]

well, close to 70% of shootings involve criminals shooting other criminals. Allowing these guys to get guns may cut the criminal population in half for all we know.

The ban won't conclude with less gunshot victims in the ER. What it will conclude is that now there will be a better chance that the person who does end up going to the ER with a gunshot wound is the son of a ----- who deserved to get shot.

 

[rainbowbob]

When none of their predictions come to pass...do you suppose they will publish retractions and apolgies?

 

[goon]

The biggest point I was trying to make is that very little will change as a result of Heller.
Eventually, there will probably be some "real" changes, but in the short term:
- Maybe DC, NYC, Chicago, California, New Jersey and their like will get their hands slapped. We should be so lucky.
- Overall, not much will change in states without restrictive gun laws. You'll still be able to buy your 15 round Glock magazines and semi-automatic AK's in PA, Florida, and Montana, just like you could at this time last year.

Even during the AW ban, high capacity magazines and military style rifles were still readily available - many of us actually got our starts on EBR's during the AW ban. It meant nothing. All it did was make standard capacity magazines cost more in some cases and keep us from having bayonet lugs.

So it all just makes me wonder...
What is really so different today that will lead to all these deaths that are being predicted?
Near as I can tell, not a damn thing.

 

[Halo]

Here, in the "dry" NC county where I live, the small county seat town had a refurendum vote on alcholic beverages. All we could hear or read about were the predictions of drunks on every corner and DUI's along every road 24/7.

Isn't that the truth. I've observed the "liquor by the drink" referendum in a number of small NC towns over the years and the "drys" always pull out the same mantra. It's funny that you mentioned this, because I was also thinking about the similarities among antis in general. It seems that people who are against something tend to be far more emotional and loud than people who are in favor or ambivalent, and this seems to be the case regardless of what the actual issue is.

I know the anti-gun crowd likes to think of itself as more evolved and progressive, but might we dare say that they are, in reality, simple reactionaries?

 

[B yond]

Ph.D. - Paranoid Hypocritical Dumb@$$

Why are people who seem to be so concerned about Average Joe's safety upset that he has the ability to protect himself?

 

[Deanimator]

The way I see it, even if all the guns in the entire world were destroyed, people will find the next best thing to maliciously kill others.

That's a lie!!!

Genghis Khan didn't have a gun and he was a vegan pacifist who just smoked dope and watched "Gilligan's Island" all day. Dennis Kucinich told me so, and he wouldn't lie, would he?

 

[Deanimator]

It's funny that you mentioned this, because I was also thinking about the similarities among antis in general.

One of the funniest things I've ever seen is the confluence of fanatical and irrational pro AND anti beliefs.

Time after time, I've seen British anti-gunners in usenet who promote the usual hysterical anti-gun nonsense in the stupidest, most ill informed ways, who THEN cite the GREAT "freedom" of the UK because the drinking age is lower! They then cap this off by combining the two in their argument that people shouldn't have guns because people who get insane drunk and break into the wrong house might get shot! That actually happened to a Scotsman (in Houston?) in the '90s, who kicked in somebody's door after being warned he'd be shot if he did. The alcoholic, anti-gun Brits simply would not even CONSIDER the very IDEA that their "right" to drink until they lose their minds DOESN'T trump MY right to be secure in my home.

 

[rainbowbob]

I know the anti-gun crowd likes to think of itself as more evolved and progressive...

As do all do-gooders - whether legislating prohibition of guns, drugs, booze, alternative sexual identites, abortion, assisted suicide, etc, etc. (See anything in there that gores your ox?)

Why can't we just leave each other the hell alone to make our own choices?

 

[pappy]

OK, I think I have a handle on their "logic".
Peaches taste good.
Peaches have fuzz.
Tennis balls have fuzz.
Hey! Tennis balls taste good! Who knew??

 

[mike101]

Getting firearms related information from a physician is like getting medical advice from a plumber.

Nuff said.

 

[bmitchell]

^^ Fuzzy logic.